2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread III

[SOUL]

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[GatorbaitDD]

I'd like to see Vuc return at a discount which has smoke. Particularly with WCJ injury history. Something like 3/50 seems reasonable.

[MasterGMer]

I am not buying Vuc's return. It is just rumors with no ground.

Of course, i want to see him return and I think he can still be a big part of the team even though he is on the decline.

[jonbob17]

I'd say Karl Anthony Towns has to be the biggest name available as a trade target, at least that we know of. He's a career 40% 3 point shooter on heavy volume. Not the greatest defender, but ok at help and rim protection, he's not the worst defender either.

Probably coming off his worst season as a pro, because you know Minnesota thought it was a good idea to start two centers.

The Magic could use shooting whereever they can get it. Center would be a really sneaky place to add 40%+ 3pt on 6+ attempts a game. Could also open up the lane a bit more for Paolo, Franz, and MF.

The big Problem with Towns is he starts his 4 year$224M supermax in 2024-25.
Can a team build a winner with $56M avg salary directed to a center (not named Jokic or Embiid)? I would think that Orlando would be one of the few teams with the financial flexibility for the next few years to find out. Franz and Paolo extensions are two and three full seasons away, and even then they are 25% of cap extensions.

Given the new rules, this KAT deal seems it's going to be a problem. I am sure Minnesota doesn't just want to give KAT away, especially after what they gave up for Gobert, but they have to do something, and I don't really know what teams could practically add KAT....

Maybe Portland could be a trading partner. Lillard to Minnesota, KAT to Orlando, 6+11 and Minny picks to Portland. Portland actually could go the other way, and Adds KAT, and uses Orlando to facilitate, Simons to Orlando, any way we could pry #3 away, with players going to Minny/Portland.

I guess the question is should we move 6+11 for KAT, knowing he has 5 years left, and the last 4 average mid 50's?

[Airgordon00]

This only happens if LeBron retires and Dame decides to ask out of Portland. Magic go all In on a big 4 and fill out the roster with ring chasing vets.

Magic in: Anthony davis and Damian Lillard.

Lakers in: Jonathan Isaac, Wendell Carter Jr., Bol Bol, 6th pick, 2025 1st, 2027 1st., 2028 pick swap.

Trailblazers in: Markelle Fultz, Gary Harris, Jalen Suggs, Chuma Okeke, 11th pick, 2025 Den 1st, 2024 1st, 2026 pick swap.

Magic go all in for a championship!!!

[Skybox]

GSW gets out of the Poole, ORL dives in the deep end...

GSW sends: Poole (4yr/$128m ), Kuminga, #19
ORL sends: Fultz ($17m expiring, $2m guaranteed), Cole Anthony, Gary Harris ($13m expiring), DEN 25 frp

for GSW:
1. get off of Poole's deal and replace his 6th man productivity with Cole Anthony for a lot less
2. Get roughly $30m in expirings, in the form of useful complementary rotation vets...added financial flexibility (see #1)
3. Add a likely late frp for the post-Curry/Klay era, not playing kids now anyway

for ORL:
1. trade improving Cole for wilder, much more expensive, but higher upside Poole and hand him the keys and pray
2. add Kuminga, who has unlimited upside/athleticism, but maybe no BBIQ and hope for the best with a potentially sweet-passing frontcourt. Keep him in a limited, but potentially substantial role as a cutter and dunker and see what else develops.
3. add a later first in a deep draft (unlikely to draft all 3 frps-but substantial trade possibilities emerge)

Poole/Wallace(#11)
Suggs/Podzmieski(#19)/Houstan
Franz/Kuminga/Okeke
Paolo/Hendricks(#6)/M. Wagner
WCJ/Isaac (if healthy)/Goga

**before you go off about drafting 3 rookies, consider that there would be little expected from them this season, they could even go to the G League, to some degree. We'd still be super young and could explore more moves as we hardly touch our cap space while holding all of these picks and prospects.

[Skybox]

GSW gets out of the Poole, ORL dives in the deep end...

GSW sends: Poole (4yr/$128m ), Kuminga, #19
ORL sends: Fultz ($17m expiring, $2m guaranteed), Cole Anthony, Gary Harris ($13m expiring), DEN 25 frp

for GSW:
1. get off of Poole's deal and replace his 6th man productivity with Cole Anthony for a lot less
2. Get roughly $30m in expirings, in the form of useful complementary rotation vets...added financial flexibility (see #1)
3. Add a likely late frp for the post-Curry/Klay era, not playing kids now anyway

for ORL:
1. trade improving Cole for wilder, much more expensive, but higher upside Poole and hand him the keys and pray
2. add Kuminga, who has unlimited upside/athleticism, but maybe no BBIQ and hope for the best with a potentially sweet-passing frontcourt. Keep him in a limited, but potentially substantial role as a cutter and dunker and see what else develops.
3. add a later first in a deep draft (unlikely to draft all 3 frps-but substantial trade possibilities emerge)

Poole/Wallace(#11)
Suggs/Podzmieski(#19)/Houstan
Franz/Kuminga/Okeke
Paolo/Hendricks(#6)/M. Wagner
WCJ/Isaac (if healthy)/Goga

**before you go off about drafting 3 rookies, consider that there would be little expected from them this season, they could even go to the G League, to some degree. We'd still be super young and could explore more moves as we hardly touch our cap space while holding all of these picks and prospects.

that's a lot of young talent in need of some vet presence, maybe follow up with signing DDV for around MLE and, if possible, could we get Steven Adams or Kyle Anderson for some vet muscle and wisdom? (I don't see a spot for Okeke or Houstan - I'd move our (top 5 protected) 24 frp for something solid and 2rp's are always available, IMO)

[Redwood]

I'm letting Harris and MCW walk. I'm trading Anthony (I just don't like his game). I'm stopping this foolishness of playing PG's at SG, especially Suggs who can't shoot. I'm splitting time at PG with Fultz and Suggs, and making the main focus of the offseason be rebuilding our SG position. If Fultz deals with injuries again and Suggs continues to struggle we move on from them next year and focus on PG.

We could also trade up for Scoot and move on from Fultz this offseason, I'd be okay with that because I don't think he's ever going to be reliable health wise and it would save us around 15m.

[AdamTheGreek]

Said it on the pod, posting here:
Re-sign Moritz and keep MCW.
I’m doing Gary Harris and 6 to Toronto for OG Anunoby. If I can’t extend him because he wants more than he’s extendable for, handshake hush hush agreement for next year.
I’m taking Klintman at 11.
We sell 36 for cash considerations.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.

Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Vooch/Brook, Moritz,
PF: Paolo, Klintman, Chuma
SF: Franz, Isaac, Bol
SG: Anunoby, Suggs, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, MCW
Then your 3 two-way guys.

My alternative was:
Re-signing Moritz. Keeping MCW.
I’m trading Isaac, Suggs, Chuma, 11 and the 2025 Denver first for Simons.
I’m drafting Taylor Hendricks at 6.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.
Starters we’re at: Wendell-Paolo-Franz-Simons-Fultz
Main rotation bench: Vooch or Lopez-Hendricks at PF- Houstan or Bol at SF - Gary at SG - and Cole.

[basketballRob]

OG only plays part-time, so he would fit in.

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[cedric76]

Said it on the pod, posting here:
Re-sign Moritz and keep MCW.
I’m doing Gary Harris and 6 to Toronto for OG Anunoby. If I can’t extend him because he wants more than he’s extendable for, handshake hush hush agreement for next year.
I’m taking Klintman at 11.
We sell 36 for cash considerations.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.

Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Vooch/Brook, Moritz,
PF: Paolo, Klintman, Chuma
SF: Franz, Isaac, Bol
SG: Anunoby, Suggs, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, MCW
Then your 3 two-way guys.

My alternative was:
Re-signing Moritz. Keeping MCW.
I’m trading Isaac, Suggs, Chuma, 11 and the 2025 Denver first for Simons.
I’m drafting Taylor Hendricks at 6.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.
Starters we’re at: Wendell-Paolo-Franz-Simons-Fultz
Main rotation bench: Vooch or Lopez-Hendricks at PF- Houstan or Bol at SF - Gary at SG - and Cole.

Wowwwww, why r u trading that much for Simons, most blazers ' fans would do Simons for 11+ 24 M trade exception

However OG would cost more than 6+Harris

[axl_c_cool]

Said it on the pod, posting here:
Re-sign Moritz and keep MCW.
I’m doing Gary Harris and 6 to Toronto for OG Anunoby. If I can’t extend him because he wants more than he’s extendable for, handshake hush hush agreement for next year.
I’m taking Klintman at 11.
We sell 36 for cash considerations.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.

Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Vooch/Brook, Moritz,
PF: Paolo, Klintman, Chuma
SF: Franz, Isaac, Bol
SG: Anunoby, Suggs, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, MCW
Then your 3 two-way guys.

My alternative was:
Re-signing Moritz. Keeping MCW.
I’m trading Isaac, Suggs, Chuma, 11 and the 2025 Denver first for Simons.
I’m drafting Taylor Hendricks at 6.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.
Starters we’re at: Wendell-Paolo-Franz-Simons-Fultz
Main rotation bench: Vooch or Lopez-Hendricks at PF- Houstan or Bol at SF - Gary at SG - and Cole.

Very realistic, I'm not sure I'd do any of it, especially the Simon's part, seems like a massive overspend on him

What's your podcast called?

[AdamTheGreek]

Said it on the pod, posting here:
Re-sign Moritz and keep MCW.
I’m doing Gary Harris and 6 to Toronto for OG Anunoby. If I can’t extend him because he wants more than he’s extendable for, handshake hush hush agreement for next year.
I’m taking Klintman at 11.
We sell 36 for cash considerations.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.

Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Vooch/Brook, Moritz,
PF: Paolo, Klintman, Chuma
SF: Franz, Isaac, Bol
SG: Anunoby, Suggs, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, MCW
Then your 3 two-way guys.

My alternative was:
Re-signing Moritz. Keeping MCW.
I’m trading Isaac, Suggs, Chuma, 11 and the 2025 Denver first for Simons.
I’m drafting Taylor Hendricks at 6.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.
Starters we’re at: Wendell-Paolo-Franz-Simons-Fultz
Main rotation bench: Vooch or Lopez-Hendricks at PF- Houstan or Bol at SF - Gary at SG - and Cole.

Very realistic, I'm not sure I'd do any of it, especially the Simon's part, seems like a massive overspend on him

What's your podcast called?

In the signature.

[AdamTheGreek]

Said it on the pod, posting here:
Re-sign Moritz and keep MCW.
I’m doing Gary Harris and 6 to Toronto for OG Anunoby. If I can’t extend him because he wants more than he’s extendable for, handshake hush hush agreement for next year.
I’m taking Klintman at 11.
We sell 36 for cash considerations.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.

Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Vooch/Brook, Moritz,
PF: Paolo, Klintman, Chuma
SF: Franz, Isaac, Bol
SG: Anunoby, Suggs, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, MCW
Then your 3 two-way guys.

My alternative was:
Re-signing Moritz. Keeping MCW.
I’m trading Isaac, Suggs, Chuma, 11 and the 2025 Denver first for Simons.
I’m drafting Taylor Hendricks at 6.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.
Starters we’re at: Wendell-Paolo-Franz-Simons-Fultz
Main rotation bench: Vooch or Lopez-Hendricks at PF- Houstan or Bol at SF - Gary at SG - and Cole.

Wowwwww, why r u trading that much for Simons, most blazers ' fans would do Simons for 11+ 24 M trade exception

However OG would cost more than 6+Harris

I think highly of Simons. So do the Blazers.
The deals fans are floating around wouldn’t be enough for Simons. Mine would be.

I think my OG offer is fair. He wants out of Toronto, they decreased his role. Raptors may be tanking. Our 6th pick is the best pick offered so far based on past trade rumors for Anunoby.

[89Magicfan]

Said it on the pod, posting here:
Re-sign Moritz and keep MCW.
I’m doing Gary Harris and 6 to Toronto for OG Anunoby. If I can’t extend him because he wants more than he’s extendable for, handshake hush hush agreement for next year.
I’m taking Klintman at 11.
We sell 36 for cash considerations.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.

Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Vooch/Brook, Moritz,
PF: Paolo, Klintman, Chuma
SF: Franz, Isaac, Bol
SG: Anunoby, Suggs, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, MCW
Then your 3 two-way guys.

My alternative was:
Re-signing Moritz. Keeping MCW.
I’m trading Isaac, Suggs, Chuma, 11 and the 2025 Denver first for Simons.
I’m drafting Taylor Hendricks at 6.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.
Starters we’re at: Wendell-Paolo-Franz-Simons-Fultz
Main rotation bench: Vooch or Lopez-Hendricks at PF- Houstan or Bol at SF - Gary at SG - and Cole.

So we’re not shooting for the playoffs?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Said it on the pod, posting here:
Re-sign Moritz and keep MCW.
I’m doing Gary Harris and 6 to Toronto for OG Anunoby. If I can’t extend him because he wants more than he’s extendable for, handshake hush hush agreement for next year.
I’m taking Klintman at 11.
We sell 36 for cash considerations.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.

Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Vooch/Brook, Moritz,
PF: Paolo, Klintman, Chuma
SF: Franz, Isaac, Bol
SG: Anunoby, Suggs, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, MCW
Then your 3 two-way guys.

My alternative was:
Re-signing Moritz. Keeping MCW.
I’m trading Isaac, Suggs, Chuma, 11 and the 2025 Denver first for Simons.
I’m drafting Taylor Hendricks at 6.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.
Starters we’re at: Wendell-Paolo-Franz-Simons-Fultz
Main rotation bench: Vooch or Lopez-Hendricks at PF- Houstan or Bol at SF - Gary at SG - and Cole.

So we’re not shooting for the playoffs?

that roster is just as offensively challenged as the one we have now right

[Redwood]

Neither Suggs or Fultz can shoot the three, they're also both really bad at drawing fouls. Suggs can't hit FT's anyway and Fultz is inconsistent. This is not a great backcourt to rely on and is an example of poor roster composition by the front office. The more I think about it the more I want Fultz gone, I'd say Suggs but he's younger and therefore gets a longer leash.

Fultz isn't elite at anything, and he's pretty poor at many things. Can't stay healthy, can't draw fouls (averages 1 drawn foul per game), can't hit three's, not a great distributor, only okay at rebounding, and inconsistent hitting the few ft's he gets.

The more the front office tries to play these two guys together the more clear it is that they have no clue what they're doing.

[89Magicfan]

Said it on the pod, posting here:
Re-sign Moritz and keep MCW.
I’m doing Gary Harris and 6 to Toronto for OG Anunoby. If I can’t extend him because he wants more than he’s extendable for, handshake hush hush agreement for next year.
I’m taking Klintman at 11.
We sell 36 for cash considerations.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.

Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Vooch/Brook, Moritz,
PF: Paolo, Klintman, Chuma
SF: Franz, Isaac, Bol
SG: Anunoby, Suggs, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, MCW
Then your 3 two-way guys.

My alternative was:
Re-signing Moritz. Keeping MCW.
I’m trading Isaac, Suggs, Chuma, 11 and the 2025 Denver first for Simons.
I’m drafting Taylor Hendricks at 6.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.
Starters we’re at: Wendell-Paolo-Franz-Simons-Fultz
Main rotation bench: Vooch or Lopez-Hendricks at PF- Houstan or Bol at SF - Gary at SG - and Cole.

So we’re not shooting for the playoffs?

that roster is just as offensively challenged as the one we have now right

Yeah screams same as it ever was.

If I do a deal with Portland, I’m doing it for the 3rd pick as well hoping that Scoot is there.

[Skybox]

Said it on the pod, posting here:
Re-sign Moritz and keep MCW.
I’m doing Gary Harris and 6 to Toronto for OG Anunoby. If I can’t extend him because he wants more than he’s extendable for, handshake hush hush agreement for next year.
I’m taking Klintman at 11.
We sell 36 for cash considerations.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.

Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Vooch/Brook, Moritz,
PF: Paolo, Klintman, Chuma
SF: Franz, Isaac, Bol
SG: Anunoby, Suggs, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, MCW
Then your 3 two-way guys.

My alternative was:
Re-signing Moritz. Keeping MCW.
I’m trading Isaac, Suggs, Chuma, 11 and the 2025 Denver first for Simons.
I’m drafting Taylor Hendricks at 6.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.
Starters we’re at: Wendell-Paolo-Franz-Simons-Fultz
Main rotation bench: Vooch or Lopez-Hendricks at PF- Houstan or Bol at SF - Gary at SG - and Cole.

Wowwwww, why r u trading that much for Simons, most blazers ' fans would do Simons for 11+ 24 M trade exception

However OG would cost more than 6+Harris

Agree with these valuations...and who is Klintman (at 11)?

[VFX]

Said it on the pod, posting here:
Re-sign Moritz and keep MCW.
I’m doing Gary Harris and 6 to Toronto for OG Anunoby. If I can’t extend him because he wants more than he’s extendable for, handshake hush hush agreement for next year.
I’m taking Klintman at 11.
We sell 36 for cash considerations.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.

Magic Depth Chart:
C: Wendell, Vooch/Brook, Moritz,
PF: Paolo, Klintman, Chuma
SF: Franz, Isaac, Bol
SG: Anunoby, Suggs, Houstan
PG: Fultz, Cole, MCW
Then your 3 two-way guys.

My alternative was:
Re-signing Moritz. Keeping MCW.
I’m trading Isaac, Suggs, Chuma, 11 and the 2025 Denver first for Simons.
I’m drafting Taylor Hendricks at 6.
I’m then throwing a front-loaded 3-year $54 million deal at Vooch or Brook Lopez. Whomever of the two is most realistic.
Starters we’re at: Wendell-Paolo-Franz-Simons-Fultz
Main rotation bench: Vooch or Lopez-Hendricks at PF- Houstan or Bol at SF - Gary at SG - and Cole.

So we’re not shooting

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