The Jalen Suggs Thread

[Petre1978]

He plays QB on offense and something between a cornerback and a free safety on defense.
He’s a hustler and a great passer.

I like this comp better than Smart or Holiday because those guys are lockdown individual defenders but Suggs is more of an off the charts team defender who rotates incredibly well and is a constant danger in the passing lanes.

He’s stopped having those 3/13 shooting nights and has really settled into an unselfish role on offense.
I’ve had to adjust expectations because he’s not at all what I expected but Suggs feels like a winning piece and a long term part of our second unit.

[cedric76]

Marcus smart 2.0

Perfect for what we r building

[drsd]

Marcus smart 2.0

Perfect for what we r building

Right now he is Smart 0.8. He needs a software upgrade to get out of his beta-test mode!


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[Skybox]

I'm betting on him to continue his ascendance as a more efficient, if limited, offensive player. In the meantime, he'd be a solid fit right now if we had a "Lead Guard" type who could create with the ball and, most significantly - spread the floor on a high volume...I'd consider Suggs the PG, but understand his present limitations...this is why I like Simons or would have chased Jordan Poole prior to his extension. FVV is also, potentially, a good option because he can play either backcourt role very well. FVV could clearly be the team's QB with Suggs able to play a more limited offensive role but still provide that exceptional defense while he matures his game. FVV has the skill set to ultimately slide into more of a designated scoring role (like he did with Lowry) and play off of Suggs if and when that transition becomes desirable...I'm generally nervous about 'combo guards' because it might mean not really solid at either spot or "SG in a PG's body", but I think FVV and Suggs could both potentially be the real thing and be complementary.

My best comparison is Jrue...acknowledging that the offensive side is a work in progress, but it's not like Suggs is afraid of offense (like, say Simmons), he just needs to tighten it up.

[jonbob17]

Suggs defense might be good enough to keep him in a rotation even if his offense doesn't improve at all. I think it's kind of silly to think it won't. He's a fine athlete. He doesn't have a whole lot to his game right now. If he can learn some craft and fix the shot he's really good.

I have heard people say we should trade Suggs for a half a year of VanVleet, also heard them say we'd have to add a pick to it. Come on now, Suggs still has a ton of potential, frankly if he just learns to shoot he is super valuable. If he doesn't shoot there are still avenues for him to become at least neutral on offense and with his defense he's a good player.

If we move Suggs, and we could, it better part of a deal bringing back a top 15 point guard, or a really strong scoring guard. Guys don't peak at 21. Magic have a responsibility to these young guys and help them develop.

I'd rather keep these young guys and see what happens and throw $85M over 2 years at Kyrie Irving. It would take some maneuvering, but why not. Use Suggs as a 24 minute a game super sub. That way we can start competing as soon as next year, while we keep these young guys improving on a trajectory that aligns with Franz and Paolo's peak years. Kyrie looked a little more attainable at the beginning of the season, but he could probably use a little extra $ on a short term deal given the money he has given up the last few years... i am just not considering Suggs for VanVleet's bird rights. Frankly if FVV is the front office's target I would rather just them leak that we are prepared to go high on FVV in free agency, I'd rather pay FVV an extra $5M a year then give up a guy like Suggs just for the opportunity to keep one team out of the bidding process.

[eyriq]

We have a pretty craptastic guard rotation all things considered. The main positive is that outside of Harris they are all young. The break in case of an emergency option is Franz playing the position. I actually really love this scenario as we double down on our size advantage.

[UnFadeable21]

Is Suggs available for trade?

What do Magic fans think of D’Angelo Russell for Suggs & Isaac?

DLo is expiring $30 million and is current averaging 18-6-3. He’s 26 years old and one time all star.

Would his expiring money give the Magic a max cap space for a free agent to join your core of Pablo and Franz?

Wolves problem is that they can’t afford to pay him since we are gonna have to max Anthony Edwards and extend Jaden McDaniels near Mikal Bridges salary.

[VFX]

Is Suggs available for trade?

What do Magic fans think of D’Angelo Russell for Suggs & Isaac?

DLo is expiring $30 million and is current averaging 18-6-3. He’s 26 years old and one time all star.

Would his expiring money give the Magic a max cap space for a free agent to join your core of Pablo and Franz?

Wolves problem is that they can’t afford to pay him since we are gonna have to max Anthony Edwards and extend Jaden McDaniels near Mikal Bridges salary.

Terrible trade for Orlando.

Suggs is on a rookie deal and only 75 games under his belt.

Both he and Isaac have more value to Orlando than expiring money.

Also, the money doesn't add up. They would sooner have to trade Fultz (16.5m) and Isaac (17.4m), Neither of which are expiring, to get to Russell (31.3m)

[Nyce_1]

Is Suggs available for trade?

What do Magic fans think of D’Angelo Russell for Suggs & Isaac?

DLo is expiring $30 million and is current averaging 18-6-3. He’s 26 years old and one time all star.

Would his expiring money give the Magic a max cap space for a free agent to join your core of Pablo and Franz?

Wolves problem is that they can’t afford to pay him since we are gonna have to max Anthony Edwards and extend Jaden McDaniels near Mikal Bridges salary.

No thank you. Wouldn't even do either player for DLo straight up, let alone pairing them together. Orl is patient enough to still see what's there with both guys.

[fendilim]

Is Suggs available for trade?

What do Magic fans think of D’Angelo Russell for Suggs & Isaac?

DLo is expiring $30 million and is current averaging 18-6-3. He’s 26 years old and one time all star.

Would his expiring money give the Magic a max cap space for a free agent to join your core of Pablo and Franz?

Wolves problem is that they can’t afford to pay him since we are gonna have to max Anthony Edwards and extend Jaden McDaniels near Mikal Bridges salary.

LOL.

We can just sign dlo in the offseason, if we wanted him lol why give up isaac and suggs? Lol

[UnFadeable21]

Is Suggs available for trade?

What do Magic fans think of D’Angelo Russell for Suggs & Isaac?

DLo is expiring $30 million and is current averaging 18-6-3. He’s 26 years old and one time all star.

Would his expiring money give the Magic a max cap space for a free agent to join your core of Pablo and Franz?

Wolves problem is that they can’t afford to pay him since we are gonna have to max Anthony Edwards and extend Jaden McDaniels near Mikal Bridges salary.

LOL.

We can just sign dlo in the offseason, if we wanted him lol why give up isaac and suggs? Lol

I saw that you guys had a log jam at the 4/5

Center: Wendell Carter Jr, Moe Wagner, Mo Bamba
Power Forward: Pablo Banchero, Bol Bol, Chuma Okele

So losing Issac wouldn’t hurt ya too much and his injury history so thought he would be the least valuable

[UnFadeable21]

Is Suggs available for trade?

What do Magic fans think of D’Angelo Russell for Suggs & Isaac?

DLo is expiring $30 million and is current averaging 18-6-3. He’s 26 years old and one time all star.

Would his expiring money give the Magic a max cap space for a free agent to join your core of Pablo and Franz?

Wolves problem is that they can’t afford to pay him since we are gonna have to max Anthony Edwards and extend Jaden McDaniels near Mikal Bridges salary.

No thank you. Wouldn't even do either player for DLo straight up, let alone pairing them together. Orl is patient enough to still see what's there with both guys.

DLo is actually having a hell of a season

With almost 50-40-90 split

He showing 46 from the field, 38 from 3 and 86 from FT.

We just can’t afford him at his currently salary.
There’s been rumors that the Heat offered us Lowry for DLo straight up but we declined.

Also FVV for DLo swap rumors.

[UnFadeable21]

Orlando Magic

Shooting: The Magic have a lot of things going for them this season, but shooting is not one of them. They ranked 20th in the NBA in 3-point shooting percentage as of Tuesday morning, and just two guys in their top nine in minutes per game are hitting at least 38 percent of their 3s. Those two, Gary Harris and Terrence Ross, can hardly be called core pieces. It hurts, too, that their top point guard options — Markelle Fultz, Cole Anthony and Jalen Suggs — are all below average shooters. If Orlando can find shooters, it’ll make life easier for Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner, as well as take advantage of Banchero’s great passing skills. — Mike Vorkunov

What every NBA Team Needs - The Athletic

[fendilim]

Is Suggs available for trade?

What do Magic fans think of D’Angelo Russell for Suggs & Isaac?

DLo is expiring $30 million and is current averaging 18-6-3. He’s 26 years old and one time all star.

Would his expiring money give the Magic a max cap space for a free agent to join your core of Pablo and Franz?

Wolves problem is that they can’t afford to pay him since we are gonna have to max Anthony Edwards and extend Jaden McDaniels near Mikal Bridges salary.

LOL.

We can just sign dlo in the offseason, if we wanted him lol why give up isaac and suggs? Lol

I saw that you guys had a log jam at the 4/5

Center: Wendell Carter Jr, Moe Wagner, Mo Bamba
Power Forward: Pablo Banchero, Bol Bol, Chuma Okele

So losing Issac wouldn’t hurt ya too much and his injury history so thought he would be the least valuable

Yeah but isaac is only guaranteed 7.6m next year, and I don’t think the Magic will dump him for salary relief. Team waited for him to come back after 28 months. I think the team values him and his performance in limited minutes has been promising.

[UnFadeable21]

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Dlo is only 26 years old. I like him but we can’t afford him after this season.

[fendilim]

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Dlo is only 26 years old. I like him but we can’t afford him after this season.

I think the ship has sailed on dlo.

I remember the magic were interested in acquiring him when he was in brooklyn. But I dont think he is worth it anymore

[Def Swami]

I'll admit I was one of the bigger Suggs fans in the 2021 Draft. I watched a lot of those Gonzaga games and became a huge fan ever since the Maui Invitational. I never saw him as a lead playmaker who could average 8+ assists a game, but someone who could be a jack of all trades. I think a version of Jrue Holiday was always my hopes for him. I've been trying to reconcile my impressions of Gonzaga Suggs with Magic Suggs.

He's been way better as a defender than I anticipated. I think his playmaking is about where I thought it would be. I never thought he was a lead playmaker in the mold of someone like Tyrese Haliburton, but he always seemed like an off-guard that could make good reads and passes. And that's the role he played at Gonzaga, with Andrew Nembhard taking on more of the lead guard role. I think what also went underrated about Suggs is he was probably the 4th most important player on that Zags team, behind Timme, Kispert, and Nembhard. He thrived as their off ball guard who could float in and out and pick his spots with the others carrying the scoring load. I think him being the lone player for the Zags to show up in that Championship game against Baylor was all I needed to know that he was head and shoulders above everyone else and ready for the league.

The biggest thing that stood out to me in Suggs' first 1.5 seasons is the shooting. He's a way worse shooter than I anticipated. The 33% from deep at Gonzaga didn't worry me as much given the kind of 3's he was taking and making and the 75% from the free throw line. I really think Suggs' shooting struggles is the impetus for his spiral. The defenses don't respect his shot, they play deep off him, and he's not athletic/fast/crafty enough to finish as well over the longer and stronger defenders in the NBA. I think the shooting struggles have made him second guess himself out there at times. There was a point where it looked like he was overthinking every decision and it started impacting him as a playmaker. I think it really got in his head. And if you can't shoot, I'm not sure you can play shooting guard. And if you can't shoot, I think you have to be an elite passer and playmaker to be passable as a point guard, which he is not. So what is he?

And yet, it always feels like he's making a positive impact when he's out there. It never impacts his energy and effort on the defensive end. Perhaps I have to readjust my expectations for Suggs. His start feels very similar to Marcus Smart. Smart was a miserably inefficient offensive player the first several seasons of his career and still isn't the best shooter. But, he's capable. More importantly, he's an amazing defender and is a good ball mover for a contending team. There's real value in that. Smart is also perhaps the 3rd or 4th most important player on that roster, and maybe that's Suggs' destiny.

I've really liked Suggs off the bench with Anthony. I don't think every young player needs to start in order to develop and meet their potential. I think the lineups they play with are important as well. I think it gives Anthony and Suggs a chance to find their games against opposing bench units.

I've been super disappointed with Suggs since the draft, but I've always respected the him. Especially after that Chicago game earlier this year where he sprains his ankle and kept playing his ass off. For a team that just loses players every other week for random ailments, he's always trying his best to get out there and play (sometimes to his detriment ) He plays with so much heart. He's in his opponent's jersey all game. He can be 2-10 on the night and he's still giving 110%. He reminds me of Isaac in that respect.

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I'm nowhere ready to give up on him. I think I just have to readjust my expectations. I think if he can get his shooting together, I think you'll see the rest of his game open up. He was recovering from injury most of this past off-season. His whole career has been marred by injury to this point. I think he just needs to be healthy and play. I never thought he would be a superstar savior for the Magic. I think that draft realistically had 2 of those players in Cade Cunningham and Evan Mobley. Even Green, who's an amazing athlete and scorer and may get there, leaves a lot to be desired. I still think there's a path for Suggs to get to where a player like Marcus Smart is, and an outside chance of where someone like Jrue Holiday is. We also have to accept how impatient we all are as fans to some extent. The kid is 21 years old and has played only 75 NBA games. So many of his comps - Jrue Holiday, Marcus Smart, Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley, Chauncey Billups - took time and patience to develop. None of those guys are saving your franchise, but they can be the starting point guard of championship-level teams. There's also a chance that this is what he is and that's it.

The only 2 untouchable players on this team are Banchero and Wagner. And I think we're on their time. So every decision has to come down to how do we maximize those 2 guys' strengths. Ideally, we need more shooting around those 2 players. And Suggs is just going to have to get better in that respect to play more minutes on this team. We have a bottom 5 back court in the NBA right now with no starting caliber guards. I don't think it's unreasonable to see the development through with Suggs. Of the Fultz/Suggs/Anthony trio, Suggs is the one I'm most high on becoming a winning player on a good team long term. But, you have to give something to get something. And if there's a trade out there that makes sense to upgrade the back court that better fits Banchero and Wagner, then I think you'd have to look at it. I also think we got time. It's year 2 of a rebuild and we got 2 cornerstones to build around, which is the hardest hurdle to clear.

[eyriq]

I'll admit I was one of the bigger Suggs fans in the 2021 Draft. I watched a lot of those Gonzaga games and became a huge fan ever since the Maui Invitational. I never saw him as a lead playmaker who could average 8+ assists a game, but someone who could be a jack of all trades. I think a version of Jrue Holiday was always my hopes for him. I've been trying to reconcile my impressions of Gonzaga Suggs with Magic Suggs.

He's been way better as a defender than I anticipated. I think his playmaking is about where I thought it would be. I never thought he was a lead playmaker in the mold of someone like Tyrese Haliburton, but he always seemed like an off-guard that could make good reads and passes. And that's the role he played at Gonzaga, with Andrew Nembhard taking on more of the lead guard role. I think what also went underrated about Suggs is he was probably the 4th most important player on that Zags team, behind Timme, Kispert, and Nembhard. He thrived as their off ball guard who could float in and out and pick his spots with the others carrying the scoring load. I think him being the lone player for the Zags to show up in that Championship game against Baylor was all I needed to know that he was head and shoulders above everyone else and ready for the league.

The biggest thing that stood out to me in Suggs' first 1.5 seasons is the shooting. He's a way worse shooter than I anticipated. The 33% from deep at Gonzaga didn't worry me as much given the kind of 3's he was taking and making and the 75% from the free throw line. I really think Suggs' shooting struggles is the impetus for his spiral. The defenses don't respect his shot, they play deep off him, and he's not athletic/fast/crafty enough to finish as well over the longer and stronger defenders in the NBA. I think the shooting struggles have made him second guess himself out there at times. There was a point where it looked like he was overthinking every decision and it started impacting him as a playmaker. I think it really got in his head. And if you can't shoot, I'm not sure you can play shooting guard. And if you can't shoot, I think you have to be an elite passer and playmaker to be passable as a point guard, which he is not. So what is he?

And yet, it always feels like he's making a positive impact when he's out there. It never impacts his energy and effort on the defensive end. Perhaps I have to readjust my expectations for Suggs. His start feels very similar to Marcus Smart. Smart was a miserably inefficient offensive player the first several seasons of his career and still isn't the best shooter. But, he's capable. More importantly, he's an amazing defender and is a good ball mover for a contending team. There's real value in that. Smart is also perhaps the 3rd or 4th most important player on that roster, and maybe that's Suggs' destiny.

I've really liked Suggs off the bench with Anthony. I don't think every young player needs to start in order to develop and meet their potential. I think the lineups they play with are important as well. I think it gives Anthony and Suggs a chance to find their games against opposing bench units.

I've been super disappointed with Suggs since the draft, but I've always respected the him. Especially after that Chicago game earlier this year where he sprains his ankle and kept playing his ass off. For a team that just loses players every other week for random ailments, he's always trying his best to get out there and play (sometimes to his detriment ) He plays with so much heart. He's in his opponent's jersey all game. He can be 2-10 on the night and he's still giving 110%. He reminds me of Isaac in that respect.

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=AllBall

I'm nowhere ready to give up on him. I think if he can get his shooting together, I think you'll see the rest of his game open up. He was recovering from injury most of this past off-season. His whole career has been marred by injury to this point. I think he just needs to be healthy and play. I never thought he would be a superstar savior for the Magic. I think that draft realistically had 2 of those players in Cade Cunningham and Evan Mobley. Even Green, who's an amazing athlete and scorer and may get there, leaves a lot to be desired. I still think there's a path for Suggs to get to where a player like Marcus Smart is, and an outside chance of where someone like Jrue Holiday is. We also have to accept how impatient we all are as fans to some extent. The kid is 21 years old and has played only 75 NBA games. So many of his comps - Jrue Holiday, Marcus Smart, Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley, Chauncey Billups - took time and patience to develop. None of those guys are saving your franchise, but they can be the starting point guard of championship-level teams.

The only 2 untouchable players on this team are Banchero and Wagner. And I think we're on their time. So every decision has to come down to how do we maximize those 2 guys' strengths. Ideally, we need more shooting around those 2 players. And Suggs is just going to have to get better in that respect to play more minutes on this team. We have a bottom 5 back court in the NBA right now with no starting caliber guards. I don't think it's unreasonable to see the development through with Suggs. Of the Fultz/Suggs/Anthony trio, Suggs is the one I'm most high on becoming a winning player on a good team long term. But, you have to give something to get something. And if there's a trade out there that makes sense to upgrade the back court that better fits Banchero and Wagner, then I think you'd have to look at it. I also think we got time. It's year 2 of a rebuild and we got 2 cornerstones to build around, which is the hardest hurdle to clear.

I don't know that this translates into three point shooting for a fact but one thing that seems promising to me is his FG% on deep twos. He's better than 90% of the league's point guards. He's garbage from the free throw line though. I think him developing a serviceable three point shot is a long shot at this point.

[Tarheel]

Suggs has played less than 80 games and a fair few of those have been sub-20 mpg. He needs a lot longer on the floor before we make declarations about what he can and can't be, IMO

[MasterGMer]

To me, I'd start Suggs and let him play more meaningful minutes on the court to develop his game. He shot 2 for 4 from 3s tonight against 76ers and his defense is scary.

To me, Magic is in an odd situation at our backcourts. Some said we needed to trade Harris yet Harris is top 5 in effective shooting percentage right now. Some said we needed to trade Fultz. Yet Fultz was 7 for 11 from the floor tonight. Some said we do not need Cole, yet Cole's game impacts winning directly. So who to give up?

To me, we need to start Suggs and let him play more to develop. Suggs is the one who can impact winning by himself and he needs more PT plus he has the highest ceiling among all Guards.

If Magic wants to turn the corner and become a deep playoff team, we need to start changing direction and invest in the most impactful player NOW