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I’m not including any of our draft picks. Let’s run this team one more season and see who can stay healthy.

Next season or at the trade deadline, consolidate assets where needed. And clean up anyone else who needs to leave.

Resign Harris, Bamba, Bol Bol

Fultz Cole Cannady
Suggs Harris RJ
Franz Okeke Ross
WCJ Bol Bol
JI Bama Moe Wagner

Draft jabari, sign dipo

Fultz siggs vet
Dipo, Suggs RJ
Franz Okeke Ross
WCJ jabari moe Bol Bol
JI Bama Moe Wagner rolo

cedric76 wrote:Draft jabari, sign dipo

Fultz siggs vet
Dipo, Suggs RJ
Franz Okeke Ross
WCJ jabari moe Bol Bol
JI Bama Moe Wagner rolo

Sadly, that's the likeliest outcome. I'd much rather see some bold activity.

Skybox wrote:

cedric76 wrote:Draft jabari, sign dipo

Fultz siggs vet
Dipo, Suggs RJ
Franz Okeke Ross
WCJ jabari moe Bol Bol
JI Bama Moe Wagner rolo

Sadly, that's the likeliest outcome. I'd much rather see some bold activity.

I don't think Oladipo will sign with Orlando.
I think the Magic should draft a SG.
Mathurin or may be a trade down for Agbaji and another asset.

If you are bringing back whole roster that lost 60 out of 82 games, your only objective goal of next season is Victor Wembanyama.

It's more realistic to project a depth chart without Isaac at this point. If he's healthy, wonderful, but we have 5 years of evidence to suggest that he will be a part-time player at best.

Looking at the current roster, 70% of the team is 24 or younger. If they are serious about trying to improve and win some games next season, they have to address that imbalance. They aren't going to extend all of these guys on rookie contracts, so it's time to start trimming the fat and adding a few veterans, especially with the addition of a top-6 pick into the rotation.

I would get rid of at least 2 of the following:

Bamba
Hampton
Okeke
Anthony

Cole is a good player but I don't think he's going to accept playing behind Fultz and Suggs if that is what develops next season. Just because many of us see him as an ideal scorer off the bench doesn't mean he sees himself that way. He improved in nearly every category this season and he's entering Year 3 of his rookie deal so he's looking to take another step forward.

So much of this depends on what position they draft. The entire team dynamic hinges on whether it's a top-6 big or top-6 guard (and most likely top-5).

pepe1991 wrote:If you are bringing back whole roster that lost 60 out of 82 games, your only objective goal of next season is Victor Wembanyama.

We can make the play in just adding our draft pick and a healthy Fultz.

Starting lineup Fultz Suggs Franz WCJ Bamba as long as healthy and playing together is going to win enough for play in.

JI or our 1st pick replaces Bamba in starting lineup even better.

what I would do,not what gonna happens,imagining we draft a PF(holmgren,banchero,smith or k.murray)

-shop cole anthony and t-ross on draft night for future picks

-re-signs g.harris to a rich 2 years contract (or replace him with a similar profile,a decent 3-D shooting guard)

-let bamba and lopez go

-work on suggs and give him playtime,because like it or not(and i am one of the few"haters"on this board)he is the guy you have to build around and we have to give him a fair chance as PG after a summer of full work.

to have basically something like:

suggs-g.harris-f.wagner-1st round pick-wcj + fultz-hampton-okeke-mo wagner from the bench.

Ralof wrote:what I would do,not what gonna happens,imagining we draft a PF(holmgren,banchero,smith or k.murray)

-shop cole anthony and t-ross on draft night for future picks

-re-signs g.harris to a rich 2 years contract (or replace him with a similar profile,a decent 3-D shooting guard)

-let bamba and lopez go

-work on suggs and give him playtime,because like it or not(and i am one of the few"haters"on this board)he is the guy you have to build around and we have to give him a fair chance as PG after a summer of full work.

to have basically something like:

suggs-g.harris-f.wagner-1st round pick-wcj + fultz-hampton-okeke-mo wagner from the bench.

I think Fultz has easily shown he is the best PG on this team.
You can run him as a combo guard off the bench so he can get 24 min a game.
You left out J.I. Trade or he'll be in the front court rotation.
Don't mind Harris, and agree, you have to get get rid of 1-2 guards if you are bringing him back.

RichCollab wrote:

pepe1991 wrote:If you are bringing back whole roster that lost 60 out of 82 games, your only objective goal of next season is Victor Wembanyama.

We can make the play in just adding our draft pick and a healthy Fultz.

Starting lineup Fultz Suggs Franz WCJ Bamba as long as healthy and playing together is going to win enough for play in.

JI or our 1st pick replaces Bamba in starting lineup even better.

If you didn't notice, you have to win twice as many games as Magic did to even get to playin.
Orlando is not "healthy Fultz and pick" away from Hawks or Nets. Matter of fact Magic record with Fultz is 6-12. That's nowhere near .500 required to get into playin ( or even to be in fight for playing ).

That "starting lineup" never played together so i don't know how you can claim that's enough to win twice as many games.


As for draft picks, almost all rookies are negative value on court, ofc, if you don't draft Lebron or Jordan. That player,however, does not exist in this draft. So no... outside some epic trade for superstar that Weltman will never have balls to do, this team will probably next year be in play for 28-30 wins.

Fultz, Franz and WCJ should project to start.
I assume we draft a forward top 5, and it makes sense to get a value vet 2 guard. Harris R/S?

Starting lineup
Fultz, Harris, Franz, Top pick, WCJ

Cole, Suggs, Chuma would be solid off the bench.
I would be ok keeping Bamba on a short deal.
JI should be a bench player until we know his body holds up, like Fultz this year. Ross can stay or go.
Bench
Cole, Suggs, Ross, Chuma, JI, Bamba
Deep bench
Cannedy, RJ, M.Wagner, Bol
Fultz/Cole/RJ
Harris/Suggs/Cannedy
Franz/Ross/Chuma
Top 5/JI/Bol
WCJ/Bamba/M.Wagner
Cannedy, Bol spots up for grabs if a 2nd round guy shows out.

cedric76 wrote:Draft jabari, sign dipo

Fultz siggs vet
Dipo, Suggs RJ
Franz Okeke Ross
WCJ jabari moe Bol Bol
JI Bama Moe Wagner rolo

Hard to see the Heat bringing back Herro and Oladipo. Orlando upgrades by getting either.

I will go max-conservative here: resign Harris and Bamba. Draft Mathurin, Patrick Baldwin and Ismael Kamagate.

Fultz/Suggs/Hampton
Harris/Anthony/Mathurin
F-Wagner/Ross/Baldwin
Isaac/Okeke/M-Wagner
Carter/Bamba/Kamagate


This no-change roster is actually not unbelievable. Which is sad.


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pepe1991 wrote:

RichCollab wrote:

pepe1991 wrote:If you are bringing back whole roster that lost 60 out of 82 games, your only objective goal of next season is Victor Wembanyama.

We can make the play in just adding our draft pick and a healthy Fultz.

Starting lineup Fultz Suggs Franz WCJ Bamba as long as healthy and playing together is going to win enough for play in.

JI or our 1st pick replaces Bamba in starting lineup even better.

If you didn't notice, you have to win twice as many games as Magic did to even get to playin.
Orlando is not "healthy Fultz and pick" away from Hawks or Nets. Matter of fact Magic record with Fultz is 6-12. That's nowhere near .500 required to get into playin ( or even to be in fight for playing ).

That "starting lineup" never played together so i don't know how you can claim that's enough to win twice as many games.


As for draft picks, almost all rookies are negative value on court, ofc, if you don't draft Lebron or Jordan. That player,however, does not exist in this draft. So no... outside some epic trade for superstar that Weltman will never have balls to do, this team will probably next year be in play for 28-30 wins.

WCJ growth this year and Franz progression are pluses too.

Damn forget how much better Eastern conference is, play in requires more over .500.

I put us at 36 wins plus or minus 4.

Without including draft picks I'll give a drastically different depth chart. I'm expecting some flack and that's ok. I'll provide some reasoning first

I'm bringing bamba back and he's starting-as long as he shoots the 3 the way he has of late and rebounds and blocks.

Suggs is not starting and will not start with his horrid shooting percentages. I like Suggs and I'm totally a give the guy time to develop type, but his shooting needs to be much better to be in the starting lineup.

I am a fan of JI but he's probably going to be on a minutes restriction when he comes back so his time on court suits the second unit better

Here's where I expect flack. I'm a big believer in playing your 5 best players. To me chuma is in that group. And I've seen several times this year where he picks up a pg or sg or sf in transition or a pnr switch. He can stay in front of guards and wings as well as anyone else on the roster. His offense has been to shoot open 3s and make good cuts, keep it simple.

So here's my depth chart

Fultz/suggs/cole/cannady
Chuma/RJ
Franz/Ross
WCJ/JI
Bamba/Mo Wagner

Ok so let's say we draft a shooting gaurd like mathurin or Sharpe. Guess what I'm still starting chuma. It'd look like this

Fultz/suggs/cole/cannady
Frp/RJ
Franz/Ross
Chuma/WCJ
Bamba/JI/Mo Wagner

I'm ok with seeing how this roster does. I'm also ok with using cole, Ross, and the 2 second round picks in a trade for a long term back up 3. Oh and I'd bring back MCW to be that fill in wherever whenever needed.

I think this team is a year, two top 5 lottery picks and a year of healthy Issac, Fultz and Suggs away from being close to a playoff birth. But with that said, that’s exciting to think about. It’s obvious to me Fultz is the best overall guard on this team, in spite of his lack of a 3 point shot. His playmaker ability should really help everyone on the roster, and imagine a guy like Jaden Ivey playing next to him or Jabari Smith being set up from him. That’s not necessarily an automatic NBA Finals run but adding a piece beyond them in 2023 alongside a possibly improved Cole, Carter, and Okeke along with some significant cap space could have this team in prime position to be one of the best up and coming teams in the entire league in 18 months. I’d be excited about those prospects.

JBSouthpaw wrote:

Ralof wrote:what I would do,not what gonna happens,imagining we draft a PF(holmgren,banchero,smith or k.murray)

-shop cole anthony and t-ross on draft night for future picks

-re-signs g.harris to a rich 2 years contract (or replace him with a similar profile,a decent 3-D shooting guard)

-let bamba and lopez go

-work on suggs and give him playtime,because like it or not(and i am one of the few"haters"on this board)he is the guy you have to build around and we have to give him a fair chance as PG after a summer of full work.

to have basically something like:

suggs-g.harris-f.wagner-1st round pick-wcj + fultz-hampton-okeke-mo wagner from the bench.

I think Fultz has easily shown he is the best PG on this team.
You can run him as a combo guard off the bench so he can get 24 min a game.
You left out J.I. Trade or he'll be in the front court rotation.
Don't mind Harris, and agree, you have to get get rid of 1-2 guards if you are bringing him back.

Suggs deserves 28-30 minutes as starter PG imho,no more changes,no more excuses,we have to know what we have in our hands with him.
we have to give him at least 2-3 months to show what he can do,at half of the year if needed we can change lineup.

fultz is fine from the bench,18-20 minutes is ideal for him,the fact that is the best pg right now is not that important tbh.

Isaac honestly lol,do not think we should count on him in any way,if he could try to play let him does it,but right now is something so far from happening i do not think we should take that chance in consideration,even in our silly preseason scenarios

Ralof wrote:

JBSouthpaw wrote:

Ralof wrote:what I would do,not what gonna happens,imagining we draft a PF(holmgren,banchero,smith or k.murray)

-shop cole anthony and t-ross on draft night for future picks

-re-signs g.harris to a rich 2 years contract (or replace him with a similar profile,a decent 3-D shooting guard)

-let bamba and lopez go

-work on suggs and give him playtime,because like it or not(and i am one of the few"haters"on this board)he is the guy you have to build around and we have to give him a fair chance as PG after a summer of full work.

to have basically something like:

suggs-g.harris-f.wagner-1st round pick-wcj + fultz-hampton-okeke-mo wagner from the bench.

I think Fultz has easily shown he is the best PG on this team.
You can run him as a combo guard off the bench so he can get 24 min a game.
You left out J.I. Trade or he'll be in the front court rotation.
Don't mind Harris, and agree, you have to get get rid of 1-2 guards if you are bringing him back.

Suggs deserves 28-30 minutes as starter PG imho,no more changes,no more excuses,we have to know what we have in our hands with him.
we have to give him at least 2-3 months to show what he can do,at half of the year if needed we can change lineup.

fultz is fine from the bench,18-20 minutes is ideal for him,the fact that is the best pg right now is not that important tbh.

Isaac honestly lol,do not think we should count on him in any way,if he could try to play let him does it,but right now is something so far from happening i do not think we should take that chance in consideration,even in our silly preseason scenarios

your take on Suggs/Fultz = NOPE.
I'd rather they start together than reduce Fultz to 20MPG, that is ridiculous.
Coach started Cole over Suggs at PG, def. going to start Fultz, who is the 2nd highest paid player going into next year, paid by this GM.
Suggs has better defense, but Fultz isn't bad, Fultz right now is light years ahead of Suggs every where else.
This team should be in the playoffs next year, most likely the play-in, Suggs can have a significant role off the bench.

100% agree on not counting on Isaac, but he's on the roster until he isn't.

pepe1991 wrote:
Matter of fact Magic record with Fultz is 6-12. That's nowhere near .500 required to get into playin ( or even to be in fight for playing ).

The Magic weren't even trying to win most of the time so I don't think we can get any valuable insight from the record with or without Fultz. I mean Mosely literally was winning a game (I think against Indiana) and decided to play the whole 4th quarter with the end of the bench guys.

But I agree, playoffs is a bit of a stretch. I like Fultz as a passer, and Franz and WCJ are rock solid players...not sure that is overall enough...and this is assuming the Magic are even going to try to win next season.

If we bring back Harris (which seems a very long shot to me) and we actually want to win, he should be a starter. Right now he's clearly a better player than both Fultz and Suggs, and Fultz and Suggs are a horrendous fit together on offense.

But bringing back everyone would be a terrible idea IMO. It's time to decide which players are the ones we should focus on and get rid of the rest.