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Don't do it weham! I smell Ibaka trade 2.0!

I think this is more news related to the Magic as it means someone can slide right in front of us for a player they think we are targeting at 11.

Time for some good ol' smokescreens from the team. I'll believe nothing leaked about players we have interest in this year.

too many teams are being reported wishing to trade a pick for more established help and it only lowers the value of our picks if we would be shopping them too imo

He's not worth pick 10, and not healthy, but always thought Isaac would be perfect next to Doncic.

What about WCJ and Isaac for Bertans, Jaden Hardy and pick 10, and we use one of 10 or 11 to pick Lively.

Mavs fan, coming in peace. Just wondering, what do Magic fans think of the following:

DAL Receives: WCJ + G. Harris + Future SRP or 2
ORL Receives: 10 + Choice of Bertans or THJ

DAL gets a starting center and solid 3&D guard that can fit in between Luka and Kyrie whenever one sits. The future SRP(s) are a throw in. We literally don't have any so would be nice to have some for future trades. Can remove if a deal breaker.

ORL gets the 10th pick. You can either draft or make a very appealing offer to package with 1 or 2 of your other picks to move up. Perhaps trade with POR who may want multiple picks to get multiple players from different teams. You can choose between Bertans or THJ. Bertans has an early 5 mil termination next season so if you want to have more cap and stretch him, he's your guy. If you want to compete, THJ is a good vet and shooter for your team.

Maverick41 wrote:Mavs fan, coming in peace. Just wondering, what do Magic fans think of the following:

DAL Receives: WCJ + G. Harris + Future SRP or 2
ORL Receives: 10 + Choice of Bertans or THJ

DAL gets a starting center and solid 3&D guard that can fit in between Luka and Kyrie whenever one sits. The future SRP(s) are a throw in. We literally don't have any so would be nice to have some for future trades. Can remove if a deal breaker.

ORL gets the 10th pick. You can either draft or make a very appealing offer to package with 1 or 2 of your other picks to move up. Perhaps trade with POR who may want multiple picks to get multiple players from different teams. You can choose between Bertans or THJ. Bertans has an early 5 mil termination next season so if you want to have more cap and stretch him, he's your guy. If you want to compete, THJ is a good vet and shooter for your team.

I think Orlando doesnt have incentive to trade WCJ for another pick at the moment, plus he's on a very solid contract. Getting younger with 2 draft picks right now is already kind of ehh for the front office imo, so a 3rd would be a little much

SOUL wrote:I think Orlando doesnt have incentive to trade WCJ for another pick at the moment, plus he's on a very solid contract. Getting younger with 2 draft picks right now is already kind of ehh for the front office imo, so a 3rd would be a little much

My line of thinking was that you may be able to move up by consolidating those picks and then grab Scoot or Miller. Then sign Vuc as a replacement short term stop gap C. A Scoot, Franz and Paulo trio would be insane.

But yeah you're probably right. Appreciate your feedback!

Maverick41 wrote:

SOUL wrote:I think Orlando doesnt have incentive to trade WCJ for another pick at the moment, plus he's on a very solid contract. Getting younger with 2 draft picks right now is already kind of ehh for the front office imo, so a 3rd would be a little much

My line of thinking was that you may be able to move up by consolidating those picks and then grab Scoot or Miller. Then sign Vuc as a replacement short term stop gap C. A Scoot, Franz and Paulo trio would be insane.

But yeah you're probably right. Appreciate your feedback!

Yeah, it would def depend on what our FA decisions are depending how true/untrue the Vuc stuff is, WCJ is just super solid for us. But yeah that's def the kind of player I think Dallas should be looking for. Maybe someone like Jarrett Allen if the Cavs don't feel comfortable playing two bigs anymore.. like 10 and Josh Green or something, although not sure what value is fair for Mavs fans atm

Didn't they throw away season just to save that pick?

SOUL wrote:

Maverick41 wrote:Mavs fan, coming in peace. Just wondering, what do Magic fans think of the following:

DAL Receives: WCJ + G. Harris + Future SRP or 2
ORL Receives: 10 + Choice of Bertans or THJ

DAL gets a starting center and solid 3&D guard that can fit in between Luka and Kyrie whenever one sits. The future SRP(s) are a throw in. We literally don't have any so would be nice to have some for future trades. Can remove if a deal breaker.

ORL gets the 10th pick. You can either draft or make a very appealing offer to package with 1 or 2 of your other picks to move up. Perhaps trade with POR who may want multiple picks to get multiple players from different teams. You can choose between Bertans or THJ. Bertans has an early 5 mil termination next season so if you want to have more cap and stretch him, he's your guy. If you want to compete, THJ is a good vet and shooter for your team.

I think Orlando doesnt have incentive to trade WCJ for another pick at the moment, plus he's on a very solid contract. Getting younger with 2 draft picks right now is already kind of ehh for the front office imo, so a 3rd would be a little much

I'm not the biggest fan of the longterm fit of Wendell & Paolo but for me outside of the true allstar Centers (Jokic, Embiid, Davies, Bam, JJJr...), he got maybe the most well rounded game next to old Horford at the Center spot in the whole leaque. Most of the non star Centers are specialist. You have the the offensive + rebounding only ones like Sabonis, Vuc, Val or the rim running, shotblockers & some behemoth defenders like Adams, Poeltl & co. Wendell is versatile on offense & defense. He is strong, heavy & a good post defenders but still can switch better than most heavy ones. On offense he can do more than most of them too. Pretty much worse version of Horford. He is just not elite at anything & not good enough rim protector to be a ideal fit next to Paolo, but unlike almost all the other non star Centers, he doesnt have big weaknesses. We need a backup big who is the typical rim running, elite rebounding Shotblocker but this kind of player is much easier to find than the well rounded WCJ type.
I would trade him only for a good starting PG, who is under 28 years old.

I think Dallas would have to send a pick for someone to take Bertan's contract. Orlando doesn't really need any more picks.

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basketballRob wrote:I think Dallas would have to send a pick for someone to take Bertan's contract. Orlando doesn't really need any more picks.

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Not really.

10th pick is valuable for Dallas ,they went in great lenghts to secure it.

And Bertans contract is nowhere near as bad as you make it sound.
He has $17M for 2023-24, yes, it hurts.

BUT his contract is only $5M guaranteed in 2024-25. Only way how it becomes guranateed is if he plays 62 games.
So for Dallas it's easy. Just DNP-CD him for 20 games and you are saved from that disaster. You just have to swallow crap for one more year

pepe1991 wrote:

basketballRob wrote:I think Dallas would have to send a pick for someone to take Bertan's contract. Orlando doesn't really need any more picks.

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Not really.

10th pick is valuable for Dallas ,they went in great lenghts to secure it.

And Bertans contract is nowhere near as bad as you make it sound.
He has $17M for 2023-24, yes, it hurts.

BUT his contract is only $5M guaranteed in 2024-25. Only way how it becomes guranateed is if he plays 62 games.
So for Dallas it's easy. Just DNP-CD him for 20 games and you are saved from that disaster. You just have to swallow crap for one more year

We aren't going to send Wendell to Dallas for the 10th pick. That would be a huge step backward.

It's funny the number of posters that come here with trade deals for Wendell.

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basketballRob wrote:

pepe1991 wrote:

basketballRob wrote:I think Dallas would have to send a pick for someone to take Bertan's contract. Orlando doesn't really need any more picks.

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Not really.

10th pick is valuable for Dallas ,they went in great lenghts to secure it.

And Bertans contract is nowhere near as bad as you make it sound.
He has $17M for 2023-24, yes, it hurts.

BUT his contract is only $5M guaranteed in 2024-25. Only way how it becomes guranateed is if he plays 62 games.
So for Dallas it's easy. Just DNP-CD him for 20 games and you are saved from that disaster. You just have to swallow crap for one more year

We aren't going to send Wendell to Dallas for the 10th pick. That would be a huge step backward.

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I never said i would make trade with them, i just pointed out they don't need to dump pick to get rid of Bertans

pepe1991 wrote:

basketballRob wrote:

pepe1991 wrote:
Not really.

10th pick is valuable for Dallas ,they went in great lenghts to secure it.

And Bertans contract is nowhere near as bad as you make it sound.
He has $17M for 2023-24, yes, it hurts.

BUT his contract is only $5M guaranteed in 2024-25. Only way how it becomes guranateed is if he plays 62 games.
So for Dallas it's easy. Just DNP-CD him for 20 games and you are saved from that disaster. You just have to swallow crap for one more year

We aren't going to send Wendell to Dallas for the 10th pick. That would be a huge step backward.

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I never said i would make trade with them, i just pointed out they don't need to dump pick to get rid of Bertans

Bertans at $17m next season is terrible value. He's had two ACL injuries, and he only plays 50% of the time.

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Maverick41 wrote:Mavs fan, coming in peace. Just wondering, what do Magic fans think of the following:

DAL Receives: WCJ + G. Harris + Future SRP or 2
ORL Receives: 10 + Choice of Bertans or THJ

DAL gets a starting center and solid 3&D guard that can fit in between Luka and Kyrie whenever one sits. The future SRP(s) are a throw in. We literally don't have any so would be nice to have some for future trades. Can remove if a deal breaker.

ORL gets the 10th pick. You can either draft or make a very appealing offer to package with 1 or 2 of your other picks to move up. Perhaps trade with POR who may want multiple picks to get multiple players from different teams. You can choose between Bertans or THJ. Bertans has an early 5 mil termination next season so if you want to have more cap and stretch him, he's your guy. If you want to compete, THJ is a good vet and shooter for your team.

I would only do this if there was a plan to package picks to get a established guy. Like of we were trading 6 and 11 to BRK for Bridges then do your trade to still have a first rounder to add another player. I would not bring 3 rookies on the team. I really don't even want 2. On the Dallas side I think its cool but Im not sure WCjr moves the needle enough especially of Kyrie leaves. Honestly if Im Dallas unless a really really good trade emerges I would just roll the dice and take BPA and hope.

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Maverick41 wrote:Mavs fan, coming in peace. Just wondering, what do Magic fans think of the following:

DAL Receives: WCJ + G. Harris + Future SRP or 2
ORL Receives: 10 + Choice of Bertans or THJ

DAL gets a starting center and solid 3&D guard that can fit in between Luka and Kyrie whenever one sits. The future SRP(s) are a throw in. We literally don't have any so would be nice to have some for future trades. Can remove if a deal breaker.

ORL gets the 10th pick. You can either draft or make a very appealing offer to package with 1 or 2 of your other picks to move up. Perhaps trade with POR who may want multiple picks to get multiple players from different teams. You can choose between Bertans or THJ. Bertans has an early 5 mil termination next season so if you want to have more cap and stretch him, he's your guy. If you want to compete, THJ is a good vet and shooter for your team.

Orlando does not want two rookies in its 6+11 (actually three with the high SRP); management has talked about trade ideas publicly. Adding the 10 would be undesirable for the Magic.

Also, Carter is more valuable to Orlando than a mid-lottery pick and a backup wing.

What might make sense is Orlando trading G-Harris and the 11 for Hardaway and a future FRP, say top-10 protected. Then Dallas would have the 10 and 11 as a trade package to go after a wing upgrade.

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drsd wrote:

Maverick41 wrote:Mavs fan, coming in peace. Just wondering, what do Magic fans think of the following:

DAL Receives: WCJ + G. Harris + Future SRP or 2
ORL Receives: 10 + Choice of Bertans or THJ

DAL gets a starting center and solid 3&D guard that can fit in between Luka and Kyrie whenever one sits. The future SRP(s) are a throw in. We literally don't have any so would be nice to have some for future trades. Can remove if a deal breaker.

ORL gets the 10th pick. You can either draft or make a very appealing offer to package with 1 or 2 of your other picks to move up. Perhaps trade with POR who may want multiple picks to get multiple players from different teams. You can choose between Bertans or THJ. Bertans has an early 5 mil termination next season so if you want to have more cap and stretch him, he's your guy. If you want to compete, THJ is a good vet and shooter for your team.

Orlando does not want two rookies in its 6+11 (actually three with the high SRP); management has talked about trade ideas publicly. Adding the 10 would be undesirable for the Magic.

Also, Carter is more valuable to Orlando than a mid-lottery pick and a backup wing.

What might make sense is Orlando trading G-Harris and the 11 for Hardaway and a future FRP, say top-10 protected. Then Dallas would have the 10 and 11 as a trade package to go after a wing upgrade.

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If we trade Harris and the 11th pick for Simons, how does the Dallas pick get involved?

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drsd wrote:What might make sense is Orlando trading G-Harris and the 11 for Hardaway and a future FRP, say top-10 protected. Then Dallas would have the 10 and 11 as a trade package to go after a wing upgrade.

Love this deal for DAL. Sign me up.

Little surprised honestly but I can certainly see you guys point about not wanting too many rookies. Refreshing to see a fan base that values vets.

Damn, there goes my #11 for josh green hope haha