Re: Official Spec Thread: Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:46 am
MagicFan101 wrote:Any rumblings on a return for Fultz?
Its in the JI thread. Him and Fultz are good to go on December.
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MagicFan101 wrote:Any rumblings on a return for Fultz?
The troll is back.Statlanta wrote:We are a galaxy away from San Antonio. 27th sounds about right. The more pressing issue is that Franz projects to be a role player and Suggs sucks. Theirs no blue chip prospect on this 27th seed and that’s depressing
basketballRob wrote:The troll is back.Statlanta wrote:We are a galaxy away from San Antonio. 27th sounds about right. The more pressing issue is that Franz projects to be a role player and Suggs sucks. Theirs no blue chip prospect on this 27th seed and that’s depressing
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Okay, I thought it was you that said you were switching your allegiance to a different team before. Maybe that was someone else.Statlanta wrote:basketballRob wrote:The troll is back.Statlanta wrote:We are a galaxy away from San Antonio. 27th sounds about right. The more pressing issue is that Franz projects to be a role player and Suggs sucks. Theirs no blue chip prospect on this 27th seed and that’s depressing
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I'm the only one in my family born and raised in Orlando. I own 2 NBA Orlando Magic basketballs, one signed by the 2003 team. Been to the 2012 All-Star Weekend. I am friends with one of the members of the 2000s teams. I own a Dwight Jersey. Stuff has been to my elementary school and handed out Read to Achieve folders. I've been to TD Waterhouse Center. I've graduated in the Amway Center. I've taken UCF programming classes with Tacko Fall. I've attended the team's pre-season open gym. I'm one of the first members of SOUL's RealGM Magic Discord. I've participated in the Magic forum's yearly fantasy draft on Yahoo. Watched countless games on My65, SUNSports, FSN and Bally Sports. Attended many home games myself.
And I'm the troll? Because I don't believe in our team.
Statlanta wrote:basketballRob wrote:The troll is back.Statlanta wrote:We are a galaxy away from San Antonio. 27th sounds about right. The more pressing issue is that Franz projects to be a role player and Suggs sucks. Theirs no blue chip prospect on this 27th seed and that’s depressing
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I'm the only one in my family born and raised in Orlando. I own 2 NBA Orlando Magic basketballs, one signed by the 2003 team. Been to the 2012 All-Star Weekend. I am friends with one of the members of the 2000s teams. I own a Dwight Jersey. Stuff has been to my elementary school and handed out Read to Achieve folders. I've been to TD Waterhouse Center. I've graduated in the Amway Center. I've taken UCF programming classes with Tacko Fall. I've attended the team's pre-season open gym. I'm one of the first members of SOUL's RealGM Magic Discord. I've participated in the Magic forum's yearly fantasy draft on Yahoo. Watched countless games on My65, SUNSports, FSN and Bally Sports. Attended many home games myself.
And I'm the troll? Because I don't believe in our team.
drsd wrote:Interesting seeing the Magic RAPTOR totals so far:
538 Magic RAPTOR link
So: Anthony is clearly Orlando's best player. Carter, Bamba, and F-Wagner are NBA average players on both offence and defense. Suggs is Orlando's best defender. And Harris is a truly awful basketball player to date. Statistically he a worse offensive than defensive player. But, in a season that already has 9 losses, his "play" accounts personally for almost 1 of those losses: all by himself!
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nicnac215 wrote:My god Jabari Smith is insane! He is going to end up being a higher rated prospect than Chet and Paolo come NBA draft night.
Magic_Kingdom wrote:We are in Year 5 of the Weltman/Hammond regime. Has a GM ever been cut more slack than Welt/Ham? The Magic's record since these two took over is 124-197. That's a winning percentage of .386. By the end of this season they will probably have a win percentage in the 20s. They were given the green light to tear down the roster and try to rebuild it even though they had 4 years to build it and did nothing. Hennigan drafted far better -- Oladipo, Gordon, Payton, Sabonis (even though he traded him for Ibaka). Would you trade any of them for Isaac, Bamba, or Okeke? And yes it's early but what if Suggs doesn't get much better? They cannot afford to miss on that pick after tanking and gutting the roster last year.
It's just very frustrating that we are at Year 5 with these fools and this is the product they have built -- one of the worst teams in the NBA. And if Hennigan's roster had a low ceiling then why didn't they recognize that and rebuild immediately? Why are we here at this point in their tenure, watching terrible basketball from a talentless team?
Magic_Kingdom wrote:We are in Year 5 of the Weltman/Hammond regime. Has a GM ever been cut more slack than Welt/Ham? The Magic's record since these two took over is 124-197. That's a winning percentage of .386. By the end of this season they will probably have a win percentage in the 20s. They were given the green light to tear down the roster and try to rebuild it even though they had 4 years to build it and did nothing. Hennigan drafted far better -- Oladipo, Gordon, Payton, Sabonis (even though he traded him for Ibaka). Would you trade any of them for Isaac, Bamba, or Okeke? And yes it's early but what if Suggs doesn't get much better? They cannot afford to miss on that pick after tanking and gutting the roster last year.
It's just very frustrating that we are at Year 5 with these fools and this is the product they have built -- one of the worst teams in the NBA. And if Hennigan's roster had a low ceiling then why didn't they recognize that and rebuild immediately? Why are we here at this point in their tenure, watching terrible basketball from a talentless team?
pepe1991 wrote:Magic_Kingdom wrote:We are in Year 5 of the Weltman/Hammond regime. Has a GM ever been cut more slack than Welt/Ham? The Magic's record since these two took over is 124-197. That's a winning percentage of .386. By the end of this season they will probably have a win percentage in the 20s. They were given the green light to tear down the roster and try to rebuild it even though they had 4 years to build it and did nothing. Hennigan drafted far better -- Oladipo, Gordon, Payton, Sabonis (even though he traded him for Ibaka). Would you trade any of them for Isaac, Bamba, or Okeke? And yes it's early but what if Suggs doesn't get much better? They cannot afford to miss on that pick after tanking and gutting the roster last year.
It's just very frustrating that we are at Year 5 with these fools and this is the product they have built -- one of the worst teams in the NBA. And if Hennigan's roster had a low ceiling then why didn't they recognize that and rebuild immediately? Why are we here at this point in their tenure, watching terrible basketball from a talentless team?
Honestlly, why would anybody ever belive that they will devlier anyting but perminent mediocrity and trips in lottery almost every year?
Did anybody actually saw Hammond frankenstein's monster Bucks former rosters?
JJ Redick at SF with Brandon Jennings and Monta Elise
John Henson at PF, 2 centers lineups, no spacing
Rammon Sessions playing SG while making 20 threes whole year
Fun fact, 9 years as Bucks GM, do you know how many times Bucks weren't top 10 worst offense? Once.
He has clear fascination with combo guards and guys who are built like Mr. Fantstic from fantastic 4. Where his philosophy of lenght for defense makes sense, he fails to underastand that it's almost impossible to find 5-6 guys that are two way players , talented enough to score and hold that roster together, as history shows two-way players cost way too much. So he keeps giving un offense in favor of stiff wood- long defenders ( Thon Maker, Bamba, Sanders, MCW , Iwundu, Isaac, Henson, Aminu, Moute...) and his offense is always some combo guard shooting s*** loud of outside shots ( Monta, Jennings, Brandon Knight... now Cole ) .
As for Weltman, and in general Raptors during his time there there were team that tried to tank ( traded Rudy Gay for bag of chips , Chuck Hayes, Greivis Vasquez, John Salmons and Patrick Patterson.) But than they started winning out of thin air. But there was clear ceiling they had with Derozan and Lowry BFFs, one he had no guts to split up all the way until Ujiri finally moved one away ( and won championship).
i never felt sense of direction,clear plan or urgency with them. They never bother to draft need, they never bother to adress shooting, they never bother to explore market in search for young stars. They treat second round of draft as dumping ground and their G league callups are bunch of mid 20s, no upside guys.
That MLE on Aminu was best example how little they understand roster build and structure . Magic had Isaac and Gordon and they just randomlly dumped 3years, $30M guaranteed on guy who was famous for having no offensive game. Like, sure, why not?
pepe1991 wrote:
Honestlly, why would anybody ever belive that they will devlier anyting but perminent mediocrity and trips in lottery almost every year?
Did anybody actually saw Hammond frankenstein's monster Bucks former rosters?
JJ Redick at SF with Brandon Jennings and Monta Elise
John Henson at PF, 2 centers lineups, no spacing
Rammon Sessions playing SG while making 20 threes whole year
Fun fact, 9 years as Bucks GM, do you know how many times Bucks weren't top 10 worst offense? Once.
He has clear fascination with combo guards and guys who are built like Mr. Fantstic from fantastic 4. Where his philosophy of lenght for defense makes sense, he fails to underastand that it's almost impossible to find 5-6 guys that are two way players , talented enough to score and hold that roster together, as history shows two-way players cost way too much. So he keeps giving un offense in favor of stiff wood- long defenders ( Thon Maker, Bamba, Sanders, MCW , Iwundu, Isaac, Henson, Aminu, Moute...) and his offense is always some combo guard shooting s*** loud of outside shots ( Monta, Jennings, Brandon Knight... now Cole ) .
As for Weltman, and in general Raptors during his time there there were team that tried to tank ( traded Rudy Gay for bag of chips , Chuck Hayes, Greivis Vasquez, John Salmons and Patrick Patterson.) But than they started winning out of thin air. But there was clear ceiling they had with Derozan and Lowry BFFs, one he had no guts to split up all the way until Ujiri finally moved one away ( and won championship).
i never felt sense of direction,clear plan or urgency with them. They never bother to draft need, they never bother to adress shooting, they never bother to explore market in search for young stars. They treat second round of draft as dumping ground and their G league callups are bunch of mid 20s, no upside guys.
That MLE on Aminu was best example how little they understand roster build and structure . Magic had Isaac and Gordon and they just randomlly dumped 3years, $30M guaranteed on guy who was famous for having no offensive game. Like, sure, why not?
zaymon wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Magic_Kingdom wrote:We are in Year 5 of the Weltman/Hammond regime. Has a GM ever been cut more slack than Welt/Ham? The Magic's record since these two took over is 124-197. That's a winning percentage of .386. By the end of this season they will probably have a win percentage in the 20s. They were given the green light to tear down the roster and try to rebuild it even though they had 4 years to build it and did nothing. Hennigan drafted far better -- Oladipo, Gordon, Payton, Sabonis (even though he traded him for Ibaka). Would you trade any of them for Isaac, Bamba, or Okeke? And yes it's early but what if Suggs doesn't get much better? They cannot afford to miss on that pick after tanking and gutting the roster last year.
It's just very frustrating that we are at Year 5 with these fools and this is the product they have built -- one of the worst teams in the NBA. And if Hennigan's roster had a low ceiling then why didn't they recognize that and rebuild immediately? Why are we here at this point in their tenure, watching terrible basketball from a talentless team?
Honestlly, why would anybody ever belive that they will devlier anyting but perminent mediocrity and trips in lottery almost every year?
Did anybody actually saw Hammond frankenstein's monster Bucks former rosters?
JJ Redick at SF with Brandon Jennings and Monta Elise
John Henson at PF, 2 centers lineups, no spacing
Rammon Sessions playing SG while making 20 threes whole year
Fun fact, 9 years as Bucks GM, do you know how many times Bucks weren't top 10 worst offense? Once.
He has clear fascination with combo guards and guys who are built like Mr. Fantstic from fantastic 4. Where his philosophy of lenght for defense makes sense, he fails to underastand that it's almost impossible to find 5-6 guys that are two way players , talented enough to score and hold that roster together, as history shows two-way players cost way too much. So he keeps giving un offense in favor of stiff wood- long defenders ( Thon Maker, Bamba, Sanders, MCW , Iwundu, Isaac, Henson, Aminu, Moute...) and his offense is always some combo guard shooting s*** loud of outside shots ( Monta, Jennings, Brandon Knight... now Cole ) .
As for Weltman, and in general Raptors during his time there there were team that tried to tank ( traded Rudy Gay for bag of chips , Chuck Hayes, Greivis Vasquez, John Salmons and Patrick Patterson.) But than they started winning out of thin air. But there was clear ceiling they had with Derozan and Lowry BFFs, one he had no guts to split up all the way until Ujiri finally moved one away ( and won championship).
i never felt sense of direction,clear plan or urgency with them. They never bother to draft need, they never bother to adress shooting, they never bother to explore market in search for young stars. They treat second round of draft as dumping ground and their G league callups are bunch of mid 20s, no upside guys.
That MLE on Aminu was best example how little they understand roster build and structure . Magic had Isaac and Gordon and they just randomlly dumped 3years, $30M guaranteed on guy who was famous for having no offensive game. Like, sure, why not?
Building a contender from bottom feeder while not beeing a free agent destination is not a project for 2-3 years. I think you guys forgot who we had when Weltman took over. Biyombo, Payton, Hezonja were still here and we were coming from 29-53 season after Ibaka disaster.
What you guys advice for is starting tanking right away with no assets and bad contracts. Thats very risky and propably a recipe for disaster. Even if you get a star, you will propably waste many years trying to clear your books and aquire good players to surround him.
Weltman used first years to get rid of bad players and contracts while raising the value of good/average players. I dont know how you can blame him. He traded Gordon for good package and Vucevic propably at the peak of his value. He was worth much less when Weltman took over. He clearly thought Vucevic/Gordon/Fournier was not a championship core and thats why he didnt use any assets to build around them. That was Gordon main critique of the front office after the trade to support this view.
You guys just talk thrash without giving any reasonable alternative to what Weltman did. Even with hindsight he did well. You cant expect us winning after tearing down roster half year ago
pepe1991 wrote:zaymon wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Honestlly, why would anybody ever belive that they will devlier anyting but perminent mediocrity and trips in lottery almost every year?
Did anybody actually saw Hammond frankenstein's monster Bucks former rosters?
JJ Redick at SF with Brandon Jennings and Monta Elise
John Henson at PF, 2 centers lineups, no spacing
Rammon Sessions playing SG while making 20 threes whole year
Fun fact, 9 years as Bucks GM, do you know how many times Bucks weren't top 10 worst offense? Once.
He has clear fascination with combo guards and guys who are built like Mr. Fantstic from fantastic 4. Where his philosophy of lenght for defense makes sense, he fails to underastand that it's almost impossible to find 5-6 guys that are two way players , talented enough to score and hold that roster together, as history shows two-way players cost way too much. So he keeps giving un offense in favor of stiff wood- long defenders ( Thon Maker, Bamba, Sanders, MCW , Iwundu, Isaac, Henson, Aminu, Moute...) and his offense is always some combo guard shooting s*** loud of outside shots ( Monta, Jennings, Brandon Knight... now Cole ) .
As for Weltman, and in general Raptors during his time there there were team that tried to tank ( traded Rudy Gay for bag of chips , Chuck Hayes, Greivis Vasquez, John Salmons and Patrick Patterson.) But than they started winning out of thin air. But there was clear ceiling they had with Derozan and Lowry BFFs, one he had no guts to split up all the way until Ujiri finally moved one away ( and won championship).
i never felt sense of direction,clear plan or urgency with them. They never bother to draft need, they never bother to adress shooting, they never bother to explore market in search for young stars. They treat second round of draft as dumping ground and their G league callups are bunch of mid 20s, no upside guys.
That MLE on Aminu was best example how little they understand roster build and structure . Magic had Isaac and Gordon and they just randomlly dumped 3years, $30M guaranteed on guy who was famous for having no offensive game. Like, sure, why not?
Building a contender from bottom feeder while not beeing a free agent destination is not a project for 2-3 years. I think you guys forgot who we had when Weltman took over. Biyombo, Payton, Hezonja were still here and we were coming from 29-53 season after Ibaka disaster.
What you guys advice for is starting tanking right away with no assets and bad contracts. Thats very risky and propably a recipe for disaster. Even if you get a star, you will propably waste many years trying to clear your books and aquire good players to surround him.
Weltman used first years to get rid of bad players and contracts while raising the value of good/average players. I dont know how you can blame him. He traded Gordon for good package and Vucevic propably at the peak of his value. He was worth much less when Weltman took over. He clearly thought Vucevic/Gordon/Fournier was not a championship core and thats why he didnt use any assets to build around them. That was Gordon main critique of the front office after the trade to support this view.
You guys just talk thrash without giving any reasonable alternative to what Weltman did. Even with hindsight he did well. You cant expect us winning after tearing down roster half year ago
What's objective difference between that team and current team? Salary flexibilty that has no value on team that has no value within roster?
29-53 compared to this roster looks like second round of playoffs.
I will never and i mean NEVER praise somebody for making roser that is incapable of winning. Building disaster is so easy.
Teams in 5 years go from rebuild, competing for title and new rebuild. Magic went were disaster on start of their job, peaked at 42-40 and now are objectivlly 3rd worst team. So yea.... 5 years flushed down the toilet. In mean time team like Knicks, 76ers, Lakers, Hornets, Nets, Suns all menaged to build fine rosters (2016-17 worst teams with Magic). Only Orlando and Minessota still try to "build in right way" by mostly stockpiling young players without any backup plan, hoping one day new Shaq will fall in their lap.
drsd wrote:Interesting seeing the Magic RAPTOR totals so far:
538 Magic RAPTOR link
So: Anthony is clearly Orlando's best player. Carter, Bamba, and F-Wagner are NBA average players on both offence and defense. Suggs is Orlando's best defender. And Harris is a truly awful basketball player to date. Statistically he a worse offensive than defensive player. But, in a season that already has 9 losses, his "play" accounts personally for almost 1 of those losses: all by himself!
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