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The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 9:59 pm
by Skin
Shaedon Sharpe is not going to be the #1 pick of the draft. The fear that he cannot be judged against any competition level above High School creates a big risk that WeHam will unlikely take. It sucks and it's unfortunate for us to be pressured into taking one of the draft media darlings who all have glaring flaws in their GAMES, while Sharpe only has a flaw in his level of competition. :cry:

However, that does not mean he doesn't have a damn good chance at being the best player to come out of this draft. From '95-'05, the risk to take HS players was HEAVILY criticized, BUT the fact that so many teams were striking GOLD, made it a CRAZE! It started with KG, Kobe, T-Mac. Then teams started overhyping them, falling into traps where we saw the likes of Jonathan Bender, Darius Miles... 2001 was crazy with 3 of the Top 4 picks coming from HS, Kwame Brown, Tyson Chandler and Eddie Curry. League then saw a rebound with Amare Stoudemire, Lebron, and then Dwight.

With HS players no longer being eligible, NBA GMs were taken off the hook and no longer had to deal with grading players limited by their HS tape only. Things have become more interesting in the last couple years with star HS prospects electing to play in the G League or Australia instead of College, but it hasn't been since 2005 since the NBA has had to evaluate a top prospect based off his HS tape only.

So here we are with Shaedon Sharpe. In a year without a clear cut top prospect and the Top 3 college guys all have some kind of glaring flaw... How would you feel in 3-5 years if Shaedon Sharpe is a shining NBA Star while Chet is a walking crutch due to multitudes of injury, Jabari is just a stretch 4 who struggles defending inside, and Banchero is an inefficient chucking big man who can't defend outside or inside the post??? I WILL BE SICK TO MY STOMACH!

Can you imagine Detroit with a backcourt of Cade Cunningham and Shaedon Sharpe? Oh my word.

If you are a low risk guy, you will take Chet, Jabari, Paolo and walk away guilt free because the so called draft analysts said you did the right thing. But that is cowardice. WE NEED A STAR. I don't care about what others think and would rather strike gold or look dumb trying. Shaedon Sharpe is going to be the MAN!

Is there a way to eliminate the guessing game out of evaluating him? LET'S TRACK!

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Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 10:03 pm
by fateis007
Honestly, I didn't even want him with the 5th pick over Ivey. I am just not impressed by him. Is he uber athletic? Yep

But he looks slow with the ball, in those videos, and in game videos you can find. He just doesn't have that fast twitch speed you want to see in a guard to break down defenders.

Hell, if you watch his highschool clips he wasn't even getting by them.

I could be wrong, but there isn't much to go on and constantly using step backs makes me think it's because he can't get by and will have to bully.

I saw another poster compare him to aaron gordan/cole anthony. They look explosive with a runway, but with the ball, oh man.

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 10:27 pm
by 89Magicfan
He’s the most intriguing IMO

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 10:40 pm
by RookieStar
Hmmm so 6'5 in shoes... high jump but we don't see his " quick twitch" like elite Guards have ( Ja, RW , etc ) so he needs to rely on his jumper like the Klays and Hardens...

That is why its such a bummer we didnt see him play against college competition. We don't know if his open gym workouts can translate to a 5vs5 game

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 11:23 pm
by Bensational
Skin wrote:Shaedon Sharpe is not going to be the #1 pick of the draft. The fear that he cannot be judged against any competition level above High School creates a big risk that WeHam will unlikely take. It sucks and it's unfortunate for us to be pressured into taking one of the draft media darlings who all have glaring flaws in their GAMES, while Sharpe only has a flaw in his level of competition. :cry:


Sharpe has glaring flaws - he struggles to create his own shot and get to the rim, doesn't create for others/has low assist numbers, has very low numbers as far as STOCKS meaning he's not an obvious plus defender, and his athleticism is limited to when he can play off ball and get a two-footed load up in a clear cutting lane. And these are problems he's having against high school competition.

I'm not saying he can't become great, but there is little about his profile which screams 'future star' to me. From a high school scouting perspective, he has more in common with JR Smith than Tmac, Kobe or any other former elite high school draft pick. Emoni Bates was in his EYBL class and rankings and another heralded scorer - and he's going back to college for his sophomore season because he wasn't able to do anything of interest against college competition.

I see some Jaylen Brown comp potential in him, so he's not a write-off prospect, but I have no idea what people are seeing that's making them froth so hard for Sharpe.

I mean, why don't we take last year's Shaedon Sharpe - Jaden Hardy? #1 ranked guard of his draft class, can shoot from deep like Sharpe but instead of jumping really high on fast break dunks, Hardy could drive and attack the paint and create for himself and others. He went to the G League, and now he's a projected mid-late 1st round pick. His only flaw, compared to Sharpe, is that he has been seen playing against a higher standard of competition since.


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Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 11:26 pm
by Xatticus
If he wanted to be in contention for the top pick in the draft, then he should've played. He was more concerned with falling than rising.

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 11:30 pm
by RookieStar
Xatticus wrote:If he wanted to be in contention for the top pick in the draft, then he should've played. He was more concerned with falling than rising.


I have to agree with this. This is like those games where a team up is playing not to lose trying to protect a lead over a team trying to win.

SS is trying to protect his spot from going down against hungrier competition by not playing. He isnt gonna try to raise his stock. Which is concerning because it means he has something to hide...

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 12:10 am
by RichCollab
RookieStar wrote:
Xatticus wrote:If he wanted to be in contention for the top pick in the draft, then he should've played. He was more concerned with falling than rising.


I have to agree with this. This is like those games where a team up is playing not to lose trying to protect a lead over a team trying to win.

SS is trying to protect his spot from going down against hungrier competition by not playing. He isnt gonna try to raise his stock. Which is concerning because it means he has something to hide...


I feel Sharpe has played this right. He is going to get paid.

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 12:16 am
by RookieStar
RichCollab wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Xatticus wrote:If he wanted to be in contention for the top pick in the draft, then he should've played. He was more concerned with falling than rising.


I have to agree with this. This is like those games where a team up is playing not to lose trying to protect a lead over a team trying to win.

SS is trying to protect his spot from going down against hungrier competition by not playing. He isnt gonna try to raise his stock. Which is concerning because it means he has something to hide...


I feel Sharpe has played this right. He is going to get paid.


Oh def.. in a douchebag kind of way he did UK dirty while maintaining his top 10 spot... but barging in the coveted top 5? A team must feel reeeaaallly lucky to do so.

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 12:21 am
by RookieStar
RichCollab wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Xatticus wrote:If he wanted to be in contention for the top pick in the draft, then he should've played. He was more concerned with falling than rising.


I have to agree with this. This is like those games where a team up is playing not to lose trying to protect a lead over a team trying to win.

SS is trying to protect his spot from going down against hungrier competition by not playing. He isnt gonna try to raise his stock. Which is concerning because it means he has something to hide...


I feel Sharpe has played this right. He is going to get paid.


Oh def.. in a douchebag kind of way he did UK dirty while maintaining his top 10 spot... but barging in the coveted top 5? A team must feel reeeaaallly lucky to do so.

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 12:22 am
by RichCollab
RookieStar wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
I have to agree with this. This is like those games where a team up is playing not to lose trying to protect a lead over a team trying to win.

SS is trying to protect his spot from going down against hungrier competition by not playing. He isnt gonna try to raise his stock. Which is concerning because it means he has something to hide...


I feel Sharpe has played this right. He is going to get paid.


Oh def.. in a douchebag kind of way he did UK dirty while maintaining his top 10 spot... but barging in the coveted top 5? A team must feel reeeaaallly lucky to do so.


He is a kid I will give him a break on the past couple of months.

It’s a mystery. Is he Kobe? Or is he trash? I honestly don’t know.

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 12:28 am
by RookieStar
RichCollab wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
I feel Sharpe has played this right. He is going to get paid.


Oh def.. in a douchebag kind of way he did UK dirty while maintaining his top 10 spot... but barging in the coveted top 5? A team must feel reeeaaallly lucky to do so.


He is a kid I will give him a break on the past couple of months.

It’s a mystery. Is he Kobe? Or is he trash? I honestly don’t know.


Oh I dont mean him personally BUT his handlers. Now moving forward, is this gonna be another KP situation? Shabaz situation? Etc etc? Wherein he follows blindly bad advice from.handlers which butt heads with NBA teams?

As to SS the player... we also do not know cuz all we see are open gym workout. I mean YI supposedly demolished those chairs with his low post moves thatade MIL take him with their 5th pick.

All i can say is... 6'5 is good for a SG not so for the SF. He can jump but ao can guys like AG and Cole. What i do.not see is the quick twitch elite sgs like Kobe, Tmac, Ja , Ant and etc has... you can only see it in a 5 on 5 setting

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 12:30 am
by Def Swami
It's not like he won't be considered at all. Considering no one saw him play, he's basically resting his laurels on workouts and interviews. The Magic will get a chance to meet him and work him out and I expect them to at least do their due diligence.

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 1:03 am
by thelead
I'm still very intrigued but I think we should target a trade to try to land him.

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 1:41 am
by Skin
fateis007 wrote:Honestly, I didn't even want him with the 5th pick over Ivey. I am just not impressed by him. Is he uber athletic? Yep

But he looks slow with the ball, in those videos, and in game videos you can find. He just doesn't have that fast twitch speed you want to see in a guard to break down defenders.

Hell, if you watch his highschool clips he wasn't even getting by them.

I could be wrong, but there isn't much to go on and constantly using step backs makes me think it's because he can't get by and will have to bully.

I saw another poster compare him to aaron gordan/cole anthony. They look explosive with a runway, but with the ball, oh man.

Fast twitch in the NFL means something. In the NBA it means almost nothing. Doncic moves like molassas, but with his handle and size he can get where he wants and that means a lot more than speed/quick twitch. CP3 is probably the slowest PG in the NBA.
But he keeps the ball on a string. Sharpe has a handle that can help him breakdown defenders to create his own shot. Nothing about his handle gives me concern about his mobility with the ball being a crutch or getting the ball stolen away from him. Maybe you can show me your worry.

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 1:52 am
by RookieStar
Skin wrote:
fateis007 wrote:Honestly, I didn't even want him with the 5th pick over Ivey. I am just not impressed by him. Is he uber athletic? Yep

But he looks slow with the ball, in those videos, and in game videos you can find. He just doesn't have that fast twitch speed you want to see in a guard to break down defenders.

Hell, if you watch his highschool clips he wasn't even getting by them.

I could be wrong, but there isn't much to go on and constantly using step backs makes me think it's because he can't get by and will have to bully.

I saw another poster compare him to aaron gordan/cole anthony. They look explosive with a runway, but with the ball, oh man.

Fast twitch in the NFL means something. In the NBA it means almost nothing. Doncic moves like molassas, but with his handle and size he can get where he wants and that means a lot more than speed/quick twitch. CP3 is probably the slowest PG in the NBA.
But he keeps the ball on a string. Sharpe has a handle that can help him breakdown defenders to create his own shot. Nothing about his handle gives me concern about his mobility with the ball being a crutch or getting the ball stolen away from him. Maybe you can show me your worry.


I kinda disagree. If you are just 6'5 in shoes and you play the SG spot where you dont really tower over your competition, you better hope you have a Klay type of shooting game otherwise you are going to look like Harden now in the playoffs. You can't get through your man anymore and if the refs dont favor you, you will look washed.

Also, you mentioned handles... well dribbling in the ipen gym is different during games so I cant say he has that skill yet

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 1:57 am
by RookieStar
Skin wrote:
fateis007 wrote:Honestly, I didn't even want him with the 5th pick over Ivey. I am just not impressed by him. Is he uber athletic? Yep

But he looks slow with the ball, in those videos, and in game videos you can find. He just doesn't have that fast twitch speed you want to see in a guard to break down defenders.

Hell, if you watch his highschool clips he wasn't even getting by them.

I could be wrong, but there isn't much to go on and constantly using step backs makes me think it's because he can't get by and will have to bully.

I saw another poster compare him to aaron gordan/cole anthony. They look explosive with a runway, but with the ball, oh man.

Fast twitch in the NFL means something. In the NBA it means almost nothing. Doncic moves like molassas, but with his handle and size he can get where he wants and that means a lot more than speed/quick twitch. CP3 is probably the slowest PG in the NBA.
But he keeps the ball on a string. Sharpe has a handle that can help him breakdown defenders to create his own shot. Nothing about his handle gives me concern about his mobility with the ball being a crutch or getting the ball stolen away from him. Maybe you can show me your worry.


I kinda disagree. If you are just 6'5 in shoes and you play the SG spot where you dont really tower over your competition, you better hope you have a Klay type of shooting game otherwise you are going to look like Harden now in the playoffs. You can't get through your man anymore and if the refs dont favor you, you will look washed.

Also, you mentioned handles... well dribbling in the ipen gym is different during games so I cant say he has that skill yet

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 2:00 am
by Skin
Xatticus wrote:If he wanted to be in contention for the top pick in the draft, then he should've played. He was more concerned with falling than rising.

I think that has more to do with Calipari and his sneaky plan, than Sharpe. Going to UK doesn't exactly scream "I'm scared". ...and of the top guys at the combine who chose not to take measurables because of "fears of falling", Sharpe did not shy away.

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 2:03 am
by fateis007
Skin wrote:
fateis007 wrote:Honestly, I didn't even want him with the 5th pick over Ivey. I am just not impressed by him. Is he uber athletic? Yep

But he looks slow with the ball, in those videos, and in game videos you can find. He just doesn't have that fast twitch speed you want to see in a guard to break down defenders.

Hell, if you watch his highschool clips he wasn't even getting by them.

I could be wrong, but there isn't much to go on and constantly using step backs makes me think it's because he can't get by and will have to bully.

I saw another poster compare him to aaron gordan/cole anthony. They look explosive with a runway, but with the ball, oh man.

Fast twitch in the NFL means something. In the NBA it means almost nothing. Doncic moves like molassas, but with his handle and size he can get where he wants and that means a lot more than speed/quick twitch. CP3 is probably the slowest PG in the NBA.
But he keeps the ball on a string. Sharpe has a handle that can help him breakdown defenders to create his own shot. Nothing about his handle gives me concern about his mobility with the ball being a crutch or getting the ball stolen away from him. Maybe you can show me your worry.


You had me until you put CP3 into the mix. Dude was was a generational type talent and proved himself against real competition in college. Very few players can be his size and lead the league in steals and be such a great facilitator.

I am not saying the kid will be a bust. I am just saying, When you have proven talent, you don't go with the guy that dodged college. He is just not a top 5 pick. Ivey may have his flaws, but that dude is an absolute blur with the ball and would instantly be one of the fastest players in the league. If I am picking high, I want to know the player has proven himself against real competition.

Even Luka was playing pro at 13, there was no question if he could be an outlier and compensate for his lack of speed with all the other intangibles.

Re: The unfortunate case for Shaedon Sharpe

Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 2:05 am
by Skin
RookieStar wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
I have to agree with this. This is like those games where a team up is playing not to lose trying to protect a lead over a team trying to win.

SS is trying to protect his spot from going down against hungrier competition by not playing. He isnt gonna try to raise his stock. Which is concerning because it means he has something to hide...


I feel Sharpe has played this right. He is going to get paid.


Oh def.. in a douchebag kind of way he did UK dirty while maintaining his top 10 spot... but barging in the coveted top 5? A team must feel reeeaaallly lucky to do so.

Where are you getting the idea that Sharpe did not want to play? Maybe I'm missing something, but Calipari said he would play him if UK needed to. He said that Sharpe could play if UK sustained a lot of injuries.