Is there a lack of player development in this organization?

[three3d]

My question can be for any time frame throughout the Magic history for anyone that has an opinion. I’m concerned with the lack of player development more recently and trying to recall a player we’ve helped grow and develop. I’ve committed several times about videos posted that shows Anthony Black working on a jump shot that isn’t going to be able to be used in an actual game. I don’t buy the argument that just because he’s 6’7” he doesn’t need to jump and it’s going to be fine. I’m seeing clearly through many different videos through different days the exact same thing, they are letting him develop this bad shot that’s not actually going to work in games. This is just one example of bad player development I’m seeing so far. Can anyone speak to any good player development?

[The Effect]

Suggs improved from a 21% 3pt shooter to a a 33% in one season?

[three3d]

Suggs improved from a 21% 3pt shooter to a a 33% in one season?

Lol not sure that is all that good.

[tiderulz]

Cole has improved over his 3 years. Franz improved across the board.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Overall, yes.

[BlueBlazer]

Dwight was pretty nicely developed by Ewing, Brendan Malone (Mike’s daddy), Clifford, and Stan back in the day. It’s hard to say whether he would have panned out as great in Charlotte but I assume he would’ve either way.

The stock of Tobias Harris, Evan Fournier, and Fultz all improved substantially while here in Orlando as well.

[three3d]

Dwight was pretty nicely developed by Ewing, Brendan Malone (Mike’s daddy), Clifford, and Stan back in the day. It’s hard to say whether he would have panned out as great in Charlotte but I assume he would’ve either way.

The stock of Tobias Harris, Evan Fournier, and Fultz all improved substantially while here in Orlando as well.

I thought about Dwight but wasn’t really sure how much his game grew outside if body growth. He definitely came in and put on a lot of muscle, but did his game grow? He never was able to become any type of threat away from the rim and didn’t want to use a jump shot even when close. Dwight was a physical freak for sure, but I don’t know if he ever reached his full capabilities even outside Orlando and his maturity had something to do with that.

[PigsEatHam]

I think Vooch really grew as player while he was here. From a random player in the Dwight trade to an all-star twice over and a respectable shooter behind the arc.

We also had two players win Most Improved while with Orlando: Darrell Armstrong and Hedo. Old examples, but still.

[BlueBlazer]

Dwight was pretty nicely developed by Ewing, Brendan Malone (Mike’s daddy), Clifford, and Stan back in the day. It’s hard to say whether he would have panned out as great in Charlotte but I assume he would’ve either way.

The stock of Tobias Harris, Evan Fournier, and Fultz all improved substantially while here in Orlando as well.

I thought about Dwight but wasn’t really sure how much his game grew outside if body growth. He definitely came in and put on a lot of muscle, but did his game grow? He never was able to become any type of threat away from the rim and didn’t want to use a jump shot even when close. Dwight was a physical freak for sure, but I don’t know if he ever reached his full capabilities even outside Orlando and his maturity had something to do with that.

Yeah, I think his immaturity had a lot to do with it. Imagining Dwight with a Kobe-like work ethic is scary. I think the improvement year-over-year in those first 5 years was pretty impressive. Not sure you can become a 3-time DPOY and borderline HOFer on athleticism alone.

[KillMonger]

Suggs improved from a 21% 3pt shooter to a a 33% in one season?

Lol not sure that is all that good.

It is

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[msmoore66]

My question can be for any time frame throughout the Magic history for anyone that has an opinion. I’m concerned with the lack of player development more recently and trying to recall a player we’ve helped grow and develop. I’ve committed several times about videos posted that shows Anthony Black working on a jump shot that isn’t going to be able to be used in an actual game. I don’t buy the argument that just because he’s 6’7” he doesn’t need to jump and it’s going to be fine. I’m seeing clearly through many different videos through different days the exact same thing, they are letting him develop this bad shot that’s not actually going to work in games. This is just one example of bad player development I’m seeing so far. Can anyone speak to any good player development?

I can see you are very passionate about this shot form. I can also see where you are coming from. I also can see where counter arguments that reference other players with similar releases having success are coming from.
What I keep coming back to myself, is that professional trainers and coaches are allowing him to practice shooting like that. I would expect them to have good reason to allow that, and not force him to change his release. We shall see.

[T-Cat]

When we drafted Mo Bamba in 2018, the organization as an unit failed him because they gave him "Darko Milicic" treatment!

We drafted him knowing his lack of motor and raw potential/ playing behind Vucevic.

On top of that, not having a big man coach to push him to his potential!

Remember these players are coming to the league not mature and NBA ready!

[fateis007]

bro, you been spamming about the damn vertical on his jump shot and its weird.

give it a rest and wait for the reason to start before you label our rookie a terrible shooter that wont get his shot off. The vet we picked up is a career 40% 3 point shooter and gets about 1 inch off the ground on his 3s. This whole ideal that all the elite shooters have insane lift on their shots is completely fabricated.

kind of crazy how whiney the board is being and were only a few weeks in. this is going to be a long offseason.

[SOUL]

I think we're a pretty average development team. A lot of guys haven't done well besides where we were, some guys got slightly better but mostly because it was natural for them at that age (Oladipo, Tobias even more), some guys sucked everywhere.

You have a few truly elite teams like San Antonio, Toronto, Miami in terms of getting the most value out of guys, but some players can get the best development and still do nothing with it.

[RookieStar]

Suggs improved from a 21% 3pt shooter to a a 33% in one season?

Lol not sure that is all that good.

It is

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Yeah... i dont get it. For a 1 year span thats actually a VERY big deal.

[Redwood]

When you've been as bad as we've been for so long a lot of things are going wrong. I don't think we draft well, sign the right FA's, manage our assets wisely, or develop players properly.

People can disagree with me if they'd like, but everything happens for a reason. We've been bad, the worst team in the NBA over the past 10+ seasons, that doesn't happen by accident or "bad luck". A loser mentality has taken over this franchise, we haven't had anyone on this team for a LONG time that has any clue how to win. And I'll continue to say it, one MASSIVE problem with our inability to develop players properly is we have zero veteran leadership. I've never seen a franchise go about things in this way, it's like we have the blind leading the blind out there. It's why I badly wanted us to trade our draft picks for veteran help. The last thing this ludicrously young team needed was two more teenagers.

I'm probably in the minority here but I think this franchise needs a reboot, new leadership, new voices, new perspectives.

[SOUL]

You would never know we had two promising very potential (and likely) all-stars and a solid roster with flexible directions and draft capital, as well as the highest added wins in the east last season (with our roster being completely decimated for 25% of it).

People really want us to go all in Skiles-Hennigan mode again or be like Houston. Wild times.

[Redwood]

We added the most wins because we were so dreadful the season before. I just choose to look at things realistically and better doesn't mean good. I like Franz and Banchero as much as everyone else but two players don't make a roster. We have serious question marks with every other player on this roster, and again, no veteran leadership of any kind. Every great player had vets to learn from, every great team had a mix of vets and youth. The way we're building this team is absurd, there's no other way to put it. In the end it might work out, but the odds are it won't. And if we keep making our two potential star players play with 80 million different lineups because a billion 1st round pick guards continue to falter, none of this will matter because they're out of here the first chance they get.

I don't think anyone has asked to be "all in", I think you're being a bit dishonest by making that claim. There are different scenarios, bringing in vets to help push you over the top and bringing them in to help mentor young players that could use the help. Since we're clearly not a championship caliber team the request for veteran help is clearly designed to help guide our young players...a massively important step our front office and coaching staff appear to be oblivious to.

[fendilim]

Yes there is a lack of player development.

We’ve been hiring skills coaches which is great.

But we haven’t hired a shooting coach since Hennigan took over, then now its Weltman’s. So that’s across two regimes without shooting coach…. And guess what… we dont even draft good shooters.

I’m really disappointed how this team, who obviously lacks shooting, didn’t bother to hire Chip Engelland. The most renowned shooting coach of the Spurs, and now the working for OKC. This guy has over two decades of experience.

This is terrible, horrible and disgusting.

[SHAQ32]

The only non-top 3 pick that we drafted and also "developed" into an all-star? I can only think of Jameer-cat.