Call up OKC? offer #1 for SGA?

[tiderulz]

Would you do it? with so many picks coming and all their youth, are they trying to reset? They dont look ready to compete for years down the road. at 23, SGA might not like his prime years would be wasted. in a year where the #1 pick doesnt have the same value as other years, could be an interesting use.

to me this would depend on Isaac's true health (even 20-25 mpg). Could resign Bamba for a palatable contract. Move Cole for a SF, use our 2nd rounders for SG/SF swings (maybe Leonard Miller, McGowens, Wendell Moore)

line up would be something like

Fultz/Suggs/RJ
SGA/Suggs/
Franz/Moore/Iggy
Isaac/Okeke/WCJ
WCJ/Bamba

sprinkle in some good free agent signings and could be an interesting team in the east.

with the draft awhile away, just a different topic than Chet vs Smith vs Banchero, which we will see for the next month.

[cedric76]

I would and i think okc would, sga s 30M extention doesn't fit what they r building

Not sure his contract fits what we r doing too

[JBSouthpaw]

Would you do it? with so many picks coming and all their youth, are they trying to reset? They dont look ready to compete for years down the road. at 23, SGA might not like his prime years would be wasted. in a year where the #1 pick doesnt have the same value as other years, could be an interesting use.

to me this would depend on Isaac's true health (even 20-25 mpg). Could resign Bamba for a palatable contract. Move Cole for a SF, use our 2nd rounders for SG/SF swings (maybe Leonard Miller, McGowens, Wendell Moore)

line up would be something like

Fultz/Suggs/RJ
SGA/Suggs/
Franz/Moore/Iggy
Isaac/Okeke/WCJ
WCJ/Bamba

sprinkle in some good free agent signings and could be an interesting team in the east.

with the draft awhile away, just a different topic than Chet vs Smith vs Banchero, which we will see for the next month.

IN A HEART BEAT.

[thelead]

Would you do it? with so many picks coming and all their youth, are they trying to reset? They dont look ready to compete for years down the road. at 23, SGA might not like his prime years would be wasted. in a year where the #1 pick doesnt have the same value as other years, could be an interesting use.

to me this would depend on Isaac's true health (even 20-25 mpg). Could resign Bamba for a palatable contract. Move Cole for a SF, use our 2nd rounders for SG/SF swings (maybe Leonard Miller, McGowens, Wendell Moore)

line up would be something like

Fultz/Suggs/RJ
SGA/Suggs/
Franz/Moore/Iggy
Isaac/Okeke/WCJ
WCJ/Bamba

sprinkle in some good free agent signings and could be an interesting team in the east.

with the draft awhile away, just a different topic than Chet vs Smith vs Banchero, which we will see for the next month.

I mentioned this trade yesterday in another thread. I think we would have to do this trade. The real question is, would OKC do it.

[Magicman125]

I'm hesitant, but out of any of the stars who seem possible to move to a different team, SGA is one of the ones I'm most intrigued by.

[Bergmaniac]

Of course I'd try, but there is no way OKC would agree. SGA is worth way more than the number one pick in a weak draft.

[cedric76]

Of course I'd try, but there is no way OKC would agree. SGA is worth way more than the number pick in a weak draft.

I thought so too but when you look at their Payroll, swapping SGA and his big contract for Chet makes a lot of sense

#1+ross+cole for SGA+Favors

They could draft Jabari+Chet (1+2)

Jabari+Chet+giddey+dort+poku+most of their players are under similar cheap contracts

Theo,cole,giddey,tre mann
Giddey,ross
Dort,#12
Jabari,poku,bazley
Chet,poku

+money to spend in FA + picks

[zaymon]

Nothing against SGA but I wouldnt move our nr 1 pick ( its so fun to even write it !). Thunder coach was moving the ball from SGA to Giddey more as the season rolled on. SGA was not very happy ( as you can expect), he said playing on ball is his prefered scenario. If he is not good enough to be main creator on the Thunder why we should pay the premium price ?

[VFX]

Kind of on the fence, but I like the idea of balancing out the roster by using the #1 pick as collateral.

A trade like this would be relying on Isaac's health and longevity, which I think is one of the least reliable things in the world.

SGA is a great prize but at a max deal he is undoubtedly who we are building around at that point. I like the idea of Suggs/SGA more than I do with Fultz.

The other side to this is timeframe. I believe Orlando is competing immediately with the proposed roster. They are probably out of talent acquisition mode if they round out the roster this way.

TLDR; probably not. I'd probably draft someone on a rookie deal and hunt for Simons or someone else in Free Agency.

[tiderulz]

Kind of on the fence, but I like the idea of balancing out the roster by using the #1 pick as collateral.

A trade like this would be relying on Isaac's health and longevity, which I think is one of the least reliable things in the world.

SGA is a great prize but at a max deal he is undoubtedly who we are building around at that point. I like the idea of Suggs/SGA more than I do with Fultz.

The other side to this is timeframe. I believe Orlando is competing immediately with the proposed roster. They are probably out of talent acquisition mode if they round out the roster this way.

TLDR; probably not. I'd probably draft someone on a rookie deal and hunt for Simons or someone else in Free Agency.

i did say it was partially dependent on Isaac's health. But with SGA, he is someone that could recruit another big name to join Orlando. being 23, has a lot of good years left. SGA to me, more proven, better defender, overall much better player than Simons and only a little more than 1 year older. Do you see Simons reaching SGA levels in a year? i dont

[VFX]

Kind of on the fence, but I like the idea of balancing out the roster by using the #1 pick as collateral.

A trade like this would be relying on Isaac's health and longevity, which I think is one of the least reliable things in the world.

SGA is a great prize but at a max deal he is undoubtedly who we are building around at that point. I like the idea of Suggs/SGA more than I do with Fultz.

The other side to this is timeframe. I believe Orlando is competing immediately with the proposed roster. They are probably out of talent acquisition mode if they round out the roster this way.

TLDR; probably not. I'd probably draft someone on a rookie deal and hunt for Simons or someone else in Free Agency.

i did say it was partially dependent on Isaac's health. But with SGA, he is someone that could recruit another big name to join Orlando. being 23, has a lot of good years left. SGA to me, more proven, better defender, overall much better player than Simons and only a little more than 1 year older. Do you see Simons reaching SGA levels in a year? i dont

Not necessarily. But I also don't consider Simons to be a max contract player like SGA. He's maybe a 2nd or 3rd option to Franz, or potentially whoever this pick pans out to be.

Having a #1 pick under lock for 7-8 years is an extremely valuable chip if they do indeed meet expectations.

Don't get me wrong, I like SGA A LOT. I think he's definitely capable of being a piece you can build around and this kind of trade is something the FO would obviously have to seriously consider.

[tiderulz]

Kind of on the fence, but I like the idea of balancing out the roster by using the #1 pick as collateral.

A trade like this would be relying on Isaac's health and longevity, which I think is one of the least reliable things in the world.

SGA is a great prize but at a max deal he is undoubtedly who we are building around at that point. I like the idea of Suggs/SGA more than I do with Fultz.

The other side to this is timeframe. I believe Orlando is competing immediately with the proposed roster. They are probably out of talent acquisition mode if they round out the roster this way.

TLDR; probably not. I'd probably draft someone on a rookie deal and hunt for Simons or someone else in Free Agency.

i did say it was partially dependent on Isaac's health. But with SGA, he is someone that could recruit another big name to join Orlando. being 23, has a lot of good years left. SGA to me, more proven, better defender, overall much better player than Simons and only a little more than 1 year older. Do you see Simons reaching SGA levels in a year? i dont

Not necessarily. But I also don't consider Simons to be a max contract player like SGA. He's maybe a 2nd or 3rd option to Franz, or potentially whoever this pick pans out to be.

Having a #1 pick under lock for 7-8 years is an extremely valuable chip if they do indeed meet expectations.

Don't get me wrong, I like SGA A LOT. I think he's definitely capable of being a piece you can build around and this kind of trade is something the FO would obviously have to seriously consider.

i guess the biggest thing is how you view SGA vs Chet/Smith/Banchero. every team needs a star, i think SGA could be that for us. then we have our star wing, just need to keep building.

SGA/Franz could be our Brown/Tatum

[VFX]

i did say it was partially dependent on Isaac's health. But with SGA, he is someone that could recruit another big name to join Orlando. being 23, has a lot of good years left. SGA to me, more proven, better defender, overall much better player than Simons and only a little more than 1 year older. Do you see Simons reaching SGA levels in a year? i dont

Not necessarily. But I also don't consider Simons to be a max contract player like SGA. He's maybe a 2nd or 3rd option to Franz, or potentially whoever this pick pans out to be.

Having a #1 pick under lock for 7-8 years is an extremely valuable chip if they do indeed meet expectations.

Don't get me wrong, I like SGA A LOT. I think he's definitely capable of being a piece you can build around and this kind of trade is something the FO would obviously have to seriously consider.

i guess the biggest thing is how you view SGA vs Chet/Smith/Banchero. every team needs a star, i think SGA could be that for us. then we have our star wing, just need to keep building.

SGA/Franz could be our Brown/Tatum

Yeah I'm not all that high on any of the 3 at the top AND I like SGA more than any of them.

That being said, I think it's a risk/reward of the FO pushing for even more if they strike rich with Chet/Jabari/Paolo, Franz, and throwing money at a Free Agent without completely overspending for a number of years.

Even then, there are a number of moves to be made to round out the roster and compete.

Maybe Im expecting too much from this FO, but the other side of the question is whether OKC would even do it. We know they love their draft picks.

[ogmagicfan]

I like SGA, but I'm not trading a #1 pick for him. The value of #1 is more than SGA and I'd rather keep the 1st this year.

Apart from the fact that OKC has shown interest in moving from SGA, I really doubt the price is that steep to begin with. I'd like to understand why OKC is so open to moving away from Shai as they've shown the past year or so. Seems they want to continue tanking and accumulate assets and don't see SGA as that alpha or part of their timeline, along with not wanting to pay him, but who knows. All I know if they're as willing as they've shown, there's no reason to give them about as valuable of an asset for someone they've been actively looking to move from rumors around the league.

This circumstance is putting alot of trust in Isaac coming back and being healthy, after being injured every season of his career, which would be nice, but is doubtful. I'd rather get our future PF with this #1 pick and package Isaac in a trade if he does end up being healthy with other picks for a star, rather than put all our chips into Isaac being healthy to have this kind of scenario make sense.

[tiderulz]

I like SGA, but I'm not trading a #1 pick for him. The value of #1 is more than SGA and I'd rather keep the 1st this year.

Apart from the fact that OKC has shown interest in moving from SGA, I really doubt the price is that steep to begin with. I'd like to understand why OKC is so open to moving away from Shai as they've shown the past year or so. Seems they want to continue tanking and accumulate assets and don't see SGA as that alpha or part of their timeline, along with not wanting to pay him, but who knows. All I know if they're as willing as they've shown, there's no reason to give them about as valuable of an asset for someone they've been actively looking to move from rumors around the league.

This circumstance is putting alot of trust in Isaac coming back and being healthy, after being injured every season of his career, which would be nice, but is doubtful. I'd rather get our future PF with this #1 pick and package Isaac in a trade if he does end up being healthy with other picks for a star, rather than put all our chips into Isaac being healthy to have this kind of scenario make sense.

Isaac wont bring you back a star though. like i said, this was just a fun thread for off season. I personally see SGA better than the top prospects in this draft, at a position of need at SG, young with plenty of prime years left, and someone that another star would want to play with along with Franz. #1 pick has value, but its watered down in a watered down draft. oh well, kept people busy for a couple of hours.

[ogmagicfan]

It just doesn't make sense to me, we're alot more than 1 piece away from contending, and we can make this kinda trade a year from now with other young players and draft pick assets we have while still keeping the #1 pick. Why force the issue?

Regularly when the #1 pick has been traded it was to move down. There have been 2 instances of teams trading the #1 pick for player/s.

The Cavs trading the 2014 #1 (Wiggins) for Love, which made sense since they were in win now mode with Bron/Kyrie.

1986 when the 76ers traded Brad Daughtery for Roy Hinson which made completely no sense (Pat Williams was their GM).

Apart from the #1 pick being a huge draw for publicity for the team to have attention which management loves and the Magic honestly need after 10 yrs of irrelevance.

[ogmagicfan]

I like SGA, but I'm not trading a #1 pick for him. The value of #1 is more than SGA and I'd rather keep the 1st this year.

Apart from the fact that OKC has shown interest in moving from SGA, I really doubt the price is that steep to begin with. I'd like to understand why OKC is so open to moving away from Shai as they've shown the past year or so. Seems they want to continue tanking and accumulate assets and don't see SGA as that alpha or part of their timeline, along with not wanting to pay him, but who knows. All I know if they're as willing as they've shown, there's no reason to give them about as valuable of an asset for someone they've been actively looking to move from rumors around the league.

This circumstance is putting alot of trust in Isaac coming back and being healthy, after being injured every season of his career, which would be nice, but is doubtful. I'd rather get our future PF with this #1 pick and package Isaac in a trade if he does end up being healthy with other picks for a star, rather than put all our chips into Isaac being healthy to have this kind of scenario make sense.

Isaac wont bring you back a star though. like i said, this was just a fun thread for off season. I personally see SGA better than the top prospects in this draft, at a position of need at SG, young with plenty of prime years left, and someone that another star would want to play with along with Franz. #1 pick has value, but its watered down in a watered down draft. oh well, kept people busy for a couple of hours.

I don't think the draft is as watered down as some posters have been saying, and SGA could end up being better than anyone in this draft, but in asset managment, if you can get a player of his caliber without trading a #1 pick you do it and teams have shown the ability to do so across the league so I don't feel like the Magic should have to overpay to do so, regardless of how "watered down" the draft is, it's the #1 pick and ability to draft whoever you want from this class.

Also I think it would take more than Isaac to make a trade for sure, and would also depend on him being healthy, but we have our 1st rounder next year that we can trade (top 3 protected), Chicago's pick next year, Denver's pick in 2025, and a number of young players that might not make the cut here but can still contribute elsewhere (Isaac, Okeke, Hampton, Cole, Bamba) that other teams have shown interest in, and pick swaps if necessary. That's alot better packages than a majority of teams in the league can offer

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/how-have-nba-teams-fared-when-trading-superstars

The article above gives a good look into stars who have been traded the past 5 years or so, throw in the James Harden trade which happened after, and all these packages are weaker than what we could offer for a star without trading the #1 this year.

Only the Anthony Davis trade was an example of a super package that surpassed what we could send, but Anthony Davis was seen as a player that could be the best in the league in the future and already top 5 and clearly that hasn't come to fruition due to injuries.

[Furinkazan]

I like it and I would do it
though I'd rather play him at PG and sign Dipo to be our SG
but its just a minor preference of mine

[Xatticus]

They offered SGA and the sixth pick last year to try to move up to first and the offer was rejected.

If OKC was as high on SGA as our board is, you'd think that they'd try to build something around him instead of tanking for a new centerpiece year after year.

[Nyce_1]

They offered SGA and the sixth pick last year to try to move up to first and the offer was rejected.

If OKC was as high on SGA as our board is, you'd think that they'd try to build something around him instead of tanking for a new centerpiece year after year.

to add, Thunder fans said he had a down/bad season last year.