yoyojw17 wrote: pepe1991 wrote:
Sammyzc+1 wrote:And as we all know, young players have 0 chance of developing and will be out of the league by their second year if their "numbers" do not meet whatever criteria, right?
They do, within already existing skills that they showcase at youth levels, college and rookie year/rookie contract.
What young players never do, is wake up at age of 23, after playing same sport for 12-15 years and learn to shoot like Klay,dribble like Irving or post up like Hakeem over span of 2 months.
Case and point, every Elf Payton shooting debate 2014-2017 was people talking themselfs into notion he just needs to "work at jumpshot bit more" and everything will be fine. Here we are, 8 years later, guess who still didn't learn how to shoot?
LOL.... Elf is like your whipping boy. Come on man... we can't cherry-pick players that prove your point. Lol... players like Kawhi and Giannis evolved into superstars. Plus if it really was that easy "already existing skills that they showcase at youth levels, college" drafts should be pretty damn straightforward. but there are soooooo many variables and uncertainties. and that's also why we talk about potential and upside.
Yes... there is an exponential learning curve and natural affinity to things that we do in our youth.... but any of us can work on certain aspects of our crafts through experience, practice, and dedication. Whether it will translate to live games... we would have to wait and see... or it might only exist in empty gyms.
needless to say.... Okeke just finished his true rookie season. NBA game time is not the same as practicing for a year while recovering from an injury. but during the season... I saw many sparks of things I would love to see from him. And the same thing goes with Isaac. injuries have robbed him of EXPERIENCE time and have caused setbacks.
All i want is to give them a fair shake when they return. See how all of these young INDIVIDUALS add up to form a TEAM.
I still struggle to figure out/grasp what you really like about this team and why you are a fan.... hahaha
Elfrid Payton is definition of player who was drafted in lottery based on notion that he will develop skill he showed no signs of having
. That's why i always use him as example of player who didn't learn basketball skill over times because , at least to me, it was clear he never will.
I mean, i can use MCW or MKG if that makes less personal to you? Point still stands.
.. players like Kawhi and Giannis evolved into superstars.
And how many Giannis and Kawhi type players exist in 550 players league? 2 ? Ok,, i'll give you benefit of a doubt and double that number to 4. So probability of that type of development is 0,73%.
Btw Kawhi Leonard, at second year at college averaged close to 16 ppg, 10 rpb ,2,5 apg, 1,4 steals. 76% FTs. Yes, he did not have elite 3 point range (29%), but contures of arhytype of player he will become were visiable.
Notion that "nobody knew about Giannis" is simply false narrative. He signed 4 years contract with A vision team of Spain, second strongest basketball league in the world, and in same time 2 other teams tried to sign him, non other than current Euroleague champion- Efes and one of strongest, well known Europien basketball teams - Barcelona.
NBA game time is not the same as practicing for a year while recovering from an injury.
And still it's unfair adventage. Recovery of no injury lasts from as late as March of previous year, to October of next year. There is year and half gap. NBA rookies, actual ones, jump from college, predraft workouts, summer league, to preseason. Their preparation time is basically August- October. Needless to say, ones who skip rookie year have 18 months to adjust to life as nba pro, focus on diet, conditioning, nba schedule and lifestyle and simply grow into body of nba player without grind of 82 games.
3 of 5 most dominant rookie seasons, in last 15 years, were all from players who skipped rookie season.Ben Simmons, Griffin and Embiid are by far strongest "rookie" showcases. Embiid and Griffins are only rookies since Lebron who averaged 21 ppg as rookies.
You can't tell me that there isn't strong indicator that them not playing actual rookie seasons had nothing do with it.
I still struggle to figure out/grasp what you really like about this team and why you are a fan
i'll watch season to see Suggs play. But i'm well aware that most of current Magic playres won't be in nba in 5 years. Pretty much 2013-14 season, where only Dipo, Vuc and Harris survived in nba for 5 years. And that roster had 10 guys under age of 25.
What i find irritating is how irrational people get with Isaac.
Brandon Roy in first 4 years played 274 games, Porzings 186, Oden 82, Isaac 113.
His knee issues won't just magiclly go away after he torn ACL and meniscus and had before all that another same knee injury. And expecting him to not actually return same but somehow improve and develop his game
to me is just crazy talk. He did not play serious basketball for 2 calendar year. He lasted for 31 min in bubble.
And even if he somehow menages to not again huge injuries, goes without saying, it will require incredible amount of monitoring and scheaduled rest games for probably rest of his career. And pls don't give me Derick Rose as " good" example: Rose is 190 pounds guard (less stress on knees) who didn't play 70 games season since 2011.
Prediction day after Vuc, Gordon, Evan departure - most fans who are celebrating birth of new rebuild will be crying how rebuild is painful before 2022-23 season ends.
Date of writeup: March 26th, 2021.