What’s your Big Board?

[Bensational]

We’re less than a month out from the draft and the detailed discussions are getting good, so it’s about time we start this.

What’s your Big Board rankings for this draft? Not the order you think players will be picked, but in 5 years time how do you project these players to be ranked in a redraft?

Feel free to update your board as much as you like up until lottery day. Whatever I end up with I’m going to post in my sig for the fun of it, and to remind myself of who I had ranked where and when.

For me, as of July 1st:

1 - Cade
2 - Tre Mann
3 - Suggs
4 - Giddey
5 - Sengun
6 - Dosunmu
7 - Green
8 - Barnes
9 - Mobley
10 - Jalen Johnson
11 - Thor
12 - Vrenz Bleijenbergh
13 - Wagner
14 - Shariffe Cooper
15 - Kuminga


(Note: I’m aware that I like to underrate consensus top prospects so very open to the likelihood they blow up and blow my board up)

[bigdogdylan5]

1. Cade
2. Mobley
3.Green
4. Suggs
5. Moody
6. Kuminga
7. Barnes
8. Bouknight
9. Zaire Williams
10. Senguin
11. Springer
12. Keon Johnson
13. Mann
14. Trey Murphy

More to come after I look into more players. Also this is very much with Orlando’s roster in mind

[The Real Dalic]

I would give my top 15 but I'm not as well versed in this area as most here. So I'll try my best with the players that I do know.

For me it's:

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Suggs
4. Mobley
5. Bouknight
6. Barnes
7. Moody
8. Kuminga
9. Sengun
10. Giddey
11. Mitchell
12. Johnson

And that's all I really know. I barely even know the last few players. But that's just my opinion on the very minimal research I've done on those players.

[The Real Dalic]

We’re less than a month out from the draft and the detailed discussions are getting good, so it’s about time we start this.

What’s your Big Board rankings for this draft? Not the order you think players will be picked, but in 5 years time how do you project these players to be ranked in a redraft?

Feel free to update your board as much as you like up until lottery day. Whatever I end up with I’m going to post in my sig for the fun of it, and to remind myself of who I had ranked where and when.

For me, as of July 1st:

1 - Cade
2 - Tre Mann
3 - Suggs
4 - Giddey
5 - Sengun
6 - Dosunmu
7 - Green
8 - Barnes
9 - Mobley
10 - Jalen Johnson
11 - Thor
12 - Vrenz Bleijenbergh
13 - Wagner
14 - Shariffe Cooper
15 - Kuminga


(Note: I’m aware that I like to underrate consensus top prospects so very open to the likelihood they blow up and blow my board up)

I really like the fact that you're going with your gut and not just the consensus. Because as well all know, some of the players at the top of everyones lists will likely be worse than some players most have never even heard of yet. That's how it usually goes.

[basketballRob]

1. Cade
2. Mobley
3. Green
4. Suggs
5. Kuminga
6. Barnes
7. Keon
8. Wagner
9. Sengun
10. Moody
11. Giddey
12. Bouknight
13. Mitchell

Sengun is a wildcard, because I could see Toronto or OKC taking him. Plus for some reason I have a feeling Barnes might fall like Haliburton last season.

[D J C]

Superstars
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Jalen Green

All Stars
3. Evan Mobley
4. James Bouknight
5. Jonathan Kuminga

Fringe All Star/Above Average Starter
6. Moses Moody
7. Alperen Sengun
8. Scottie Barnes
9. Jalen Suggs

Glue Role Player / 6MOTY
10A. Franz Wagner
11A. Josh Giddey
12A. Deuce McBride
13A. Chris Duarte

Potential Pick
10B. Jaden Springer
11B. Jalen Johnson
12B. Zaire Williams
13B. Tre Mann

Productive Bench
18. Corey Kispert
19. Trey Murphy III
20. Bones Hyland
21. Usman Garuba
22. Cam Thomas
23. Ayo Dosunmu
24. Quentin Grimes
25. Kai Jones

Want no part of in the first round
Keon Johnson
Davion Mitchell
Josh Christopher
Greg Brown

[NotMyKawhi]

Cade
Green
Barnes
Mobley
Suggs
Kuminga
Segun
Bouknight
Keon
Mitchell


top 10 from my sauces

[RookieStar]

Cade
Green
Barnes
Mobley
Suggs
Kuminga
Segun
Bouknight
Keon
Mitchell


top 10 from my sauces

You gotta take into account that Moody Wagner Giddy J.Johnson still hasnt released their " teaser trailers" to raise their stocks up.

[BCS]

1. Jalen Green
2. Cade Cunningham
3. Jonathan Kuminga
4. Jalen Johnson
5. JT Thor
6. Zaire Williams
7. Scottie Barnes
8. Tre Mann
9. James Bouknight
10. Josh Giddey
11. Jalen Suggs
12. Davion Mitchell
13. Evan Mobley
14. Corey Kispert
15. Isaiah Todd

[T-Rob]

Cade
Green
Suggs
Mobley
Bouknight
Kuminga
Moody
Barnes
Wagner
Mann
Giddey
Dosunmu
Duarte
Mitchell

[rcklsscognition]

I'm going to list what I believe will be the re-draft order when we look back on this draft in 10 years:

1. Cade
2. Kuminga
3. Green
4. Bouknight
5. Mitchell
6. Moody
7. Mann
8. Suggs
9. Mobley (this kid has legit lower body control, possibly the best footwork out of the draft ever but I hate big men
10. Zaiaire Williams

I suspect the draft will go as follows:

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Suggs
4. Kuminga
5. Mobley (fml)
6. Moody
7. Barnes
8. Williams
9. Wagner
10. Mann

[paperboymafia]

Cade
Green
Barnes
Mobley
Suggs
Kuminga
Segun
Bouknight
Keon
Mitchell


top 10 from my sauces

You gotta take into account that Moody Wagner Giddy J.Johnson still hasnt released their " teaser trailers" to raise their stocks up.

I'm super tired so I read "Moody Wagner" as a guys name and I was like, hell yeah now that's a cool name, sign me up!

[Bensational]

Update #1, as of July 3.

1 - Cade
2 - Green
3 - Tre Mann
4 - Suggs
5 - Giddey
6 - Dosunmu
7 - Sengun
8 - Mobley
9 - Barnes
10 - Jalen Johnson
11 - Thor
12 - Moody
13 - Shariffe Cooper
14 - Wagner
15 - Vrenz Bleijenbergh

Mostly shuffling of the guards on the board but Kuminga out of the top 15 and Moody in. I favour guards over bigs so have undervalued bigs and they only start at 7.

Basically 1 - 3 I see as guys who could be your scoring engines. 4 - 5 (Suggs and Giddey) your offensive engines as playmakers. 6 as a hybrid of both. Sengun belongs in that scoring engine group, but like I said I prefer guards over bigs. After that they’re more elite role player types (all star level role players).

Cooper, Jalen Johnson and Moody the dark horses for guys who could find another gear at the next level. Vrenz is the wildcard.

Kuminga admittedly underrated. I see the potential others see - post footwork, defensive capability. But I also see an inefficient black hole closer to Dwayne Bacon than Kawhi.

[Magic Mops]

Update #1, as of July 3.

1 - Cade
2 - Green
3 - Tre Mann
4 - Suggs
5 - Giddey
6 - Dosunmu
7 - Sengun
8 - Mobley
9 - Barnes
10 - Jalen Johnson
11 - Thor
12 - Moody
13 - Shariffe Cooper
14 - Wagner
15 - Vrenz Bleijenbergh

Mostly shuffling of the guards on the board but Kuminga out of the top 15 and Moody in. I favour guards over bigs so have undervalued bigs and they only start at 7.

Basically 1 - 3 I see as guys who could be your scoring engines. 4 - 5 (Suggs and Giddey) your offensive engines as playmakers. 6 as a hybrid of both. Sengun belongs in that scoring engine group, but like I said I prefer guards over bigs. After that they’re more elite role player types (all star level role players).

Cooper, Jalen Johnson and Moody the dark horses for guys who could find another gear at the next level. Vrenz is the wildcard.

Kuminga admittedly underrated. I see the potential others see - post footwork, defensive capability. But I also see an inefficient black hole closer to Dwayne Bacon than Kawhi.

You are really high on Mann and Giddey.
Dosunmu at 6.

[axl_c_cool]

Superstars
1. Cade Cunningham
2. Jalen Green

All Stars
3. Evan Mobley
4. James Bouknight
5. Jonathan Kuminga

Fringe All Star/Above Average Starter
6. Moses Moody
7. Alperen Sengun
8. Scottie Barnes
9. Jalen Suggs

Glue Role Player / 6MOTY
10A. Franz Wagner
11A. Josh Giddey
12A. Deuce McBride
13A. Chris Duarte

Potential Pick
10B. Jaden Springer
11B. Jalen Johnson
12B. Zaire Williams
13B. Tre Mann

Productive Bench
18. Corey Kispert
19. Trey Murphy III
20. Bones Hyland
21. Usman Garuba
22. Cam Thomas
23. Ayo Dosunmu
24. Quentin Grimes
25. Kai Jones

Want no part of in the first round
Keon Johnson
Davion Mitchell
Josh Christopher
Greg Brown

This seems about right to me, wonder if we can get Green and Kuminga without giving up the farm! (I know we can't)

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[Bensational]

You are really high on Mann and Giddey.
Dosunmu at 6.

Yeah, I certainly rank them higher than most others.

I’ll break it down a little more than I have before. When I look at Mann and his game, I see all the base skills of the league’s better scorers. I read a lot of other takes on prospects like Green and Bouknight where people seem to really overvalue their athleticism. When I look at Curry, Harden, Kyrie, Doncic, Young and others I don’t see them using otherworldly athleticism to out-jump opponents to score - they get it all done with craft, skill and IQ.

I see a lot of that in Mann. When he has the ball he has full control of himself, and as a result full control of the defender. He can lure them in and shake them off in a variety of ways and then punish them with his great shooting touch. He’s going to be an efficient scorer at the next level straight out of the gates with his skills and smarts.

Giddey is similar in his control of himself, but he also has a view and control over an entire defense so he will find the open man and deliver a perfect pass every time. He’s not the scorer, and I have doubts he ever will be, but given how advanced his playmaking is he could afford to spend time developing that side to become an even bigger overall threat.

Green I see as someone who doesn’t have the polish on his skills the way those two above do, but he isn’t far behind. More than that, he seems like a rare example of a player who can actually use his athleticism to truly elevate his game.

Dosunmu I see as just a great motor guy who’s going to grind every day to get better. I can see him becoming good enough to be one of a team’s leading scorers whilst also bringing a leadership that will raise the collective floor of the team. He’s a winner, like Jimmy Butler.

[GelbeWand09]

You are really high on Mann and Giddey.
Dosunmu at 6.

Yeah, I certainly rank them higher than most others.

I’ll break it down a little more than I have before. When I look at Mann and his game, I see all the base skills of the league’s better scorers. I read a lot of other takes on prospects like Green and Bouknight where people seem to really overvalue their athleticism. When I look at Curry, Harden, Kyrie, Doncic, Young and others I don’t see them using otherworldly athleticism to out-jump opponents to score - they get it all done with craft, skill and IQ.

I see a lot of that in Mann. When he has the ball he has full control of himself, and as a result full control of the defender. He can lure them in and shake them off in a variety of ways and then punish them with his great shooting touch. He’s going to be an efficient scorer at the next level straight out of the gates with his skills and smarts.

Giddey is similar in his control of himself, but he also has a view and control over an entire defense so he will find the open man and deliver a perfect pass every time. He’s not the scorer, and I have doubts he ever will be, but given how advanced his playmaking is he could afford to spend time developing that side to become an even bigger overall threat.

Green I see as someone who doesn’t have the polish on his skills the way those two above do, but he isn’t far behind. More than that, he seems like a rare example of a player who can actually use his athleticism to truly elevate his game.

Dosunmu I see as just a great motor guy who’s going to grind every day to get better. I can see him becoming good enough to be one of a team’s leading scorers whilst also bringing a leadership that will raise the collective floor of the team. He’s a winner, like Jimmy Butler.

I havent watched much of Mann but from what i have seen, Green gets to the hoop so easy, its ridiculous. As soon as he puts up some weight to absorb contact, he is unstoppable to get to the hoop with his long strides & speed.

Tre Mann looks kinda slow & he needs ton of fancy moves to create a halfway decent shot. Do you think, he can get constantly to the hoop at the NBA level?

I'm not even the biggest Green fan here, because i have my doubts that he becomes more than a pure scorer.

Of the guys you named. Harden, Doncic doesnt need speed, because they have ridiculous combination of speed, stop & go moves & strength. Kyrie, Trae & Curry combine maybe the 3 best handles in the leaque, with the ability to shoot from everywhere + underrated speed. They are all unstoppable in the PnR because they get to the hoop with ease & can shoot from everywhere.
Mann reminds me more of D'angelo Russell to be honest. Thats maybe the reason i underrate Mann, because i was never a fan of Russell. But like i said, i have probably seen much less of him than you.

[Bensational]

You are really high on Mann and Giddey.
Dosunmu at 6.

Yeah, I certainly rank them higher than most others.

I’ll break it down a little more than I have before. When I look at Mann and his game, I see all the base skills of the league’s better scorers. I read a lot of other takes on prospects like Green and Bouknight where people seem to really overvalue their athleticism. When I look at Curry, Harden, Kyrie, Doncic, Young and others I don’t see them using otherworldly athleticism to out-jump opponents to score - they get it all done with craft, skill and IQ.

I see a lot of that in Mann. When he has the ball he has full control of himself, and as a result full control of the defender. He can lure them in and shake them off in a variety of ways and then punish them with his great shooting touch. He’s going to be an efficient scorer at the next level straight out of the gates with his skills and smarts.

Giddey is similar in his control of himself, but he also has a view and control over an entire defense so he will find the open man and deliver a perfect pass every time. He’s not the scorer, and I have doubts he ever will be, but given how advanced his playmaking is he could afford to spend time developing that side to become an even bigger overall threat.

Green I see as someone who doesn’t have the polish on his skills the way those two above do, but he isn’t far behind. More than that, he seems like a rare example of a player who can actually use his athleticism to truly elevate his game.

Dosunmu I see as just a great motor guy who’s going to grind every day to get better. I can see him becoming good enough to be one of a team’s leading scorers whilst also bringing a leadership that will raise the collective floor of the team. He’s a winner, like Jimmy Butler.

I havent watched much of Mann but from what i have seen, Green gets to the hoop so easy, its ridiculous. As soon as he puts up some weight to absorb contact, he is unstoppable to get to the hoop with his long strides & speed.

Tre Mann looks kinda slow & he needs ton of fancy moves to create a halfway decent shot. Do you think, he can get constantly to the hoop at the NBA level?

I'm not even the biggest Green fan here, because i have my doubts that he becomes more than a pure scorer.

Of the guys you named. Harden, Doncic doesnt need speed, because they have ridiculous combination of speed, stop & go moves & strength. Kyrie, Trae & Curry combine maybe the 3 best handles in the leaque, with the ability to shoot from everywhere + underrated speed. They are all unstoppable in the PnR because they get to the hoop with ease & can shoot from everywhere.
Mann reminds me more of D'angelo Russell to be honest. Thats maybe the reason i underrate Mann, because i was never a fan of Russell. But like i said, i have probably seen much less of him than you.

Yeah I probably should’ve removed Green from that example because like I said in my paragraph on him, he seems like a rare exception of someone who can use his athleticism in otherworldly ways. His hang time and double clutch instincts are Jordan-esque. He just needs to get his footwork down more (not like he’s bad as it is) and eventually add more weight and he should be a stud.

I haven’t watched every game of Mann’s, just a few condensed cuts and a lot of scouting videos. D’Lo isn’t a bad comp, but Mann seems smarter to me. He has moments where he will just walk into a shot with a defender on him, because he’s just got such a good read on them and how much time he needs to get his pull up jumper off. He isn’t a guy who’s going to relentlessly attack the rim, because he doesn’t need to. He has a great midrange game and a deadly floater. They’re good enough that if defenders start playing him close to guard those then he can blow by and get to the hoop. He just seems to keep the defender on a string, and I think he’ll only get smarter in the pros.

[Skybox]

ORL wish list order, IMO...

1. Jalen Green
2. Cade
3. Suggs
4. Mobley
5. Kuminga
6. Bouknight
7. Moody
8. Keon Johnson
9. Giddey
10. Ziaire Williams
11. Jalen Johnson
12. Kispert
13. Barnes*
14. Wagner
15. D. Mitchell

* I think Barnes is much better than 13 but not for ORL...IF we somehow moved up to get Green and Barnes, Keon Johnson, Moody, Kispert, or Giddey was our second pick-Fantastic!

[Def Swami]

1. Cade
2. Suggs
3. Green
4. Mobley

5. Barnes
6. Sengun
7. Bouknight
8. Moody

9. Cooper
10. Mann
11. Wagner

12. Johnson
13. Kuminga

My #1-4 has been consistent since the college/G league season. Those 4 guys have the most upside and the most developed games wit the least amount of questions.

I think Bensational has the right idea though. The draft becomes really unpredictable the later in the lottery you get. And at least one or two of the players selected in the middle or late first round is going to make at least one all-star team.

My #5-13 is pretty fluid. There are so many guys who could improve on one skill and change their entire trajectory. And picking the guy who could do it in that crop is kind of a crapshoot IMHO. If one of Scottie Barnes, Jonathan Kuminga, or Keon Johnson learns to shoot, they could end up being the prize of the draft. Pinpointing who will figure it out is so difficult. You can use free throw percentages, eye tests, and interviews to see their mental make up, but a lot of times there's no rhyme or reason to it. All three could never learn to shoot and just be Nic Batum, Luol Deng, and Marcus Smart.

I like Barnes the most of that crop because he does literally everything else really well. Every time I watched FSU this year, he stood out to me. His energy and defense was so infectious. There's a certain level of intensity that he plays with that reminded me of Bam Adebayo (There's this Zach Lowe story on Adebayo and an account of his workout with the Miami Heat. I often wonder to myself how teams miss on guys like that and think back to that story. Those workouts and interviews are such an important component to the process that I wish I was a fly on the wall to some of them to understand the decisions some teams make. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28678382/bam-adebayo-fiercest-best-nba-player-know)

That kid isn't afraid of anyone or any moment and he's going to work his ass off to be the best version of himself. Add in how smart of a passer and playmaker he was for his age. I'm a sucker for guys who are unselfish and can pass (it's why I value Suggs a lot). It's hard to find 6'9" guys that can dribble, make reads, and pass like he does. If he becomes just an average shooter, he's going to be an extremely valuable asset with his ability to guard 1-5 and make plays on offense. He could be Draymond Green, and at pick #5, that's great value. Finding the guards to complement that kind of player would become the next task. If I'm going to bank on one of those 3 players (Kuminga and Johnson included) to figure it out it would be Barnes.

Sengun, Bouknight, and Moody have been hashed out a lot on the board. I like all 3 for different reasons. I acknowledge they have their warts too, as has been discussed.

I really like guys like Tre Mann, Sharife Cooper, Franz Wagner to sneak into my #5-8 as well. Especially Cooper. I watched a lot of his games, and he has a good understanding how to read the game and make plays. I don't think he is as bad a shooter as his percentages showed. Mann hit some NBA level shots during the season and was more efficient than it felt in the moment. He got rushed at times and sometimes settled for step backs and mid-range jumpers. He's not really a table setter for other guys. Wagner is just a good overall basketball player. He may never make an all-star team, but he'll be a pro for 10+ years.