tiderulz wrote:jonbob17 wrote:drsd wrote:
Conceptually, Robinson and Herro help the team grow, but Orlando would need a Brink's truck to resign them. I think both have an ego larger than their age and thus have a misguided view of their financial worth.
Look for example at the Heat - Magic idea, but make that applied to Utah. I very much like: Donovan Mitchell for
G/F Gary Harris, F Chuma Okeke, G Devin Cannady, 2023 First-Round Pick (ORL), 2025 First-Round Pick (ORL). Ross might need to be swapped in for Cannady for salary reasons. But that's the kind of consolidation trade Orlando profits from. (Heck, even swap Isaac for Okeke in the trade idea!)
Would they cost a lot to resign? I mean the most Herro is going to get is just about what Ayton got 4/133 (adjusted for new salary cap), 5 years if the team extends him before the deadline.
Personally I'd be a little wary of Herro at a max rookie extension, he may get it, but Iooking at last year's rookie extensions, I'd probably prefer JJJ (4/108) and Bridges (5/90) not even considering money. He will probably get the max based on his scoring, i am just not sure he's better than those guys, and I'd put him a good bit below SGA and a (healthy) MPJ
Duncan is 4+ years away from resigning and a somewhat negative contract at the moment. Honestly he might not be a bad guy to target. We could probably get him and something back for like Gary Harris. He's "only" 3/54 guaranteed, 4/64 total. Robinson still had 57% TS last year (same as Harris, best amongst our non-bigs). We have enough cap room to roll the dice on a guy like this and get some shooting back, and take a bet on him returning as an elite shooter.
HArris is a 2 way player. Robinson is a little better shooter but not good on defense. oh, and he is a year older than Harris (not a big deal, just surprised me). I am just way about a 1-way player that is good but not elite in that skill.
Harris is much worst shooter.
He is career 36% for 3 witch makes him definition of average nba shooter.
Duncan Robinson is career 40,6% three point shooter.
At first sight that difference doesn't sound like big deal, but 4,6% for 3 is difference for career between Steph Curry and some Evan Fournier or Christian Wood. It's massive one.
Not just that, Duncan Robinson in 4 years made more threes than Gary Harris in 9. So Duncan has ability to make shots at higher clip and at much higher volumen.
IN addition, Harris in his entire career never made more than 6 threes in single game. Duncan Robinson made more than 6 threes three different times in playoffs alone
In general, Gary Harris was never ment to be "spot up shooter", for career 2 point shots make 57% of all shots Gary Harris took, where Duncan Robinson averages 13,5% of all shots for 2 lol.
Gary Harris is dude who was always viewed as some Bradley Beal arhytype, somebody who can make 3s at high rate, but who's game is more well rounded, but after year 4 his body gave up on him and all driving, long 2s , attacking rim had to be replaced by overhouling his whole game.
During his 3rd year for example, 40% of all shots were inside 3 feet ( layups , dunks) , 20% of shots were mid range, 40% were for 3.
But his injuries forced him to change everything, so now , for example last year, he averaged 15% FGA inside 3 feet, but 55% of all shots for 3.
Neither are playable on contenders for long period of times. Duncan Robinson is just more reliable shooter, better player off ball ( constant movment) and has ability to get super hot.
Gary Harris plays okey defense but won't lock down anybody but that's not issue. Issue is fact that he hasn't been healthy in half of decade and you expect to have him for like 40-60 game a year.