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So originally with the 6th pick I hated the AB pick, I was integrated by Bilal Coulibaly’s game and skill set and seen him as a possible sub for Franz or Paolo with lots of upside. Today that pick would be Cason Wallace or still AB.

That leads me to a question about Cason Wallace before I move onto pick 11 ( The Jett pick ) did Cason Wallace work out for Orlando last year and had there been any rumors of him being targeted by us? OKC jumped from 12 to 10 in a move that doesn’t make sense unless he was our targeted pick.

So with Wallace going at 10 today that redo pick would naturally be Derek Livley. However at that time with the 11th pick I really wanted Jordan Hawkins. Hawkins ability to be a threat without the ball in his hand utilizing screens to catch and shoot seemed PERFECT next to Paolo’s heavy usage. Reminded me of a Ray Allen or JJ Redick nightmare of a player running the defender all of the court tiring them out just to catch a perfect pass and shoot a dagger 3 pointer.

I'd have just taken Jett with our 2nd rounder...

Just kidding. I actually like both of our picks...I just get annoyed by the way some here talk about them as if they were already anything special. I hope they become special- but they're just not - yet. Hater. Hater. Hater....I guess.

In a redo, knowing what we know now - I'd go with:

6th pick...Wallace *Ideally, traded this pick, with the DEN pick and expiring (Fultz and/or Harris) for Anfernee Simons

11th pick...Lively perfect platoon with WCJ, different strengths and looks, we could bring him along slowly, like DAL with Gaff

Skybox wrote:I'd have just taken Jett with our 2nd rounder...

Just kidding. I actually like both of our picks...I just get annoyed by the way some here talk about them as if they were already anything special. I hope they become special- but they're just not - yet. Hater. Hater. Hater....I guess.

In a redo, knowing what we know now - I'd go with:

6th pick...Wallace *Ideally, traded this pick, with the DEN pick and expiring (Fultz and/or Harris) for Anfernee Simons

11th pick...Lively perfect platoon with WCJ, different strengths and looks, we could bring him along slowly, like DAL with Gaff

lol I think we could have got Jett as an undrafted FA

three3d wrote:So originally with the 6th pick I hated the AB pick, I was integrated by Bilal Coulibaly’s game and skill set and seen him as a possible sub for Franz or Paolo with lots of upside. Today that pick would be Cason Wallace or still AB.

That leads me to a question about Cason Wallace before I move onto pick 11 ( The Jett pick ) did Cason Wallace work out for Orlando last year and had there been any rumors of him being targeted by us? OKC jumped from 12 to 10 in a move that doesn’t make sense unless he was our targeted pick.

So with Wallace going at 10 today that redo pick would naturally be Derek Livley. However at that time with the 11th pick I really wanted Jordan Hawkins. Hawkins ability to be a threat without the ball in his hand utilizing screens to catch and shoot seemed PERFECT next to Paolo’s heavy usage. Reminded me of a Ray Allen or JJ Redick nightmare of a player running the defender all of the court tiring them out just to catch a perfect pass and shoot a dagger 3 pointer.

I saw a passing rumor around the draft that we apparently were going to take Wallace at 11 and were going to trade him to Toronto for 13+. OKC jumped us to ensure that got Wallace and we took Howard at 11 instead of trading down for him. I could be wrong, my memory is terrible and this was a year ago.

A draft redo is easy for me: trade out of the draft. If the Magic could have flipped Fultz, #6 and #11 for Portland's Simons, just imagine what the season could have been. There are dozens of such trades that made sense predraft.

drsd wrote:A draft redo is easy for me: trade out of the draft. If the Magic could have flipped Fultz, #6 and #11 for Portland's Simons, just imagine what the season could have been. There are dozens of such trades that made sense predraft.

I really like Simon’s for us and still think we could get him fairly easy this summer. Portland is near the luxury tax and a bad team in a tough conference. Would they take Cole+Jett+ future 1st round pick to cut some salary?

Skybox wrote:I'd have just taken Jett with our 2nd rounder...

Just kidding. I actually like both of our picks...I just get annoyed by the way some here talk about them as if they were already anything special. I hope they become special- but they're just not - yet. Hater. Hater. Hater....I guess.

In a redo, knowing what we know now - I'd go with:

6th pick...Wallace *Ideally, traded this pick, with the DEN pick and expiring (Fultz and/or Harris) for Anfernee Simons

11th pick...Lively perfect platoon with WCJ, different strengths and looks, we could bring him along slowly, like DAL with Gaff

I had Wallace at 6 for most of the pre-draft last year, and then I talked myself into Black with his size, playmaking, and defense. That being said, I still love Black long term.

I do wish we would have gotten Wallace also...I have to believe OKC jumped us, knowing we were taking Cason. We could have made Dallas pay by taking Lively, who looks like a great center prospect...and there were other guys like Podz or George(who i didnt think would be nearly this good)...I still have a feeling about Jett, but I liked guys more there at the time, and definitely after year 1.

I had Wallace/Black at #6 and Wallace/Bufkin at #11.

I was fine with Black, but thought Wallace was the better fit. Absolutely perplexed by the Jett Howard pick as was any other sane individual that followed this draft for 1-2 years.

Jury is still out on Bufkin, but at this point I'd rather they just traded this pick for someone that didnt require 2-3 seasons of development before they played real NBA minutes.

three3d wrote:

drsd wrote:A draft redo is easy for me: trade out of the draft. If the Magic could have flipped Fultz, #6 and #11 for Portland's Simons, just imagine what the season could have been. There are dozens of such trades that made sense predraft.

I really like Simon’s for us and still think we could get him fairly easy this summer. Portland is near the luxury tax and a bad team in a tough conference. Would they take Cole+Jett+ future 1st round pick to cut some salary?

Suggs/Black/vet
Simons/vet/Houstan
F-Wagner/Ingles/vet
Banchero/Isaac/vet
Carter/M-Wagner/vet

I like this very much, but it is not trouble free.
Your trade means the Magic uses its cap space to fill out easy to obtain depth. The question this roster needs to address is the capacity of Suggs and Simons to co-exist. Longer term, Black will never start on this roster.

drsd wrote:

three3d wrote:

drsd wrote:A draft redo is easy for me: trade out of the draft. If the Magic could have flipped Fultz, #6 and #11 for Portland's Simons, just imagine what the season could have been. There are dozens of such trades that made sense predraft.

I really like Simon’s for us and still think we could get him fairly easy this summer. Portland is near the luxury tax and a bad team in a tough conference. Would they take Cole+Jett+ future 1st round pick to cut some salary?

Suggs/Black/vet
Simons/vet/Houstan
F-Wagner/Ingles/vet
Banchero/Isaac/vet
Carter/M-Wagner/vet

I like this very much, but it is not trouble free.
Your trade means the Magic uses its cap space to fill out easy to obtain depth. The question this roster needs to address is the capacity of Suggs and Simons to co-exist. Longer term, Black will never start on this roster.

Orlando trades: Wendell Carter, Cole Anthony, and one of Denver's 2025 frp OR this years 2024 frp.
Portland trades: Simons & the better of their second round picks (#34)

Resign Goga. Draft a Big in the second round.

That leaves:

Simons/Black
Suggs/Jett
Franz/Houstan
Paolo/JI
Goga/Moe/srp

I wanted:
#6 - Ausar/ Coulibaly/ AB
#11 - Lively/shooter (not Gradey)

At the time, I still believed Markelle would be our future PGb especially after how he ended last season. So, I wanted to go defensive wing + big for the future or a shooting prospect.

If we simply take Lively #11 and play AB over Fultz (injuries) all season, I think the entire fanbase is praising Jeff for another homerun draft.

AB
Suggs
Franz
Paolo
Lively

At this stage, I would have taken any of the other first round picks over Jett. The dude got well outplayed by Matt McClung in the G-League. May have been their 3rd best player at that after DJ Wilson.

Doing a redo draft after a year is so silly and pointless, players take time to develop (see Suggs)

drsd wrote:A draft redo is easy for me: trade out of the draft. If the Magic could have flipped Fultz, #6 and #11 for Portland's Simons, just imagine what the season could have been. There are dozens of such trades that made sense predraft.

Yep, we are in dire need of consolidation trade, can't take any more rookies.

cedric76 wrote:Doing a redo draft after a year is so silly and pointless, players take time to develop (see Suggs)

I saw that you commented and was eager to see you actually second-guess Weltman…guess not

100% chance Weltman & many other GM’s would revise their picks with a year’s hindsight & surprising team growth. They are very good but it’s far from an exact science.

Skybox wrote:

cedric76 wrote:Doing a redo draft after a year is so silly and pointless, players take time to develop (see Suggs)

I saw that you commented and was eager to see you actually second-guess Weltman…guess not

100% chance Weltman & many other GM’s would revise their picks with a year’s hindsight & surprising team growth. They are very good but it’s far from an exact science.

If you draft a raw player you know that a 365 day review doesnt mean anything, like when we drafted Bamba we know he was a 4yrs + project , we took the gamble and we missed

If you draft a 22 yrs old rookie, you want him to be ready from year one, so a 365 day review means a lot more then

If you draft Jett knowing that you ll have him all year in G league to rehab and work on his D, checking his G league progress means a Lot, but having a Redo draft based on his NBA games means ****


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cedric76 wrote:

Skybox wrote:

cedric76 wrote:Doing a redo draft after a year is so silly and pointless, players take time to develop (see Suggs)

I saw that you commented and was eager to see you actually second-guess Weltman…guess not

100% chance Weltman & many other GM’s would revise their picks with a year’s hindsight & surprising team growth. They are very good but it’s far from an exact science.

If you draft a raw player you know that a 365 day review doesnt mean anything, like when we drafted Bamba we know he was a 4yrs + project , we took the gamble and we missed

If you draft a 22 yrs old rookie, you want him to be ready from year one, so a 365 day review means a lot more then

If you draft Jett knowing that you ll have him all year in G league to rehab and work on his D, checking his G league progress means a Lot, but having a Redo draft based on his NBA games means ****


This is a Dumb thread

They're all dumb threads...it's just for fun. You can skip any that don't interest you.

cedric76 wrote:This is a Dumb thread

For me one question is if last year the #6 and #11 had mre value than Black and Howard this year.

I think Black is more valuable than (this year's) 6 and Howard has less value than the 11. That's a point of a conversation on redraft: did Orlando gain or lose value by actually taking the pick.

Frankly I think neither Black nor Howard will be traded. And as such, I agree with your notion that this thread lacks value. Right now, Black and Howard are players and not assets.

drsd wrote:

cedric76 wrote:This is a Dumb thread

For me one question is if last year the #6 and #11 had mre value than Black and Howard this year.

I think Black is more valuable than (this year's) 6 and Howard has less value than the 11. That's a point of a conversation on redraft: did Orlando gain or lose value by actually taking the pick.

Frankly I think neither Black nor Howard will be traded. And as such, I agree with your notion that this thread lacks value. Right now, Black and Howard are players and not assets.

If you're a GM (or a RealGM'er), there's absolutely NO distinction.

I really liked Gradey Dick for the 3-pt shooting as the first guard off the bench. I still think that would have been a better pick than Jett Howard. Not picking on Jett, just think that Dick will end up being a better player long-term.