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#6 pick - early predictions

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With the #6 pick, the Magic take:

Ausar Thompson
26
34%
Cam Whitmore
11
14%
Jarace Walker
4
5%
Anthony Black
5
6%
Taylor Hendricks
17
22%
Gradey Dick
6
8%
Nick Smith
1
1%
Cason Wallace
4
5%
Jordan Hawkins
1
1%
Keyonte George
2
3%
 
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Re: #6 pick - early predictions 

Post#141 » by RookieStar » Fri May 19, 2023 12:04 am

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basketballRob wrote:George could have a promise from the Magic at 11. He didn't measure at the combine. He participated at the Lift Pro Day, but that could've been to help draw attention for the other players.

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A promise this early is a disservice to the process. He didn't measure because his measureables are not good.


I agree he is hiding something.. BUT we all know there are promises made already. Leonard Miller was the most recent one. A teens pick... might have a top 10 promise if he suddenly bowed out this early.
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Re: #6 pick - early predictions 

Post#142 » by Petre1978 » Fri May 19, 2023 4:51 am

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basketballRob wrote:George could have a promise from the Magic at 11. He didn't measure at the combine. He participated at the Lift Pro Day, but that could've been to help draw attention for the other players.

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A promise this early is a disservice to the process. He didn't measure because his measureables are not good.


I agree he is hiding something.. BUT we all know there are promises made already. Leonard Miller was the most recent one. A teens pick... might have a top 10 promise if he suddenly bowed out this early.

A promise from Jeff :wink:
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Re: #6 pick - early predictions 

Post#143 » by DiplomaticMagic » Fri May 19, 2023 5:47 am

Im like 100% locked in to Ausar at this point, Im just worried Detroit will take him first. Hopefully they take Whitmore.
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Re: #6 pick - early predictions 

Post#144 » by pepe1991 » Fri May 19, 2023 5:48 am

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basketballRob wrote:Jarace Walker resembles Draymond a lot. The reason I'd prefer him over Hendricks is that he seems more nimble. Hendricks seems more upright at not being able to get low to defend SFs. Hendricks reminds me of Christian Wood.

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Hendricks today has:
size of PF
Weight of SF
skillset of C

But also:
has no versitality on offense to play PF
has no ballhandling to play SF
struggles to finish around rim to play C


He is talented, but bit of robotic and not very versitale imo. Like, he is very good straight lines cutter, but how many of those are in nba in playoff games aveliable? Can he put ball on the floor and make play? Today, he can't.

He will probably be better defender than Christian Wood, but that's very low bar to pass.

jarace Walker has games where he doesn't show up especially on offense and is definition of limited role player on offense in general.

On Magic, roster vise, they really make no sense to me. I don't know.

You always do this. You try to expose flaws and detract everyone from liking a guy. The only players I ever heard you like during the predraft process were Mario Hezonja and Aaron Nesmith. Every player has flaws and at #6, you're definitely not gonna find the perfect player. Hell, we had the #1 pick last year and we drafted a big who doesn't play great low post defense or shoot from long range. The point is not to find the perfect player. The point is to build a collection of players that build a successful TEAM. That means having players that have strengths that correct other's flaws.

We already have 3 players who can make things happen by putting the ball on the floor and making a play in Paolo, Franz, and Markelle. What we need are players who can compliment them. Adding another guy who needs the ball in his hands is counter productive. Hendricks is the perfect compliment for our team because he adds long range shooting AND interior defense. That is exactly the kind of fit that we need.

I don't care that it's a high pick. Hell, we're trying to salvage Suggs who we drafted at the 5th pick. All he is after 2 years is a defensive specialist who can sometimes get hot off the bench, but has zero consistency. Hendricks fills the needs that we have with his size, shooting, and defense. Things that can consistently be relied upon.

Walker Kessler was passed a lot in the draft because of so many apparent weaknesses, but if the draft had a redo he would go higher because he gave the Jazz what they needed and contributed to their success in a season where many thought they would be in the bottom of the league.

We have to look at the draft beyond individual grades in a vacuum.


Huh?

Talking about player's weaknesses in sense of building roster is key for building sucessful team.

As far as who i liked in past goes, Nesmith was there in our draft range and made more sense than Cole. Just like NAW made more sense than Okeke, and still does.

Hezonja had all the tools, and it's not like we were going to take some stud, we were picking between him, Winslow and Stanley Johnson,so there was no chance we ending up with good player regardless.

Hendricks today can't play center. So your compliment your core ( and i won't even get into how dumb it is to project one of the worst starters at PG as part of "core") with player that can't be starter today? Nor any time soon. Wendell will be better than Handricks for whole lenght of his contract and probably later. Banchero is your PF. Where execlly Handricks gets PT from?
From backup C and backup PF spot? How is that 6# worthy pick if there is no objective chance for him to start in next 3 years at least?

Again, Hendricks today can't play center in nba. He is too small and too skinny and too weak. If you go in playoffs he is facing Adebayo, Lopez, Embiid, Allen, Ayton, Jokic, Gobert, Michell Robinson etc. Those guys have 30+ pounds on him and vast majority of them are noticablly taller as well. He is getting bodied even at college level.

For player who is similar is size, today, Adebayo has whooping 45 pounds more for example.


I just also find it funny how you have selective memory of my posts, so you forgot that i said in past, multiple times, last year before draft that i think that Jabari Smith is overrated defender because he plays with best shotblocker in college since Davis- Kessler :lol: . And i see you are mentioning Kessler now :lol:


As far as Suggs goes, he is excellent example of scouting that overlooks weaknesses and projects things that aren't showcased. He was sold around excellent passer and playmaker who just happend to never play pick&roll. Than you ended up in nba and for two years straight he is neither excellent passer nor good pick&roll player.


Imo, Magic will swing 6th pick on Ausar Thompson, that's my gut feeling. And i can understand logic behind it.
I would not keep 11th pick regardless who we pick 6th. That's too many young players needing PT without any clear path toward PT.
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Re: #6 pick - early predictions 

Post#145 » by RookieStar » Fri May 19, 2023 6:33 am

DiplomaticMagic wrote:Im like 100% locked in to Ausar at this point, Im just worried Detroit will take him first. Hopefully they take Whitmore.


DET needs a SF. They have Cade and Ivey for the guard spots with Hayes backing them up.

Plus a platoon of bigs in Bagley Beff stew and Wiseman.

They lack big wings.
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Re: #6 pick - early predictions 

Post#146 » by Petre1978 » Fri May 19, 2023 6:42 am

DiplomaticMagic wrote:Im like 100% locked in to Ausar at this point, Im just worried Detroit will take him first. Hopefully they take Whitmore.

Why Ausar?
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Re: #6 pick - early predictions 

Post#147 » by Howard Mass » Fri May 19, 2023 10:36 am

Tyler Hendricks is too although with the forwards this team has, I could not justify taking him #6.

While Anthony Black has good instincts, his shooting and quickness turn me off.

Still trying to figure out the Thompson twins.

If The Magic use both picks, they have great options at 6 and 11.

I really like Cam Whitmore and Gradey Dick.

Kevonte George is another like and Jordan Hawkins along with Jett Howard are names that intrique me.

I still feel they should explore a future pick haul (Good future pick or picks) for #11 as I don't know if they have the minutes to develop both players.

Given how they have forwards set and you can get a good defensive big later in Drafts, I'd draft a guard at #6.

If Cam Whitmore is there though, I would not hesitate and I personally think he should be in contention to be the #2 pick in the entire Draft.
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Re: #6 pick - early predictions 

Post#148 » by basketballRob » Fri May 19, 2023 11:02 am

I agree about Cam. He has great lateral quickness to stay in front of guards and could play SG for us. I would offer the 6 and 11 to Houston and Portland to move up and draft him.

I don't think he makes it past Detroit.

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Re: #6 pick - early predictions 

Post#149 » by Knightro » Fri May 19, 2023 4:10 pm

I like Whitmore's potential, but are we sure he can chase smaller guards around all game at 235 lbs?
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Post#150 » by The Effect » Fri May 19, 2023 5:49 pm

If we stay at 6 (most likely we will, dont see us trading up no matter how much i hope we do), i think with the build of this team and that we have another lotto pick to fill the shooting need, WeHam swing for the fences with Ausar. i dont see them passing on his potential, and im all for it.
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Post#151 » by OrlChamps2030 » Fri May 19, 2023 5:51 pm

I think this pick comes down to Ausar or Hendricks.

It’s hard to get a good read on the twins - just how bad was their level of competition?
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Post#152 » by The Effect » Fri May 19, 2023 5:51 pm

Howard Mass wrote:Tyler Hendricks is too although with the forwards this team has, I could not justify taking him #6.

While Anthony Black has good instincts, his shooting and quickness turn me off.

Still trying to figure out the Thompson twins.

If The Magic use both picks, they have great options at 6 and 11.

I really like Cam Whitmore and Gradey Dick.

Kevonte George is another like and Jordan Hawkins along with Jett Howard are names that intrique me.

I still feel they should explore a future pick haul (Good future pick or picks) for #11 as I don't know if they have the minutes to develop both players.

Given how they have forwards set and you can get a good defensive big later in Drafts, I'd draft a guard at #6.

If Cam Whitmore is there though, I would not hesitate and I personally think he should be in contention to be the #2 pick in the entire Draft.


We had harris, admiral, mo and bol all playing big minutes this year, trust me they can find PT for a lotto pick in this years draft
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Post#153 » by The Effect » Fri May 19, 2023 5:55 pm

OrlChamps2030 wrote:I think this pick comes down to Ausar or Hendricks.

It’s hard to get a good read on the twins - just how bad was their level of competition?


People are brining up their level of competition, but i mean we see guys getting drafted from international leagues that werent great and hell they used to draft guys straight out of HS, where the level of competition was terrible and im willing to bet if the nba allowed drafting HS players again, teams would be drafting them in the top 5 every year. Level of competition isnt as big a deal as people think
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Re: #6 pick - early predictions 

Post#154 » by OrlChamps2030 » Fri May 19, 2023 5:57 pm

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OrlChamps2030 wrote:I think this pick comes down to Ausar or Hendricks.

It’s hard to get a good read on the twins - just how bad was their level of competition?


People are brining up their level of competition, but i mean we see guys getting drafted from international leagues that werent great and hell they used to draft guys straight out of HS, where the level of competition was terrible and im willing to bet if the nba allowed drafting HS players again, teams would be drafting them in the top 5 every year. Level of competition isnt as big a deal as people think


Which international leagues are you talking about?

I think most European/Aus/NZ leagues are superior to OTE just by sake of having professional grown men and not 16 year olds.
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Post#155 » by Howard Mass » Fri May 19, 2023 6:28 pm

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Howard Mass wrote:Tyler Hendricks is too although with the forwards this team has, I could not justify taking him #6.

While Anthony Black has good instincts, his shooting and quickness turn me off.

Still trying to figure out the Thompson twins.

If The Magic use both picks, they have great options at 6 and 11.

I really like Cam Whitmore and Gradey Dick.

Kevonte George is another like and Jordan Hawkins along with Jett Howard are names that intrique me.

I still feel they should explore a future pick haul (Good future pick or picks) for #11 as I don't know if they have the minutes to develop both players.

Given how they have forwards set and you can get a good defensive big later in Drafts, I'd draft a guard at #6.

If Cam Whitmore is there though, I would not hesitate and I personally think he should be in contention to be the #2 pick in the entire Draft.


We had harris, admiral, mo and bol all playing big minutes this year, trust me they can find PT for a lotto pick in this years draft


It's possible they can but also might want to bring in some vets.
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Post#156 » by KillMonger » Sat May 20, 2023 1:02 am

DiplomaticMagic wrote:Im like 100% locked in to Ausar at this point, Im just worried Detroit will take him first. Hopefully they take Whitmore.
Pretty much where I'm at as well, one of them will be there that's the good thing

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Post#157 » by basketballRob » Sat May 20, 2023 3:18 am

Knightro wrote:I like Whitmore's potential, but are we sure he can chase smaller guards around all game at 235 lbs?
Watch his tape. He easily stays in front of guards. Sure, little guards might get by him once in a while. I remember Oladipo beating Jimmy Butler on a regular basis. Klay Thompson weighs 220. Jaylen Brown 225, Harden 225, Butler 230. Whitmore could lose a couple of pounds. He'd be a force at SG.

We run a switching defense with Mosely. So it doesn’t really matter who they start out guarding. No one is chasing guards around.

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Post#158 » by ogmagicfan » Sat May 20, 2023 4:57 am

I feel the Magic will go for either Cam or Ausar. Get themselves an athletic swingman. Can't really be mad with either.
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Post#159 » by The-Stallion70 » Sat May 20, 2023 6:13 am

All in on Whitmore. This guys probably a star, so explosive attacking the basket and can shoot it too.

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Post#160 » by Skybox » Sat May 20, 2023 9:58 am

I can honestly make a case for a dozen guys at 6…some will be busts, but really interesting class. Arguably, same situation at 11…you can go all the way back to guys like Lively, Whitehead, Podzmieski and feel they could be significant players too

The one prominent guy I’m sure I DONT want is Black…I just don’t see the fit or the tremendous upside of others.

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