I like your posts recently but I think you just gave the best examples against what you are trying to say, pepe, I have never caught you slipping this much
pepe1991 wrote:i would not draft SF nor PF with Magic pick. That's just another Bamba situation where player has no serious path toward playin more than occesional 12-15 mpg and sporadic DNP-CDs in near future due playing behind two superior wings who Magic investing future into.
Bamba also had zero positional versatility and no easily translatable skills besides three point shooting, which he only developed last few years. That's a very specific situation where he had to play C and we needed Vuc playing at least 32 of those minutes after reinventing his game.
pepe1991 wrote:For example Heat needed combo guard who can shoot heading into 2019 draft and got Herro.
Celtics had no need for another SG-SF but they drafted Langford.
Over next two years one had clear path toward rotation and climbed the leadders of usage, other was rotting without purpose and role stuck behind 5,6 better players. Rest is history.
Herro is a perfect example of what can happen here but with SF/PF position. Herro started 33 of 175 games and had different PG/SG of varying skills on his team, but his playstyle was better suited off of the bench. Nunn and Butler were fine starting, even Duncan Robinson, all of them got their minutes and stats, which could happen with Wagner/Banchero or Dick or Hendricks or whoever.
Boston has three guards right now... Derrick White, Brogdon, Marcus Smart all averaging 26, 28, and 32 mpg respectively. Romeo Langford would be getting minutes if he wasn't garbage player (which is why they traded for White and Brogdon). His excuse is that his play didn't warrant minutes. If he was on the team now he wouldn't get those minutes.
You say Okeke will be gone, Isaac is always injured, and the last two positions for backup SF/PF are who? Mo Wagner? Kevon Harris? Caleb Houstan? If someone like Dick or Hendricks or Walker can immediately slot in for 20-25 back mpg, that is the easiest hole to fill, not expecting Cole to give up 25 mpg solid backup role or replacing 25-30 mpg Suggs/Fultz, who are just average right now, with a rookie who will be even worse.
pepe1991 wrote:Same thing happend year later with Pelicans drafting 4th PG in Kira Lewis and moved him on margins of rotation, where out of all teams, Kings trusted Haliburton into big role. Literally giving him in first game ever 30 min. For comparison sake Kira Lewis got 3 DNP-CDs in first 3 games of rookie year, to play 9 min , 3 min, DNP, DNP , DNP ,DNP right after.
Lonzo and Hart were gone shortly after. CJ came in to take 1 guard spot. Kira had a chance. I'd rather fight between NAW, Dyson Daniels, Josh Richardson, Graham, Alverado minutes at backup guard spots the last 2 years than Herb Jones, Ingram, Murphy, Zion, Nance, Naji Marshall, Val at SF-PF-C spot.
But you know who didn't care about minutes? Jose Alverado, 22 mpg. Trey Murphy. He went from 13 mpg to 31 mpg just from being good.
But yeah, this example is nothing like ours. You can't fit square peg into a round hole and hope George, Nick Smith or Wallace magically end up shooting well when all of them had worse (or similar) shooting numbers in college than the guys we have now (besides Wallace).
If people don't think Fultz, Cole and Suggs are being moved this year, which the merit of if we should or not has been a separate discussion we've had ad nauseam, then the literal holes people are talking about ARE the backup wing and big position.
You're damn sure front office wants to address shooting which most likely will be at shooting guard position (maybe a bigger volume shooter than Harris), whether starting or backup. Where is your rook playing?
He becomes Kira Lewis. That's what.
The avenue to a starting spot is easier via guard spot, sure, that's not what I'm arguing, which is why for Scoot or Amen this doesn't apply... but the readily available minutes to "prove it" are much more available elsewhere and if we're stuck between low 2nd tier or 3rd tier guards in this draft.. welll.. you had better hope they become better than Fultz/Suggs/Cole who aren't great but aren't scrubs like our backups have potential to be.
