Is Fred VanFleet still on the agenda?

[MasterGMer]

I dont think you are wrong. We almost made the playins, while being very injured for over 1/4 of the season. Taking internal development into account we have good chance we will make playoffs even without any major moves. Does picking 12 instead of 17 is really that important to us right now ?
We wont be winning it all next season, but we have very few reasons to force being bad. Signing somebody right now is practically free money. It will be different when Franz extension kicks in, but thats in the future.
We want as much professionalism in our club as possible. Developing fringe NBA players over exposing potential stars to winning is not worth it imo. If we can sign good veterans we should do it. I want to hear one good argument why we shouldnt do it.

Because we have to get ready for an overpay of Paolo and Franz. If we do that now with FVV making 30M or more, what is the cap situation like when Franz and Paolo's Rookie Extensions are due? Do not forget, we still have Cole, Suggs, and Fultz plus even Wendell in 2 or 3 years down the line. We do not have to over spend now.

26-27
Paolo $35m
FVV $26m on a descending deal.
Franz $35m
Suggs $10m-$15m descending
Cole $10m-$15m descending
WCJ $15m
6th pick $7m
11 pick $5m

A low estimate for the cap would be $155m, and the luxury tax $187m. That would give us $34m-$44m to stay under the tax and pay 7 more players. All the second round picks that we've been kicking down the road might come in handy then to fill out the roster.

The Magic could be looking to add FVV to a 3-yr deal to avoid coming close to the luxury tax in 26-27.

If FVV wasn't good at that point, you could trade him or amnesty him and pay $6.5m.

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No way Suggs and Cole are only 10-15M, absolutely no way.

[tiderulz]

Because we have to get ready for an overpay of Paolo and Franz. If we do that now with FVV making 30M or more, what is the cap situation like when Franz and Paolo's Rookie Extensions are due? Do not forget, we still have Cole, Suggs, and Fultz plus even Wendell in 2 or 3 years down the line. We do not have to over spend now.

26-27
Paolo $35m
FVV $26m on a descending deal.
Franz $35m
Suggs $10m-$15m descending
Cole $10m-$15m descending
WCJ $15m
6th pick $7m
11 pick $5m

A low estimate for the cap would be $155m, and the luxury tax $187m. That would give us $34m-$44m to stay under the tax and pay 7 more players. All the second round picks that we've been kicking down the road might come in handy then to fill out the roster.

The Magic could be looking to add FVV to a 3-yr deal to avoid coming close to the luxury tax in 26-27.

If FVV wasn't good at that point, you could trade him or amnesty him and pay $6.5m.

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No way Suggs and Cole are only 10-15M, absolutely no way.

i wouldnt pay Cole more than $15mil unless he shows a lot more next year. And Suggs hasnt shown to be worth more than $15mil right now.

[drsd]

If the Lakers make a run at VanVleet, I see Orlando as completely out of that competition. And then Russell makes more sense in Toronto than Orlando.

Very quickly the "best" UFAs could be Dennis Smith and Dennis Schröder.

In Fultz we trust!

[basketballRob]

If the Lakers make a run at VanVleet, I see Orlando as completely out of that competition. And then Russell makes more sense in Toronto than Orlando.

Very quickly the "best" UFAs could be Dennis Smith and Dennis Schröder.

In Fultz we trust!

I think Reaves would rather make $25m next season. If the Lakers signed and traded him, they could only sign him to $14m next season. I don't see any way they could sign and trade him, and Toronto doesn't have cap space. So he won't be playing in Toronto next season.

My guess is that Reaves will sign with a team that has space, and it might not be a guarantee that the Lakers match.



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[drsd]

I think Reaves would rather make $25m next season. If the Lakers signed and traded him, they could only sign him to $14m next season. I don't see any way they could sign and trade him, and Toronto doesn't have cap space. So he won't be playing in Toronto next season.

My guess is that Reaves will sign with a team that has space, and it might not be a guarantee that the Lakers match.

This is the contract the Magic can offer Reaves:
Year 1: $11.4 million
Year 2: $11.9 million
Year 3: $36.8 million
Year 4: $38.5 million

I prefer that to offering VanVleet some 120-140M over four years; by a wide, wide margin.

If there was a poll to VanVleet vs. Reaves, I would expect VanVleet to win, but I would 100% be a Reaves vote, in part becasue of how palatable a "max" contract is for him.

[Skybox]

I think Reaves would rather make $25m next season. If the Lakers signed and traded him, they could only sign him to $14m next season. I don't see any way they could sign and trade him, and Toronto doesn't have cap space. So he won't be playing in Toronto next season.

My guess is that Reaves will sign with a team that has space, and it might not be a guarantee that the Lakers match.

This is the contract the Magic can offer Reaves:
Year 1: $11.4 million
Year 2: $11.9 million
Year 3: $36.8 million
Year 4: $38.5 million

I prefer that to offering VanVleet some 120-140M over four years; by a wide, wide margin.

If there was a poll to VanVleet vs. Reaves, I would expect VanVleet to win, but I would 100% be a Reaves vote, in part becasue of how palatable a "max" contract is for him.

THAT, IMO, is much much worse structurally than any kind of front-loaded FVV (or anyone deal)...right when we're throwing possible max extensions at our main guys, Reaves goes from reasonable role-player to untradeable "worst deal in the league" candidate...even if he's playing well. $25/year would be worthy of debate for Reaves, but this structure is a death sentence for ORL, IMO.

We've got money to burn at the moment, while our best guys are still on light rookie deals.

[basketballRob]

I think Reaves would rather make $25m next season. If the Lakers signed and traded him, they could only sign him to $14m next season. I don't see any way they could sign and trade him, and Toronto doesn't have cap space. So he won't be playing in Toronto next season.

My guess is that Reaves will sign with a team that has space, and it might not be a guarantee that the Lakers match.

This is the contract the Magic can offer Reaves:
Year 1: $11.4 million
Year 2: $11.9 million
Year 3: $36.8 million
Year 4: $38.5 million

I prefer that to offering VanVleet some 120-140M over four years; by a wide, wide margin.

If there was a poll to VanVleet vs. Reaves, I would expect VanVleet to win, but I would 100% be a Reaves vote, in part becasue of how palatable a "max" contract is for him.

The Magic can offer him a front-loaded contract, they just can't pay more than $98m for 4 years. The Lakers are the only team limited to what they can pay him the next two seasons.

So he has to choose if he wants $14m next season or possibly $28m in a front-loaded deal. I think it's more beneficial to get your money early so you can invest it.



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[MasterGMer]

I think Reaves would rather make $25m next season. If the Lakers signed and traded him, they could only sign him to $14m next season. I don't see any way they could sign and trade him, and Toronto doesn't have cap space. So he won't be playing in Toronto next season.

My guess is that Reaves will sign with a team that has space, and it might not be a guarantee that the Lakers match.

This is the contract the Magic can offer Reaves:
Year 1: $11.4 million
Year 2: $11.9 million
Year 3: $36.8 million
Year 4: $38.5 million

I prefer that to offering VanVleet some 120-140M over four years; by a wide, wide margin.

If there was a poll to VanVleet vs. Reaves, I would expect VanVleet to win, but I would 100% be a Reaves vote, in part becasue of how palatable a "max" contract is for him.

The Magic can offer him a front-loaded contract, they just can't pay more than $98m for 4 years. The Lakers are the only team limited to what they can pay him the next two seasons.

So he has to choose if he wants $14m next season or possibly $28m in a front-loaded deal. I think it's more beneficial to get your money early so you can invest it.



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I think this would be disastrous.

What if we keep Reaves in his 3rd or 4th year? Along with Franz and Paolo's Rookie Max Extension, what will be the cap situation then?

Luxury tax? Second Apron?

[basketballRob]

This is the contract the Magic can offer Reaves:
Year 1: $11.4 million
Year 2: $11.9 million
Year 3: $36.8 million
Year 4: $38.5 million

I prefer that to offering VanVleet some 120-140M over four years; by a wide, wide margin.

If there was a poll to VanVleet vs. Reaves, I would expect VanVleet to win, but I would 100% be a Reaves vote, in part becasue of how palatable a "max" contract is for him.

The Magic can offer him a front-loaded contract, they just can't pay more than $98m for 4 years. The Lakers are the only team limited to what they can pay him the next two seasons.

So he has to choose if he wants $14m next season or possibly $28m in a front-loaded deal. I think it's more beneficial to get your money early so you can invest it.



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I think this would be disastrous.

What if we keep Reaves in his 3rd or 4th year? Along with Franz and Paolo's Rookie Max Extension, what will be the cap situation then?

Luxury tax? Second Apron?

Not if the Magic paid Reaves a descending deal with him getting around $23m in his 4th year.

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[tiderulz]

The Magic can offer him a front-loaded contract, they just can't pay more than $98m for 4 years. The Lakers are the only team limited to what they can pay him the next two seasons.

So he has to choose if he wants $14m next season or possibly $28m in a front-loaded deal. I think it's more beneficial to get your money early so you can invest it.



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I think this would be disastrous.

What if we keep Reaves in his 3rd or 4th year? Along with Franz and Paolo's Rookie Max Extension, what will be the cap situation then?

Luxury tax? Second Apron?

Not if the Magic paid Reaves a descending deal with him getting around $23m in his 4th year.

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I think Orlando gets to spread the average out over 4 years. its LA that would take the hit in years 3 & 4.

[orlando_joe]

26-27
Paolo $35m
FVV $26m on a descending deal.
Franz $35m
Suggs $10m-$15m descending
Cole $10m-$15m descending
WCJ $15m
6th pick $7m
11 pick $5m

A low estimate for the cap would be $155m, and the luxury tax $187m. That would give us $34m-$44m to stay under the tax and pay 7 more players. All the second round picks that we've been kicking down the road might come in handy then to fill out the roster.

The Magic could be looking to add FVV to a 3-yr deal to avoid coming close to the luxury tax in 26-27.

If FVV wasn't good at that point, you could trade him or amnesty him and pay $6.5m.

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No way Suggs and Cole are only 10-15M, absolutely no way.

i wouldnt pay Cole more than $15mil unless he shows a lot more next year. And Suggs hasnt shown to be worth more than $15mil right now.

by the time suggs next contract 15 mill will be mle also think last 2 -3 yrs cole will be real close ..cap 10% increase moves mle about 1 mill a yr right?

[orlando_joe]

if my math is right when suggs contract starts at 10% mle increase mle will be 14,15.5,17,almost 19
so anthony starts 1 yr sooner so ends at 17 a yr i see a solid 6th man as a bit higher then mle...some poole and hero getting over 30 a yr now paying 3 mill over mle is not out of question but could be outstanding value by then?

[MagicLover]

I sure hope not, VanFleet is overrated

[Residual-Heat]

Rumors about Philly wanting FVV if they lose Harden.

[eyriq]

Rumors about Philly wanting FVV if they lose Harden.

FVV is the primary alternative to extending Fultz. The other is trading up to draft Scoot. Low key alternatives are drafting Wallace, Black, or Amen.

The world where we extend Fultz does not have us landing FVV in free agency or Scoot in a trade.

MagicMatic fandom watch about to heat up

[zaymon]

Rumors about Philly wanting FVV if they lose Harden.

FVV is the primary alternative to extending Fultz. The other is trading up to draft Scoot. Low key alternatives are drafting Wallace, Black, or Amen.

The world where we extend Fultz does not have us landing FVV in free agency or Scoot in a trade.

MagicMatic fandom watch about to heat up

Wallace, Bufkin or Podziemski could also help, but i doubt they would start over Suggs.
I dont know why people forget we have Suggs. We also dont need full time point guard becouse we have Franz and Paolo. Shooting, defense, pnr offense is good enough.

[eyriq]

Rumors about Philly wanting FVV if they lose Harden.

FVV is the primary alternative to extending Fultz. The other is trading up to draft Scoot. Low key alternatives are drafting Wallace, Black, or Amen.

The world where we extend Fultz does not have us landing FVV in free agency or Scoot in a trade.

MagicMatic fandom watch about to heat up

Wallace, Bufkin or Podziemski could also help, but i doubt they would start over Suggs.
I dont know why people forget we have Suggs. We also dont need full time point guard becouse we have Franz and Paolo. Shooting, defense, pnr offense is good enough.

Great point. Suggs developing into a lead guard is something I completely overlooked. That is an alternative as well.

Developments that preclude a Fultz extension:

Signing FVV
Trading for Scoot
Suggs developing into a lead guard in year 3

Developments that endanger a Fultz extension:
Drafting Black, Amen, or Wallace + other fringe options

[Skybox]

FVV is the primary alternative to extending Fultz. The other is trading up to draft Scoot. Low key alternatives are drafting Wallace, Black, or Amen.

The world where we extend Fultz does not have us landing FVV in free agency or Scoot in a trade.

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Wallace, Bufkin or Podziemski could also help, but i doubt they would start over Suggs.
I dont know why people forget we have Suggs. We also dont need full time point guard becouse we have Franz and Paolo. Shooting, defense, pnr offense is good enough.

Great point. Suggs developing into a lead guard is something I completely overlooked. That is an alternative as well.

Developments that preclude a Fultz extension:

Signing FVV
Trading for Scoot
Suggs developing into a lead guard in year 3

Developments that endanger a Fultz extension:
Drafting Black, Amen, or Wallace + other fringe options

I’d add Nick Smith into that mix…i hope they give him a long look. He’s kind of forgotten imo.

[tiderulz]

Rumors about Philly wanting FVV if they lose Harden.

FVV is the primary alternative to extending Fultz. The other is trading up to draft Scoot. Low key alternatives are drafting Wallace, Black, or Amen.

The world where we extend Fultz does not have us landing FVV in free agency or Scoot in a trade.

MagicMatic fandom watch about to heat up

Wallace, Bufkin or Podziemski could also help, but i doubt they would start over Suggs.
I dont know why people forget we have Suggs. We also dont need full time point guard becouse we have Franz and Paolo. Shooting, defense, pnr offense is good enough.

we saw Boston fall down without a full time point guard. Smart wasnt able to get them into offense or get them easy baskets.

[zaymon]

FVV is the primary alternative to extending Fultz. The other is trading up to draft Scoot. Low key alternatives are drafting Wallace, Black, or Amen.

The world where we extend Fultz does not have us landing FVV in free agency or Scoot in a trade.

MagicMatic fandom watch about to heat up

Wallace, Bufkin or Podziemski could also help, but i doubt they would start over Suggs.
I dont know why people forget we have Suggs. We also dont need full time point guard becouse we have Franz and Paolo. Shooting, defense, pnr offense is good enough.

we saw Boston fall down without a full time point guard. Smart wasnt able to get them into offense or get them easy baskets.

Good point, but they also made conference finals two times in a row, and were close to making finals two years in a row.
Franz is propably better playmaker than Tatum and we still dont know how good of a playmaker Paolo is.