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Is there politics internally affecting the team? 

Post#1 » by fendilim » Wed Jul 5, 2023 6:18 am

From 2020 we have acquired at least 1 player every year from the University of Michigan. 6 players in total, the most of any team in the NBA.

2020 - Jon Teske (FA training camp)
2021 - Ignas (fa) / Moe (fa) / Franz* (draft)
2022 - Caleb* (draft)
2023 - Jett howard** (draft)


* - reported to have a promise from the team
** - we reached for him in the draft

Is there possible politicking happening between the Magic and University of Michigan?

I asked ChatGPT about the DeVos families ties with University of Michigan

Yes, the DeVos family has a longstanding relationship with the University of Michigan (UM). Richard DeVos Sr., the co-founder of Amway Corporation, and his wife, Helen DeVos, were prominent philanthropists and supporters of the university.

Richard and Helen DeVos were significant donors to various initiatives at the University of Michigan. In 1991, they made a substantial donation to UM's School of Business Administration, which led to the renaming of the school to the Stephen M. Ross School of Business after another major donor. The DeVos family's contributions to the university also included funding for scholarships, fellowships, and various programs.

Furthermore, Betsy DeVos, Richard and Helen DeVos's daughter-in-law, served as the United States Secretary of Education from 2017 to 2021. While Betsy DeVos herself did not attend the University of Michigan, her connection to the DeVos family and her prominent role in education policy brought attention to the family's ties with the university.

It's worth noting that the DeVos family's involvement with the University of Michigan has generated both support and controversy over the years, particularly due to differences in political ideologies and policy positions associated with the family's philanthropy.



I asked ChatGPT if there are personnels from the Orlando Magic that has ties with University of Michigan

Yes, there is a notable connection between the Orlando Magic, a professional basketball team in the National Basketball Association (NBA), and the University of Michigan.

John Hammond, the current General Manager of the Orlando Magic, has a strong association with the University of Michigan. Hammond attended the University of Nebraska, where he played college basketball. After his playing career, he started his coaching and executive journey in basketball.

Hammond's connection to the University of Michigan comes from his time working with the Wolverines' basketball program. From 1992 to 1994, he served as an assistant coach under head coach Steve Fisher at Michigan. During his tenure, Michigan reached the NCAA Tournament Final Four in 1993.

While Hammond's connection is primarily through his coaching experience, it is worth mentioning that there might be other individuals associated with the Orlando Magic organization who have ties to the University of Michigan, such as former players or personnel in other roles. However, as a language model, I don't have access to real-time information or the ability to browse current team personnel rosters. Therefore, for the most up-to-date and comprehensive information, I recommend referring to official team sources or conducting a search using reliable sports news outlets.


From Google Bard

As far as I can tell, there were no new additions to the Orlando Magic management team from Michigan in 2020. The only executive from Michigan on the team's management team is Jeff Weltman, who was born in Detroit. Weltman has been with the Magic since 2017, and he currently serves as the team's President of Basketball Operations.


Could this be the reason why we have seen us continuously acquired/signed/drafted players from Michigan?

Note: I am not against drafting players from Michigan. Franz is a solid contributor for us, but not everyone can be Franz Wagner. My worry is… is this getting in the way of building our team?
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Re: Is there politics internally affecting the team? 

Post#2 » by Fortune Teller » Wed Jul 5, 2023 1:42 pm

It seemed purely coincidental until the Jett Howard pick. Now it seems weird.

The DeVos family has become more extreme and vocal in their activism over the years. It's no longer simply a matter of giving money to Republicans. In Michigan they have substantial financial ties to the Michigan Conservative Coalition and Michigan Freedom Fund, one of the hosts of "Operation Gridlock" in Michigan in the first month of the COVID lockdown. The DeVos family is also one of the largest donors to the Claremont Institute, a think tank that has been playing a big part in the effort to rewrite voting laws and reconfigure the election system based on the bogus claims that the 2020 election was "stolen". One of Claremont's legal team wrote memos outlining how Mike Pence could overturn the results of the 2020 election. According to one article, the DeVos family has given at least $640,000 to Claremont since 2020. They've given millions to the Michigan governor's race. According to one report, they've given more than $200 million over the years to key institutions of the "Christian Right", both in Michigan and nationally. (Incidentally, Blackwater founder Erik Prince is Betsy DeVos's brother -- go read up on that guy).

None of this means acquiring all these Michigan players is some sort of conspiracy, but it's fair to say the DeVos family is very much agenda driven. If it seems to defy logic that Jonathan Isaac was re-signed to a multi-year, $84 million contract extension while injured (and with a history of injuries), and has barely played since, and continues to collect checks even though his contract is no longer fully-guaranteed...welp. We don't ever see social media posts of him rehabbing or getting up shots, but we do see his posts about his Christian Conservative books and speaking engagements.

This could also be an impediment to the Magic signing free agents. Does it seem like we used to be able to sign free agents, and now we're persona non grata? Like not even considered? Not all athletes know or care about these things, but those who do -- Ex: LeBron James -- are vocal and let it be known. These groups the DeVos family bankrolls are some of the same groups that are most vocal against civil rights movements of various minority and marginalized groups.

In short, I wouldn't put it past the DeVos family to dictate draft choices based on their financial interests. Maybe that's why Mosley looked so pissed off in the draft room that night.
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Re: Is there politics internally affecting the team? 

Post#3 » by eyriq » Wed Jul 5, 2023 1:46 pm

Man, please somehow let Shaq buy this team
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Post#4 » by D12VCMagic » Wed Jul 5, 2023 2:00 pm

If the DeVos family are actually instructing to draft Michigan players because of family ties then they should gtfo ASAP. Actually, they should gtfo even if this stuff is purely coincidental, which I believe it is tbh.
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Post#5 » by VFX » Wed Jul 5, 2023 2:17 pm

Don’t really care about their political leanings. Everyone has preferences, especially if you have money.

I DO care when preferences start motivating roster decisions. You have an argument with Isaac to an extent. The Michigan **** is absolutely a case of the owner having draft decisions. I don’t buy for a second that the majority of their draft picks are guys from Michigan is purely coincidence.
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Post#6 » by fendilim » Wed Jul 5, 2023 2:21 pm

Fortune Teller wrote:It seemed purely coincidental until the Jett Howard pick. Now it seems weird.

The DeVos family has become more extreme and vocal in their activism over the years. It's no longer simply a matter of giving money to Republicans. In Michigan they have substantial financial ties to the Michigan Conservative Coalition and Michigan Freedom Fund, one of the hosts of "Operation Gridlock" in Michigan in the first month of the COVID lockdown. The DeVos family is also one of the largest donors to the Claremont Institute, a think tank that has been playing a big part in the effort to rewrite voting laws and reconfigure the election system based on the bogus claims that the 2020 election was "stolen". One of Claremont's legal team wrote memos outlining how Mike Pence could overturn the results of the 2020 election. According to one article, the DeVos family has given at least $640,000 to Claremont since 2020. They've given millions to the Michigan governor's race. According to one report, they've given more than $200 million over the years to key institutions of the "Christian Right", both in Michigan and nationally. (Incidentally, Blackwater founder Erik Prince is Betsy DeVos's brother -- go read up on that guy).

None of this means acquiring all these Michigan players is some sort of conspiracy, but it's fair to say the DeVos family is very much agenda driven. If it seems to defy logic that Jonathan Isaac was re-signed to a multi-year, $84 million contract extension while injured (and with a history of injuries), and has barely played since, and continues to collect checks even though his contract is no longer fully-guaranteed...welp. We don't ever see social media posts of him rehabbing or getting up shots, but we do see his posts about his Christian Conservative books and speaking engagements.

This could also be an impediment to the Magic signing free agents. Does it seem like we used to be able to sign free agents, and now we're persona non grata? Like not even considered? Not all athletes know or care about these things, but those who do -- Ex: LeBron James -- are vocal and let it be known. These groups the DeVos family bankrolls are some of the same groups that are most vocal against civil rights movements of various minority and marginalized groups.

In short, I wouldn't put it past the DeVos family to dictate draft choices based on their financial interests. Maybe that's why Mosley looked so pissed off in the draft room that night.

I think you’re reaching too much on Isaac, DeVos and the Magic not being able to sign free agents because of their political stance.

The truth is, no player will want to sign with a losing team. This is already proven, even Bobby Portis talked about this with Redick.

What I’m pointing out is University of Michigan players being picked up by the Orlando Magic.

Honestly, my hunch is this is Ryan Devos’ instruction. I do remember reading an article about him taking a more active role recently.

NBA politics is nothing new, tbh. And, honestly, I don’t mind it as long as it is helping us build a winning team. But the past 3 drafts, we seem to have gone out of the way to make sure we land players from said university. Wouldn’t be surprised if Jett Howard even got a promise. Quite curious why the guy didn’t get himself measured in the combine.
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Re: Is there politics internally affecting the team? 

Post#7 » by MAGICian619 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 2:23 pm

Lol! Damn the Magic for drafting Franz!

Literally take the Franz pick away and no one is saying this. Would you all be happy then?

Let me know when they start drafting busts from Michigan. Because right now they have spend a total of 2 (the horror) first round picks on Michigan players.
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Post#8 » by 89Magicfan » Wed Jul 5, 2023 2:28 pm

SMH

This isn’t why.

We need to build a roster that makes FA want to come during a FA that doesn’t suck.

Right now we should be looking at trades.
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Post#9 » by fendilim » Wed Jul 5, 2023 2:44 pm

Ryan Devos was in the war room during the draft. Might be coincidence. He is the heir, he can be wherever he wants.

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Post#10 » by VFX » Wed Jul 5, 2023 2:55 pm

MAGICian619 wrote:Lol! Damn the Magic for drafting Franz!

Literally take the Franz pick away and no one is saying this. Would you all be happy then?

Let me know when they start drafting busts from Michigan. Because right now they have spend a total of 2 (the horror) first round picks on Michigan players.


Franz
Moritz
Houstan
Howard

All Michigan guys.

Gary Harris is Mich St.

5/15 guys from Michigan. Can’t be a total coincidence.
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Post#11 » by fendilim » Wed Jul 5, 2023 2:58 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
MAGICian619 wrote:Lol! Damn the Magic for drafting Franz!

Literally take the Franz pick away and no one is saying this. Would you all be happy then?

Let me know when they start drafting busts from Michigan. Because right now they have spend a total of 2 (the horror) first round picks on Michigan players.


Franz
Moritz
Houstan
Howard

All Michigan guys.

Gary Harris is Mich St.

5/15 guys from Michigan. Can’t be a total coincidence.

Honestly, I dont mind it as long as those guys contribute to winning.

Its just interesting to see how this is transpiring.
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Post#12 » by fendilim » Wed Jul 5, 2023 3:01 pm

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Post#13 » by OrlChamps2030 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 3:09 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
MAGICian619 wrote:Lol! Damn the Magic for drafting Franz!

Literally take the Franz pick away and no one is saying this. Would you all be happy then?

Let me know when they start drafting busts from Michigan. Because right now they have spend a total of 2 (the horror) first round picks on Michigan players.


Franz
Moritz
Houstan
Howard

All Michigan guys.

Gary Harris is Mich St.

5/15 guys from Michigan. Can’t be a total coincidence.


Too bad they missed one.. :(

I’m really close with the owners here,” Booker said Wednesday before the game. “It was funny. They had a top-five pick. Obviously, I wasn’t being rated that high. But I’m good friends with the DeVoses because we’re both from Grand Rapids, Mich. I was telling them, ‘I need to come to Orlando.’ But I knew it wasn’t going to happen. It was a long shot. I’m happy where I’m at.”
https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2016/11/25/orlando-sentinel-devin-booker-lobbied-orlando-magic-draft/

Also Adrien Payne and Keith Appling spent time with the team (both Michigan state )
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Post#14 » by bigdogdylan5 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 3:15 pm

Or maybe something more like their basketball system produces good players with good culture. I think it’s quite a stretch to jump to sinister bias. Trust me it pains me quite a bit to see us drafting so many Michigan men when I went to Ohio State but they have a great system up there with Juwan and Beilein before him. If we drafted Kobe Bufkin would this have been a thread?

Also what is the end game for the invisible hand telling them to draft Michigan players? Wouldn’t it be the best for their pocketbooks to draft the best player and have the team be actually good?
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Post#15 » by fendilim » Wed Jul 5, 2023 3:25 pm

OrlChamps2030 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
MAGICian619 wrote:Lol! Damn the Magic for drafting Franz!

Literally take the Franz pick away and no one is saying this. Would you all be happy then?

Let me know when they start drafting busts from Michigan. Because right now they have spend a total of 2 (the horror) first round picks on Michigan players.


Franz
Moritz
Houstan
Howard

All Michigan guys.

Gary Harris is Mich St.

5/15 guys from Michigan. Can’t be a total coincidence.


Too bad they missed one.. :(

I’m really close with the owners here,” Booker said Wednesday before the game. “It was funny. They had a top-five pick. Obviously, I wasn’t being rated that high. But I’m good friends with the DeVoses because we’re both from Grand Rapids, Mich. I was telling them, ‘I need to come to Orlando.’ But I knew it wasn’t going to happen. It was a long shot. I’m happy where I’m at.”
https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2016/11/25/orlando-sentinel-devin-booker-lobbied-orlando-magic-draft/

Also Adrien Payne and Keith Appling spent time with the team (both Michigan state )

I wouldnt go that deep in history.

But I find it sketchy that we have been acquiring players from Michigan in consecutive years. Could this be part of their promise to student athletes to play for Michigan?
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Post#16 » by fendilim » Wed Jul 5, 2023 3:29 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:Or maybe something more like their basketball system produces good players with good culture. I think it’s quite a stretch to jump to sinister bias. Trust me it pains me quite a bit to see us drafting so many Michigan men when I went to Ohio State but they have a great system up there with Juwan and Beilein before him. If we drafted Kobe Bufkin would this have been a thread?

Also what is the end game for the invisible hand telling them to draft Michigan players? Wouldn’t it be the best for their pocketbooks to draft the best player and have the team be actually good?
there’s no end game to this.
But to say this is coincidental may just be denying the facts. I do believe this is intentional for a reason we will never know. Even if we drafted Bufkin or any other Michigan player this will still be a thread. Because the highlight here really is the team in consecutive years have been drafting players from Michigan. Lol not only jett howard. In fact, I’m fine with the Jett pick.

We reportedly made draft promises to Franz and Caleb. And we reached to draft Jett Howard. A projected late first who didn’t even have his measurements taken at the combine…
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Post#17 » by VFX » Wed Jul 5, 2023 3:48 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:Or maybe something more like their basketball system produces good players with good culture. I think it’s quite a stretch to jump to sinister bias. Trust me it pains me quite a bit to see us drafting so many Michigan men when I went to Ohio State but they have a great system up there with Juwan and Beilein before him. If we drafted Kobe Bufkin would this have been a thread?

Also what is the end game for the invisible hand telling them to draft Michigan players? Wouldn’t it be the best for their pocketbooks to draft the best player and have the team be actually good?


Because it means there is obvious inherent bias to their decisions outside of selecting the best basketball player with the picks…

I don’t want ownership ultimately making these decisions over guys that are paid to evaluate talent.

Both can be true but also highly unlikely.

This also wouldn’t be a thread at all if Devos didn’t have close ties to that specific area of Michigan.
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Post#18 » by durden_tyler » Wed Jul 5, 2023 4:09 pm

Fortune Teller wrote:It seemed purely coincidental until the Jett Howard pick. Now it seems weird.

The DeVos family has become more extreme and vocal in their activism over the years. It's no longer simply a matter of giving money to Republicans. In Michigan they have substantial financial ties to the Michigan Conservative Coalition and Michigan Freedom Fund, one of the hosts of "Operation Gridlock" in Michigan in the first month of the COVID lockdown. The DeVos family is also one of the largest donors to the Claremont Institute, a think tank that has been playing a big part in the effort to rewrite voting laws and reconfigure the election system based on the bogus claims that the 2020 election was "stolen". One of Claremont's legal team wrote memos outlining how Mike Pence could overturn the results of the 2020 election. According to one article, the DeVos family has given at least $640,000 to Claremont since 2020. They've given millions to the Michigan governor's race. According to one report, they've given more than $200 million over the years to key institutions of the "Christian Right", both in Michigan and nationally. (Incidentally, Blackwater founder Erik Prince is Betsy DeVos's brother -- go read up on that guy).

None of this means acquiring all these Michigan players is some sort of conspiracy, but it's fair to say the DeVos family is very much agenda driven. If it seems to defy logic that Jonathan Isaac was re-signed to a multi-year, $84 million contract extension while injured (and with a history of injuries), and has barely played since, and continues to collect checks even though his contract is no longer fully-guaranteed...welp. We don't ever see social media posts of him rehabbing or getting up shots, but we do see his posts about his Christian Conservative books and speaking engagements.

This could also be an impediment to the Magic signing free agents. Does it seem like we used to be able to sign free agents, and now we're persona non grata? Like not even considered? Not all athletes know or care about these things, but those who do -- Ex: LeBron James -- are vocal and let it be known. These groups the DeVos family bankrolls are some of the same groups that are most vocal against civil rights movements of various minority and marginalized groups.

In short, I wouldn't put it past the DeVos family to dictate draft choices based on their financial interests. Maybe that's why Mosley looked so pissed off in the draft room that night.

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Post#19 » by fendilim » Wed Jul 5, 2023 5:23 pm

We also have Zavier Simpson and DJ Wilson on our G-League team last year.

dJ Wilson will be playing for our summer league…
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Post#20 » by MAGICian619 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 8:07 pm

Fortune Teller wrote:It seemed purely coincidental until the Jett Howard pick. Now it seems weird.

The DeVos family has become more extreme and vocal in their activism over the years. It's no longer simply a matter of giving money to Republicans. In Michigan they have substantial financial ties to the Michigan Conservative Coalition and Michigan Freedom Fund, one of the hosts of "Operation Gridlock" in Michigan in the first month of the COVID lockdown. The DeVos family is also one of the largest donors to the Claremont Institute, a think tank that has been playing a big part in the effort to rewrite voting laws and reconfigure the election system based on the bogus claims that the 2020 election was "stolen". One of Claremont's legal team wrote memos outlining how Mike Pence could overturn the results of the 2020 election. According to one article, the DeVos family has given at least $640,000 to Claremont since 2020. They've given millions to the Michigan governor's race. According to one report, they've given more than $200 million over the years to key institutions of the "Christian Right", both in Michigan and nationally. (Incidentally, Blackwater founder Erik Prince is Betsy DeVos's brother -- go read up on that guy).

None of this means acquiring all these Michigan players is some sort of conspiracy, but it's fair to say the DeVos family is very much agenda driven. If it seems to defy logic that Jonathan Isaac was re-signed to a multi-year, $84 million contract extension while injured (and with a history of injuries), and has barely played since, and continues to collect checks even though his contract is no longer fully-guaranteed...welp. We don't ever see social media posts of him rehabbing or getting up shots, but we do see his posts about his Christian Conservative books and speaking engagements.

This could also be an impediment to the Magic signing free agents. Does it seem like we used to be able to sign free agents, and now we're persona non grata? Like not even considered? Not all athletes know or care about these things, but those who do -- Ex: LeBron James -- are vocal and let it be known. These groups the DeVos family bankrolls are some of the same groups that are most vocal against civil rights movements of various minority and marginalized groups.

In short, I wouldn't put it past the DeVos family to dictate draft choices based on their financial interests. Maybe that's why Mosley looked so pissed off in the draft room that night.


You know it's pretty funny that people only seem to care about the politics of someone (or think it's a problem) if that person is conservative leaning. Probably says more about you and your lack of tolerance for people you may disagree with than anything else.

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