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Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:18 pm**

He and Franz are eligible for extensions this summer (that will kick in after next season). In recent history, most relevant rookies get extended or it’s seen as a sign of uncertainty about their future with the team. There are exceptions, like Maxey, who is obviously playing along with with Morey’s master plan for contention. Suggs’ defense, heart, and leadership are priceless but an overpay, with max or near max deals looming for Paolo & Franz, could basically lock up the ORL core “as-is”…which would be a disaster, imo. This is a risky business - when your (distant) third best player is showing great flashes of stardom, but is also getting hurt often, possibly hitting a ceiling as a role player, might be largely replaceable by a lesser but cheaper young player, etc etc. the vision of Suggs’ ceiling still is very unclear…DPOY ? All-Star? role player off the bench? chronically injured? sixth man? All are conceivable

What will Suggs get? This is a significant negotiation.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:31 pm**

This is a great question. He's shown amazing defensive potential, inconsistent offense, and has been plagued by injuries. I think he'll extend for something like $56M/4 years, $14M AAV.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:53 pm**

eyriq wrote:This is a great question. He's shown amazing defensive potential, inconsistent offense, and has been plagued by injuries. I think he'll extend for something like $56M/4 years, $14M AAV.

No way in hell he signs for so little. He is a 39% shooter from 3 this year on a decent volume and an elite defender who will probably get a an All-Defense team nod. He is also missed only 4 gamees so far. Anything below 20 mln. per year would be a bargain for us.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:58 pm**

The way the cap is rising, I think he's probably in the 4/80 range.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:01 pm**

Bergmaniac wrote:
eyriq wrote:This is a great question. He's shown amazing defensive potential, inconsistent offense, and has been plagued by injuries. I think he'll extend for something like $56M/4 years, $14M AAV.

No way in hell he signs for so little. He is a 39% shooter from 3 this year on a decent volume and an elite defender who will probably get a an All-Defense team nod. He is also missed only 4 gamees so far. Anything below 20 mln. per year would be a bargain for us.

I went with a 110% raise. Seems reasonable to me, with a player option in there.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:18 pm**

eyriq wrote:This is a great question. He's shown amazing defensive potential, inconsistent offense, and has been plagued by injuries. I think he'll extend for something like $56M/4 years, $14M AAV.

Suggs getting at least 100m , don’t know the years.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:40 pm**

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
eyriq wrote:This is a great question. He's shown amazing defensive potential, inconsistent offense, and has been plagued by injuries. I think he'll extend for something like $56M/4 years, $14M AAV.

Suggs getting at least 100m , don’t know the years.

I'm not convinced of this.

He'll get more than Cole, but I don't think he'll get double Cole.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 4:13 pm**

How different is his impact on the game from Alex Caruso? I'd start there, they are both oft injured, excellent defensive guards that can shoot.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:13 pm**

p0peye wrote:How different is his impact on the game from Alex Caruso? I'd start there, they are both oft injured, excellent defensive guards that can shoot.

Thats very good argument. If we take age, next tv deal and Caruso being underpaid i would say someting in the 15-20M range depending how he closes the year.
ps. Cole looking more and more overpaid. Thank god its 2+1 with team option.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:44 pm**

I'd figure 15-20 mil, maybe a lil higher with incentives about health & team performance

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:20 pm**

zaymon wrote:
p0peye wrote:How different is his impact on the game from Alex Caruso? I'd start there, they are both oft injured, excellent defensive guards that can shoot.

Thats very good argument. If we take age, next tv deal and Caruso being underpaid i would say someting in the 15-20M range depending how he closes the year.
ps. Cole looking more and more overpaid. Thank god its 2+1 with team option.

I wouldn't be mad at that. Say something like 4/75.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:25 pm**

We've got an AAV range of $14-$25 M.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:56 pm**

Knightro wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
eyriq wrote:This is a great question. He's shown amazing defensive potential, inconsistent offense, and has been plagued by injuries. I think he'll extend for something like $56M/4 years, $14M AAV.

Suggs getting at least 100m , don’t know the years.

I'm not convinced of this.

He'll get more than Cole, but I don't think he'll get double Cole.

not convinced either

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:31 pm**

Knightro wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
eyriq wrote:This is a great question. He's shown amazing defensive potential, inconsistent offense, and has been plagued by injuries. I think he'll extend for something like $56M/4 years, $14M AAV.

Suggs getting at least 100m , don’t know the years.

I'm not convinced of this.

He'll get more than Cole, but I don't think he'll get double Cole.

this SHOULD be a very realistic take...he could well be worth $20m per, IF he continues on his trajectory of offensive improvement. The way his shooting % has improved is astronomical, year to year...but also smallish sample size. Do you base this on his expected improvement or where he's at? (and what does his agent say? you don't want it to get contentious, but...).

I expect $18m x 4, but hopefully as front-loaded as possible. Over that is a real risk for a guy that might be an oft-injured defensive role player...under that could be a steal or even an offensive offer. He's GOT to be a solid #3 or #4 on a playoff threat starting lineup to deserve more than 20, imo. There are plenty of examples of stiffs making that much and they're all regrettable deals.

right now...he's a distant #3 on a team not certain to make the playoffs at all. So much promise, but much of the buzz is intangible stuff which is hard to value.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:59 pm**

He’s probably looking at that OG/De’Andre Hunter kind of money.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:12 pm**

Bensational wrote:He’s probably looking at that OG/De’Andre Hunter kind of money.

Highly doubt it, he's injury prone and inconsistent overall. I think it will be between 50-65ish.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:13 pm**

Whats the MAX that a rookie deal extension is allowed? I think he takes maybe 60% of that.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:45 pm**

The-Stallion70 wrote:
Bensational wrote:He’s probably looking at that OG/De’Andre Hunter kind of money.

Highly doubt it, he's injury prone and inconsistent overall. I think it will be between 50-65ish.

I think if he’s offered an extension below that amount he gambles on himself to show he’s worth it the following season before RFA. On a team with cap space and only 2 stars (neither on max deals yet) it’s gonna be hard to tell him he’s worth less than $20M a season.

I wouldn’t bet against Suggs long term, I’d bet on him.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:56 pm**

2023 NBA Rookie Scale Extensions:

LaMelo Ball (Hornets): Five years, maximum salary. Projected value: $216,953,495, up to $260,344,194 with incentives.
Anthony Edwards (Timberwolves): Five years, maximum salary. Projected value: $216,953,495, up to $260,344,194 with incentives.
Tyrese Haliburton (Pacers): Five years, maximum salary. Projected value: $216,953,495, up to $260,344,194 with incentives.
Desmond Bane (Grizzlies): Five years, $197,230,450.
Devin Vassell (Spurs): Five years, $135,000,000.
Jaden McDaniels (Timberwolves): Five years, $131,000,000.
Onyeka Okongwu (Hawks): Four years, $62,000,000.
Isaiah Stewart (Pistons): Four years, $60,000,000.
Deni Avdija (Wizards): Four years, $55,000,000.
Josh Green (Mavericks): Three years, $41,000,000.
Cole Anthony (Magic): Three years, $39,100,000.
Aaron Nesmith (Pacers): Three years, $33,000,000.
Zeke Nnaji (Nuggets): Four years, $28,000,000.

2022 NBA Rookie Scale Extensions:

Ja Morant (Grizzlies): Five years, maximum salary. Projected value: $194,300,000, up to $233,160,000 with incentives.
Darius Garland (Cavaliers): Five years, maximum salary. Projected value: $194,300,000, up to $233,160,000 with incentives.
Zion Williamson (Pelicans): Five years, maximum salary. Projected value: $194,300,000, up to $233,160,000 with incentives.
Jordan Poole (Warriors): Four years, $123,000,000.
Tyler Herro (Heat): Four years, $120,000,000.
RJ Barrett (Knicks): Four years, $107,000,000.
De’Andre Hunter (Hawks): Four years, $90,000,000.
Keldon Johnson (Spurs): Four years, $74,000,000.
Kevin Porter Jr. (Rockets): Four years, $63,440,000.
Brandon Clarke (Grizzlies): Four years, $50,000,000.
Nassir Little (Trail Blazers): Four years, $28,000,000.

2023 NBA Rookie Scale Extension Recap - Hoops Rumors
2022 NBA Rookie Scale Extension Recap - Hoops Rumors

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:01 am**

easily 20+ mill/yr. we just saw Jaden Mcdaniels get 27 mill/yr.

3&D players get paid, and he's easily one of the best guard defenders in the league while shooting almost 40% from 3.

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