The case for Jordan Hawkins

[j-ragg]

A bit too one dimensional for me for where our picks are at but I’d talk myself into it.

[Nyce_1]

I'm with it. I usually align with your annual pick and do so again this year. I'm happy with Hawkins/Dariq with #11.

[Knightro]

Very good writeup, but I'm just not a huge Hawkins guy.

He feels very one dimensional to me. Now don't get me wrong, he's extremely good at that one dimension, but I don't see much else there.

I don't think his defense is going to translate nearly as well as some of you guys seem to think.

[MagicMatic]

Although I do appreciate Hawkins catch and shoot ability, we do not have enough creation on the perimeter. This is why I’d go with Gradey Dick at #11 if he is still on the board over Hawkins.

You could convince me otherwise if we had a real point guard that already does this. Unfortunately, we don’t have that player.

Beggars can be choosers in Orlando’s positions thankfully.

[Def Swami]

I think he's definitely worth a look at #11.

[drsd]

Although I do appreciate Hawkins catch and shoot ability, we do not have enough creation on the perimeter. This is why I’d go with Gradey Dick at #11 if he is still on the board over Hawkins.

You could convince me otherwise if we had a real point guard that already does this. Unfortunately, we don’t have that player.

Beggars can be choosers in Orlando’s positions thankfully.

If the Magic does not draft Dick at #6 and then both he and Hawkins are available at #11, 100% the Magic must draft DIck.

[fendilim]

Very good writeup, but I'm just not a huge Hawkins guy.

He feels very one dimensional to me. Now don't get me wrong, he's extremely good at that one dimension, but I don't see much else there.

I don't think his defense is going to translate nearly as well as some of you guys seem to think.

I share the same sentiment especially because of his physical measurements. But I wouldn’t mind him at 11 if Gradey isnt available anymore

[Skin]

Pretty nice write-up

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/breaking-down-jordan-hawkinss-off


So why is he falling to 11? Some of it is his size. He measured at 6-foot-4.25 with a 6-foot-6.75 wingspan.

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2023/05/19/5-2023-nba-draft-prospects-know-orlando-magics-no-11-pick/2/

size basically the same as Tyler Herro who hasnt turned out too bad

Herro is someone he said he tries to model his game after. Along with Ray Allen, RIP... funny, he mentioned Straus too. I wonder if he's a Heat fan. If he ended up on the Heat, I might cry. haha

[Residual-Heat]

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[Skin]

Although I do appreciate Hawkins catch and shoot ability, we do not have enough creation on the perimeter. This is why I’d go with Gradey Dick at #11 if he is still on the board over Hawkins.

You could convince me otherwise if we had a real point guard that already does this. Unfortunately, we don’t have that player.

Beggars can be choosers in Orlando’s positions thankfully.

I appreciate your take. I just can't trust Gradey the same way. He completely collapsed in the tournament. Because of it, I just took a glance at how he performed against ranked teams and for the most part, he played poorly. I think he will find difficulty in the NBA because he doesn't create separation. To his credit, he has the confidence to take long 3s, but those are going to be extra long in the NBA and I don't trust that.

Hawkins will translate easily because of his quick set up and release. His motion, consistent form, and most of all, when others fell, he rose and delivered in big moments.

Franz, Paolo, Fultz are all capable of driving to the rack from the perimeter. Hawkins can do it too, but he can really help us by being that floor spacer, kick out guy, and deep threat.

Both players would help the Magic, but to each we have our preferences.

[Skin]

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If the Mavs took him at 10, I would be furious.

6 is too high for Hawkins, but if I'm looking at this draft and trying to come away with a 2 player combination outside of the top 5 that gives us exactly what we need. It's Jordan Hawkins and Dereck Lively.

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We have scoring, but to counter balance their efforts, a guy like Lively would bring cohesiveness and harmony to the guys who need offensive touches in the line up... Paolo, Franz, Hawkins ( ), Fultz, Anthony... We could also play WCj at the 4 in some line ups. Bottom line is the guy contributes to winning and shows up in big games.

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[eyriq]

Really good call on Lively. He's an interesting option at 11.

[KillMonger]

Like Hawkins but man I would feel like we would be wasting him.... Mose probably won't use him the way he should... I can see him just standing in a corner because that's what we make all our shooters do in our offense......no flares..... No pindowns..... No floppys..... Just stand in a corner

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If the Mavs took him at 10, I would be furious.

6 is too high for Hawkins, but if I'm looking at this draft and trying to come away with a 2 player combination outside of the top 5 that gives us exactly what we need. It's Jordan Hawkins and Dereck Lively.

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We have scoring, but to counter balance their efforts, a guy like Lively would bring cohesiveness and harmony to the guys who need offensive touches in the line up... Paolo, Franz, Hawkins ( ), Fultz, Anthony... We could also play WCj at the 4 in some line ups. Bottom line is the guy contributes to winning and shows up in big games.

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Yeah i like what ive seen from Lively too, but most mocks have him in the 20-30 range. Seems like a project bigman, but we definitely could use that type of player if he can develop.

[Skybox]

I’m high on Lively, particularly when you consider our roster…we are truly rock-solid at 3/4…I’d love to keep WCJ to back up 4/5, but Lively seems like a perfect fit behind our aggressive perimeter defenders (and mediocre forwards). I think he’ll rise and taking him at 11 might not be that much of a reach…I’d honestly feel more comfortable moving #6 (there’s so much uncertainty in that area) for a proven young guard.

[dsg2021]

Love to see these every year Skin. Really nice one again. I'm all for Jordan Hawkins at 6.

In his last 21 games Hawkins was at around 18 PPG on 39% for 3's, 49% for 2's, and 93% at the line. And a national title.

[Skybox]

I do love these guys who move so well without the ball…Reggie, Rip Hamilton, Ray Allen, JJ…it just creates chaos, switches, ball movement & exhaustion…so good, especially with our half-court heavy offense and big forwards with vision…great fit, imo

[RichCollab]

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If the Mavs took him at 10, I would be furious.

6 is too high for Hawkins, but if I'm looking at this draft and trying to come away with a 2 player combination outside of the top 5 that gives us exactly what we need. It's Jordan Hawkins and Dereck Lively.

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We have scoring, but to counter balance their efforts, a guy like Lively would bring cohesiveness and harmony to the guys who need offensive touches in the line up... Paolo, Franz, Hawkins ( ), Fultz, Anthony... We could also play WCj at the 4 in some line ups. Bottom line is the guy contributes to winning and shows up in big games.

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I would love for Dallas to pick Hawkins at 10. He is a 15 or later talent. I’m ok if we take him at 11 as he fits a need and is our 2nd pick. Dallas takes him a top 10 player will fall to us.

[Howard Mass]

I love how you do these each year.

[tiderulz]

Like Hawkins but man I would feel like we would be wasting him.... Mose probably won't use him the way he should... I can see him just standing in a corner because that's what we make all our shooters do in our offense......no flares..... No pindowns..... No floppys..... Just stand in a corner

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maybe because we dont have shooters and the ones we do have cant do more than that