3 Point Shooters we should trade for

[ogmagicfan]

We're all aware what our weakness is. It's the same weakness we've had for every year since Dwight left. It's SHOOTING.

We've heard plenty about the usual suspects. Brogdon, Doug Mcdermott, etc

What are some players who haven't been brought up as much, that'd you'd want us to target. They could be stars or role players.

I just want whoever we're getting to atleast be a decent defender along with their shooting. Someone like Doug Mcdermott is a outstanding shooter, but an awful defender, which makes it hard to use them in situational lineups with starters if necessary

[Rainwater]

To me it seems difficult to find a good 3D player nowadays. While they maybe able to play defense they can’t shoot the three. If they can shoot the 3, they can’t play defense. I would love Simons or Trent Jr. on this team but their defense is not the best. If they are even tradable pieces, I think they are worth the risk and guys the magic should pursue.

OG might be an option but I don’t know if he would be considered a shooter or if he is even available.

[ibraheim718]

We're all aware what our weakness is. It's the same weakness we've had for every year since Dwight left. It's SHOOTING.

We've heard plenty about the usual suspects. Brogdon, Doug Mcdermott, etc

What are some players who haven't been brought up as much, that'd you'd want us to target. They could be stars or role players.

I just want whoever we're getting to atleast be a decent defender along with their shooting. Someone like Doug Mcdermott is a outstanding shooter, but an awful defender, which makes it hard to use them in situational lineups with starters if necessary

Let me give you some hints into this.. most good shooters are bad defenders because they've spent their lives learning and perfecting their perimeter shots.

Now you can go trade for Luke Kennard (a package centered around Jalen Suggs can easily net you Kennard if you throw in some salary) who is the best 3pt shooter in the league so he can sit on the bench at the end of games like he did in LAC or Mem. What do you think Memphis would say to that kind of trade?

This team isn't ready to just trade for a shooter or someone else's PG (why would another team want to trade them anyway?) and plug them in and then you're title contenders (which should be the ultimate goal). You don't even know if Paolo can learn how to close games effectively throughout an 82 game season. You know Wagner can get you 18-20ppg and is pretty durable, but is that good enough for a championship?

The fan base on here needs patience.

[ogmagicfan]

To me it seems difficult to find a good 3D player nowadays. While they maybe able to play defense they can’t shoot the three. If they can shoot the 3, they can’t play defense. I would love Simons or Trent Jr. on this team but their defense is not the best. If they are even tradable pieces, I think they are worth the risk and guys the magic should pursue.

OG might be an option but I don’t know if he would be considered a shooter or if he is even available.

It definitely feels like there is less of then nowadays. Which is interesting because it's been an important player archetype that only has grown in importance with time

Simons is rough for his defense which leaves alot to be desired. I dont know what it is about Blazers drafted guards but theyre consistently good-great offensively, but cant guard anything. It'd depend on what theyre asking for, I wouldnt give too much though

Masai is playing Danny Ainge levels of hard ball (I have to win the trade) type mentakity that it makes it kinda hard to envision a trade with them

[ogmagicfan]

We're all aware what our weakness is. It's the same weakness we've had for every year since Dwight left. It's SHOOTING.

We've heard plenty about the usual suspects. Brogdon, Doug Mcdermott, etc

What are some players who haven't been brought up as much, that'd you'd want us to target. They could be stars or role players.

I just want whoever we're getting to atleast be a decent defender along with their shooting. Someone like Doug Mcdermott is a outstanding shooter, but an awful defender, which makes it hard to use them in situational lineups with starters if necessary

Let me give you some hints into this.. most good shooters are bad defenders because they've spent their lives learning and perfecting their perimeter shots.

Now you can go trade for Luke Kennard (a package centered around Jalen Suggs can easily net you Kennard if you throw in some salary) who is the best 3pt shooter in the league so he can sit on the bench at the end of games like he did in LAC or Mem. What do you think Memphis would say to that kind of trade?

This team isn't ready to just trade for a shooter or someone else's PG (why would another team want to trade them anyway?) and plug them in and then you're title contenders (which should be the ultimate goal). You don't even know if Paolo can learn how to close games effectively throughout an 82 game season. You know Wagner can get you 18-20ppg and is pretty durable, but is that good enough for a championship?

The fan base on here needs patience.

I'm patient and I've always advocated for it, my post history reflects it. I've supported us letting the young guys get PT and getting high draft pics instead of trying to "win now" since the beginning of the rebuild

I just understand there reaches a point where we need to put the right personnel around our stars (Paolo & Franz) in order to properly evaluate their games. This isn't about trying to move the cards in to "win now", its to get a better look at the true potential of our team

There's no understatement how much our lack of shooting hurts our offensive side of the ball. I'm not advocating throwing away all of our assets for someone, but getting a nice shooter would help out alot in situational lineups.

The hope was Ingles would be that guy, but its clear he's taking a Jeff Green when he was on Orlando for a season and sees this as a nice warm vacation spot. His effort is abyssmal. If he was playing good I'd be fine with sitting pat

Considering we have Fultz we can move, getting a decent shooter for him and maybe throwing in the Den 1st or some 2nd would be my preferiable outcome

[RookieStar]

We need Kyrie's sage burning first on our franchise before we get a shooter. Our franchise seems to have this curs... I mean mojo where good shooters forget how to shoot.

[zuppafly]

Where is the human torch?

[Skybox]

Where is the human torch?

The irony is that' exactly the player profile we need.

Jett Howard...pretty sure he wasn't drafted ahead of all the other shooters by accident...pretty sure

[MagicHolland]

KAT..?

[MasterGMer]

I think we have enough shooters: Ingles, Jett Howard, Gary Harris, and Cole. All are capable 3 point shooters. The point is to find the correct rotation to use their strength, which is to shoot.

I am a fan of AB. Dude's best attribute is his defense, which fits very well with what we do defensively.

Suggs has been the difference maker and winner on the court. i think part of the reason why our second half defense was so atrocious is the fact that Jalen didn't play that much. (whether it is that his 3 point shooting or not)

We just tanked and gave away the game we should have won, period. I was mad after the loss and very disappointed in our effort in the second half. btw Mavs are very beatable

[Skybox]

Simons…and he’s gettable, imo

I wanted Herro, because he’s a proven creator with the ball, as well as sniper, but I imagine when the Dame trade slipped away, Riley was more focused on blowing smoke up his butt than moving him. We probably could’ve had him for picks and salary filler.

[Def Swami]

KAT..?

I don't hate this idea.

[Skin]

Well I was banging the table for Jordan Hawkins who just put up 31 pts going 7 for 14 from 3 and currently has a 36.4 3P%. Just wait until he gets adjusted to the NBA range. He's gonna be a star in no time.

But we got some non-basketball skill possessing prospect named Anthony Black because he's long. Our saving grace was drafting Jett, but Mosely apparently doesn't think much of him. Why did we draft Jett if he's only gonna play if Franz gets hurt?

All of our stockpiling mistakes makes my head hurt.

[KillMonger]

Well I was banging the table for Jordan Hawkins who just put up 31 pts going 7 for 14 from 3 and currently has a 36.4 3P%. Just wait until he gets adjusted to the NBA range. He's gonna be a star in no time.

But we got some non-basketball skill possessing prospect named Anthony Black because he's long. Our saving grace was drafting Jett, but Mosely apparently doesn't think much of him. Why did we draft Jett if he's only gonna play if Franz gets hurt?

All of our stockpiling mistakes makes my head hurt.

hell are you talking about? black is playing well and jett will get his opportunity....but who cares really? we got paolo and franz....anybody minus wemby would be in the same situation on this team....on the bench

[pepe1991]

KAT..?

I don't hate this idea.

Did you see his salary?
$52M for next year

[jezzerinho]

I've never believed - and I still don't believe - that 3pt shooting is our biggest need.

No question about it, you need a decent vol and decent % from 3 to help keep pace with some of the more high octane offenses. Most of all you need it for spacing. Basketball is where biomechanics meet trigonometry. One of the big meeting points is with spacing. If I can get you spread enough, your help defender won't arrive in time to counter my move/pass. It's maths.

So I acknowledge bigtime the benefit of 3pt shooting.

But the Magic, as well as being poor at shooting, has been even poorer at moving the ball and off-ball movement of the players. Back to trig and biomechanics. Static offenses are easy to defend.

It's instructive I think that the championship contenders last year were, with a couple of exceptions, either out of the top third in 3pt vol or in 3pt% or both.

What they were good at is halfcourt offense. Which is about manipulation, movement, passing and isolation scoring.

I believe Orlando is putting more emphasis on those aspects this year so far and letting the 3pt chips fall where they may.

Ingles is apparently washed and a bum, according to this forum. While he was never going to be the saviour of the team, I think its pretty clear he's been tasked with helping move the ball (esp in the v sticky second unit) and not to camp in the corner to heave trips.

Ditto Black. Ditto Paolo, who is patently trying to get teammates involved more than last year (and he wasn't even bad at it last year).

The Mavs game went tïts-up more for the lack of ball movement than the shooting drying up, imo.

When the shots stop falling at the absurd rate they fell in the 1Q, you knuckle down on D and you try to pass your way to the rim to get mojo and momentum back. Instead, Orl went hero-ball mode.

I'm not saying we should ignore 3pt shooting. But in Ingles, Jett, Harris, Cole, Wendell, Franz, Isaac, we probably have enough to keep us out of the bottom third in vol/%, which is when spacing becomes a problem.

What we don't have is a halfcourt initiator, we don't have anywhere near enough off-ball movement, we give up on swinging the ball at crucial moments and we need to develop Franz/Paolo's iso games.

Mike Conley would make a huge difference to this team, even at his stage in his career. Maybe Black develops to the point where he's a viable starter on a team that wants to get to the playoffs, but I doubt it this year.

[drsd]

KAT..?

I don't hate this idea.

Note: he is shooting 23.5% with the longball this year.

[drsd]

I've never believed - and I still don't believe - that 3pt shooting is our biggest need.

I think Orlando will get a lot of 3pt scores points from the And-1, given F-Wagner and Banchero being the focus of the offense.

So: what Orlando needs from its guards is floor spacing. A 3D player does not give the Magic that. Placing G-Harris in the corner for 30 minutes per game is not a floor spacing solution.

Orlando is at 45.5% with it's FG%. That's horrible.
Orlando's greatest need is scoring from a guard. That means that either Fultz or Suggs needs to be traded for a more efficient scorer, not a higher volume shooter.

Tyler Herro is the name many here have through out. He would be an upgrade over either Fultz at PG or Suggs at SG for shooting efficiency.


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Purely on offensive FG% efficiency, Bones Hyland is an upgrade over Fultz on offense.
Purely on offensive FG% efficiency, Luguentz Dort and Lonnie Walker IV are upgrades over Suggs on offense.

Getting such players is not "blowing up" the assets.

[pepe1991]

I don't think there is anything to evaluate our performances, after 7 games.

Too early. Let's wait until at least 20 pass to have something tengable to talk about.

[jezzerinho]

I don't think there is anything to evaluate our performances, after 7 games.

Too early. Let's wait until at least 20 pass to have something tengable to talk about.

Well, there something to evaluate because we're largely returning the same team as last season, so the sample size is already pretty big. I agree with you that for evidence of more ball movement this year, we need to see more games, but watching games it's clear we're passing it more and also upping the pace.