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Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:35 pm
by Knightro









Vests
Franz Wagner - 6 (v. DAL, v. TOR, v. TOR, at HOU, at POR, v. NO)
Paolo Banchero - 6 (v. CHA, at BOS, v. OKC, at PHL, at NOP, at CHA)
Cole Anthony - 3 (v. SAS, at MIN, v. DEN)
Markelle Fultz - 3 (v. ATL, at GSW, at CHI)
Wendell Carter Jr - 3 (v. PHX, at CHA, v. DET)
Jalen Suggs - 3 (v. GSW, at CHI, v. MIA)
Moe Wagner - 2 (v. LAC, at BOS)
Jonathan Isaac - 1 (v. BOS)
Gary Harris - 1 (v. IND)
Cummerbunds
Paolo Banchero - 8 (v. GSW, v. LAC, v. TOR, at BOS, at HOU, at GSW, v. BOS, v. IND)
Markelle Fultz - 4 (at POR, at CHA, v. DET, at NOP)
Bol Bol - 3 (v. CHA, v. ATL, v. DEN)
Franz Wagner - 3 (at CHI, v. SAS, at CHI)
Jalen Suggs - 3 (v. PHX, at MIN, at CHA)
Chuma Okeke - 1 (v. DAL)
Admiral Schofield - 1 (at BOS)
Cole Anthony - 1 (v. NO)
Moritz Wagner - 1 (at PHL)
Wendell Carter Jr - 1 (v. MIA)
Terrence Ross - 1 (v. OKC)
Mo Bamba - 1 (v. TOR)
Mittens
Wendell Carter Jr - 6 (at CHI, v. OKC, at POR, v. IND, v. DEN, at CHI)
Markelle Fultz - 5 (v. TOR, at BOS, at BOS, v. SAS, at PHL)
Franz Wagner - 4 (v. ATL, at GSW, v. DET, at NOP)
Bol Bol - 3 (v. PHX, v. LAC, v. NOP)
Cole Anthony - 3 (at HOU, v. BOS, at CHA)
Paolo Banchero - 3 (v. TOR, at CHA, v. MIA)
Chuma Okeke - 1 (v. GSW)
Jalen Suggs - 1 (v. DAL)
Moritz Wagner - 1 (at MIN)
Mo Bamba - 1 (v. CHA)
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:35 pm
by Ralof
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:36 pm
by Knightro
I know Fultz is going to win this because there's agendas around here lol.
Personally...
Vest - Carter
Cummerbund - Fultz
Mittens - Anthony
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:37 pm
by JojoSlimbiid
Knightro wrote:I know Fultz is going to win this because there's agendas around here lol.
Personally...
Vest - Carter
Cummerbund - Fultz
Mittens - Anthony
Yeah and your spearheading it. Why would you even start the thread off like that? Who gets mad when one of the guys on their team plays well. Weirdo behavior.
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:39 pm
by Knightro
JojoSlimbiid wrote:Yeah and your spearheading it. Why would you even start the thread off like that? Who gets mad when one of the guys on their team plays well. Weirdo behavior.
Oh stop. This stuff ain't serious. I know Fultz is gonna win and it doesn't matter whatsoever. This is all in fun.
Fultz had an excellent game that is absolutely worthy of the vest or the cummerbund. But I also know Fultz has a LOT of fans on this board and I expect him to win this vote pretty easily.
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:41 pm
by Ralof
Fultz or Wcj,our "supporting cast"proved again to be very good.
Good game by Wagner as well,this thing to take the shots he need to take and not force anything is pure gold,smart player.
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:52 pm
by ORLMagicGirl15
I’m torn on this one either Kell or Dell. They were awesome down the stretch, though Kell was consistent all game long.
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:52 pm
by eyriq
Vest - WCJ
Cummerbund - Kelle
Mittens - Anthony
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:07 pm
by yoyojw17
I'm one of the biggest Kelle fans on here.... rooting for him all the way! and happy that he continues to show more and more. pllayed big down the stretch in many ways.
but this time i gave it to Carter cuz he was just constant out there. shot the ball well and PLAYED BIG!
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:03 pm
by p0peye
Carter was huge and Fultz was right next to him. Franz was good as well, but Cole was too.
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:28 pm
by GameOver25
JojoSlimbiid wrote:Knightro wrote:I know Fultz is going to win this because there's agendas around here lol.
Personally...
Vest - Carter
Cummerbund - Fultz
Mittens - Anthony
Yeah and your spearheading it. Why would you even start the thread off like that? Who gets mad when one of the guys on their team plays well. Weirdo behavior.
Fine if we're doing it like this I'm voting for Suggs and didn't even watch the game.

Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:57 pm
by Bensational
Wendell is such an X Factor for this team. And often he’ll have huge nights by just quietly adding to his tally the whole game. Or his big games occur the same night as another player’s big game and it will fall under the radar.
He’s not the rim protector we’d like, and he needs to improve his durability, but he’s smart, versatile, efficient and on a great value deal. Even if we landed Wemby I’d hope Wendell would be our backup C and PF because that kind of depth would be unmatched.
Great to see Fultz have a big game, too. I’d be shocked if WeHam didn’t give him another season at this point. Near .500 team since he’s been back with a very young squad, showing he’s still capable of big scooting nights, and still very much a growing and developing player when it comes to running a team.
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:26 am
by BadMofoPimp
Bensational wrote:Wendell is such an X Factor for this team. And often he’ll have huge nights by just quietly adding to his tally the whole game. Or his big games occur the same night as another player’s big game and it will fall under the radar.
He’s not the rim protector we’d like, and he needs to improve his durability, but he’s smart, versatile, efficient and on a great value deal. Even if we landed Wemby I’d hope Wendell would be our backup C and PF because that kind of depth would be unmatched.
Great to see Fultz have a big game, too. I’d be shocked if WeHam didn’t give him another season at this point. Near .500 team since he’s been back with a very young squad, showing he’s still capable of big scooting nights, and still very much a growing and developing player when it comes to running a team.
Wemb
WCJ
Pauli
Wags
Fultz
Quite a lineup there.
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:27 am
by Audi
Tough one because Wendell has a monster game, even harder because both he and Fultz were playing such great basketball together as a duo. I gave the tie breaker to Fultz due to setting a career milestone and coming in clutch at quite a few points throughout the game to help keep us in it. Like WCJ’s first buzzer beater vest, this is one of those games where the vest doesn’t necessarily go to the best box score, though it could certainly be justified.
Want to point out that Fultz looks to be the guy who we most want to send to the line. Honestly never thought I’d be saying that. He’s been shooting ~92% from the stripe since the beginning of February. Did well getting to the line tonight and hit two pressure FTs that clinched it.
Fultz
Wendell
Cole
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:52 am
by Ducklett
Althought Fultz, Cole, and Dell did more over the course of the game, I gave it to Franz for the step back dagger.
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:44 am
by j_n
Tough one here, Fultz and Wendel were huge for us, both are very underrated on this board, went with Markelle for the 4 steals.
Shout out to Kevon Harris, he's playing his heart out every time he gets a chance.
Great win for this young team.
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:39 am
by AaronB
Bensational wrote:Wendell is such an X Factor for this team. And often he’ll have huge nights by just quietly adding to his tally the whole game. Or his big games occur the same night as another player’s big game and it will fall under the radar.
He’s not the rim protector we’d like, and he needs to improve his durability, but he’s smart, versatile, efficient and on a great value deal. Even if we landed Wemby I’d hope Wendell would be our backup C and PF because that kind of depth would be unmatched.
Great to see Fultz have a big game, too. I’d be shocked if WeHam didn’t give him another season at this point. Near .500 team since he’s been back with a very young squad, showing he’s still capable of big scooting nights, and still very much a growing and developing player when it comes to running a team.
Even if the Magic were to remarkably win the first pick in the lotto, because of his size and injury risk, I could easily see the Magic bringing Wemby along very slowly the first couple of years.
Maybe 20 MPG the first year and 25 the second.
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:03 pm
by Skybox
Ok, I’ll be the jerk…have Fultz and Paolo ever both had big games at the same time? That’s my issue. I’m happy that Fultz is playing well and starting to score like he can and, very importantly, he got to the line quite a bit- which he usually doesn’t. The steals are fantastic and valuable.
If their offensive successes are mutually exclusive on any given night, something has to give. Franz can successfully recede into more of a prime Hedo role…taking whatever the game brings him. Paolo & Markelle are more specific in their support needs and they still have room for chemistry growth (PB can improve his off-ball movement and spot up play). That growth from Paolo is likely and would result in a lot more easy baskets for him. BUT (big one) Paolo’s special because he’s built like a tank but moves like a cat, his iso work is what makes him super-special. Turning him into a spot up player to complement a non-shooting PG just to help support that lesser player is completely irrational. If I thought Markelle could come back next year hitting 3 of 7 from downtown- I’d say our Big 3 is forming…it’s that simple to me…
I don’t think it’s likely that Markelle will be able to develop that skill and, therefore, he’ll never be the right guy if you want Franz & Paolo to approach their potential.
His recent scoring and defense doesn’t change his fit. He is a very good player. Maybe it’s not fair to “blame” him for the rest of the team’s needs…winning in the NBA isn’t about blaming or fair or individual players …it’s ALL about stars and team building around them.
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:16 pm
by VFX
Skybox wrote:Ok, I’ll be the jerk…have Fultz and Paolo ever both had big games at the same time? That’s my issue. I’m happy that Fultz is playing well and starting to score like he can and, very importantly, he got to the line quite a bit- which he usually doesn’t. The steals are fantastic and valuable.
If their offensive successes are mutually exclusive on any given night, something has to give. Franz can successfully recede into more of a prime Hedo role…taking whatever the game brings him. Paolo & Markelle are more specific in their support needs and they still have room for chemistry growth (PB can improve his off-ball movement and spot up play). That growth from Paolo is likely and would result in a lot more easy baskets for him. BUT (big one) Paolo’s special because he’s built like a tank but moves like a cat, his iso work is what makes him super-special. Turning him into a spot up player to complement a non-shooting PG just to help support that lesser player is completely irrational. If I thought Markelle could come back next year hitting 3 of 7 from downtown- I’d say our Big 3 is forming…it’s that simple to me…
I don’t think it’s likely that Markelle will be able to develop that skill and, therefore, he’ll never be the right guy if you want Franz & Paolo to approach their potential.
His recent scoring and defense doesn’t change his fit. He is a very good player. Maybe it’s not fair to “blame” him for the rest of the team’s needs…winning in the NBA isn’t about blaming or fair or individual players …it’s ALL about stars and team building around them.
No, they haven’t.
Fultz has a good game once every 5 games and Paolo happens to look bad in all of those games by pure coincidence.
I’m joking. Of course there is a correlation nobody wants to acknowledge.
Re: Sweater Vest Thread #29: Magic 113 - Clippers 108
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:13 pm
by RichCollab
Skybox wrote:Ok, I’ll be the jerk…have Fultz and Paolo ever both had big games at the same time? That’s my issue. I’m happy that Fultz is playing well and starting to score like he can and, very importantly, he got to the line quite a bit- which he usually doesn’t. The steals are fantastic and valuable.
If their offensive successes are mutually exclusive on any given night, something has to give. Franz can successfully recede into more of a prime Hedo role…taking whatever the game brings him. Paolo & Markelle are more specific in their support needs and they still have room for chemistry growth (PB can improve his off-ball movement and spot up play). That growth from Paolo is likely and would result in a lot more easy baskets for him. BUT (big one) Paolo’s special because he’s built like a tank but moves like a cat, his iso work is what makes him super-special. Turning him into a spot up player to complement a non-shooting PG just to help support that lesser player is completely irrational. If I thought Markelle could come back next year hitting 3 of 7 from downtown- I’d say our Big 3 is forming…it’s that simple to me…
I don’t think it’s likely that Markelle will be able to develop that skill and, therefore, he’ll never be the right guy if you want Franz & Paolo to approach their potential.
His recent scoring and defense doesn’t change his fit. He is a very good player. Maybe it’s not fair to “blame” him for the rest of the team’s needs…winning in the NBA isn’t about blaming or fair or individual players …it’s ALL about stars and team building around them.
3/7? How many PGs are shooting 43% from 3? We have expectations that don’t exist.