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It's really easy to get excited about grabbing an uber-talent like Trae...what effect would his game have on Paolo's growth?

Paolo's no shrinking violet...I don't think he simply defers to Trae and applauds after every 30 footer, but Trae WILL have the ball in his hands and he's a confirmed Coach-killer, so don't simply assume Mosely will just explain what he should do. I don't know enough about Trae's personality in the team tribe, but I do remember that teammates were said to have largely sided with McMillan (who got axed).

What do you all think? Again, if we could get Trae without giving up Paolo, Franz, or Suggs...you MUST take a long look, but it's hard for me to visualize a kinder, gentler Trae Young (I understand that he's 6' and 165 lbs dripping wet - but he's a STRONG personality). On the other hand, all of this talk about Monk, Simons, etc would be dwarfed by the offensive impact of Trae. It's one thing to break down trade value, but...

Would it work? Would it be an amazing success that lifts both Trae and Paolo's games (like Magic & Kareem, Stockton & Malone, Penny & Shaq), or an amazing failure as our Weltman rebuild goes down in flames?

I'm really not sure.

Make us a poor defensive team that s rake a huge number of turnovers

No thx

He'd open up the floor and provide a dynamic scoring threat. He'd likely be a defensive liability, though who knows if Mosley could maybe get decent defense out of him. But his impact on opening up the offense would be undeniable. For a team that struggles far more offensively than defensively, it'd be reasonable to see why we might go after him.

Seems unlikely though. Atlanta would probably want more than the Magic front office is willing to give up when there are options via free agency.

edit: Specifically for Paolo, teams would not be able to throw double and triple teams at him as much as they do. Having Trae (and Franz) as options to pass to out of those would open things up for him a lot, especially in late game situations.

We don't know until we try it out.

Specifically, many trade ideas have been shot down on here because of a fear of "taking the ball out of Paolo and Franz' hands". I think this is overly simplistic and wrong and, it seems, Paolo agrees. But Trae would certainly be a test of that. Bottom Line: Would Trae minimize what makes Paolo special or enhance it?

Name one player Trae has made better. Superstars make the guys around him better (see Jokic, Luka, etc).

Ducklett wrote:Name one player Trae has made better. Superstars make the guys around him better (see Jokic, Luka, etc).

How's John Collins looking these days? Jalen Johnson suddenly on the map...I'm not really pro-Trae, but he's great for limited guys. I don't see Paolo as needing that kind of handholding tho...he just needs some complementary support, primarily from the backcourt. Personally, I think Trae is too much for this roster - but anybody with high hopes for growth has to be intrigued enough to sniff around instead of just outright dismissal.

Skybox wrote:It's really easy to get excited about grabbing an uber-talent like Trae...what effect would his game have on Paolo's growth?

Paolo's no shrinking violet...I don't think he simply defers to Trae and applauds after every 30 footer, but Trae WILL have the ball in his hands and he's a confirmed Coach-killer, so don't simply assume Mosely will just explain what he should do. I don't know enough about Trae's personality in the team tribe, but I do remember that teammates were said to have largely sided with McMillan (who got axed).

What do you all think? Again, if we could get Trae without giving up Paolo, Franz, or Suggs...you MUST take a long look, but it's hard for me to visualize a kinder, gentler Trae Young (I understand that he's 6' and 165 lbs dripping wet - but he's a STRONG personality). On the other hand, all of this talk about Monk, Simons, etc would be dwarfed by the offensive impact of Trae. It's one thing to break down trade value, but...

Would it work? Would it be an amazing success that lifts both Trae and Paolo's games (like Magic & Kareem, Stockton & Malone, Penny & Shaq), or an amazing failure as our Weltman rebuild goes down in flames?

I'm really not sure.

i personally dont want Trae. I dont think he is worth his deal, i think the idea of him is better than he is. He is a gifted offensive player/passer. But he thinks he is better than he is, he can shoot you out of a game and every critical game the coaching staff will be scrambling to cover for his defense

Skybox wrote:

Ducklett wrote:Name one player Trae has made better. Superstars make the guys around him better (see Jokic, Luka, etc).

How's John Collins looking these days? Jalen Johnson suddenly on the map...I'm not really pro-Trae, but he's great for limited guys. I don't see Paolo as needing that kind of handholding tho...he just needs some complementary support, primarily from the backcourt. Personally, I think Trae is too much for this roster - but anybody with high hopes for growth has to be intrigued enough to sniff around instead of just outright dismissal.

TBF to Collins, he is on a shameless tanking team right now.

RookieStar wrote:

Skybox wrote:

Ducklett wrote:Name one player Trae has made better. Superstars make the guys around him better (see Jokic, Luka, etc).

How's John Collins looking these days? Jalen Johnson suddenly on the map...I'm not really pro-Trae, but he's great for limited guys. I don't see Paolo as needing that kind of handholding tho...he just needs some complementary support, primarily from the backcourt. Personally, I think Trae is too much for this roster - but anybody with high hopes for growth has to be intrigued enough to sniff around instead of just outright dismissal.

TBF to Collins, he is on a shameless tanking team right now.

And the Hawks traded him for a fake second and salary dump. Not exactly what good players get back in trades.

With him and Paolo on the court together defensively... I don't know how that helps keep the defensive identity. On top of that... any trade for Trae would likely to involve Suggs.

Offensively, it's hard to know as well. Because you still need the shooting to space out the floor to make it easier. And right now your starting front court is a bottom 3-Point shooting team. And this is not even including people wanting to move Wendell for a bruiser who plays specifically in the dunkers spot which clogs the lane even more for your 3 stars.

This is not even mentioning a full rearranging of the roster just to add Trae and to get the fitting pieces to make it even functional.

I honestly don't know if a trade for Trae makes sense.

It’s already hard to stomach Paolo’s defense, then you go and add Trae to the mix. Offensively they might be okay together.

So much talk about defense...

The two players Young would primarily be replacing were not exactly killers defensively.

Fultz: 232nd in defensive EPM
Cole: 272nd in defensive EPM

Young ranked 268 in defensive EPM just a year ago.

You'd still have Suggs. You could go out and sign a Melton or Kris Dunn if you wanted even more defense.

There's ways to make it work.

Ducklett wrote:

RookieStar wrote:

Skybox wrote:
How's John Collins looking these days? Jalen Johnson suddenly on the map...I'm not really pro-Trae, but he's great for limited guys. I don't see Paolo as needing that kind of handholding tho...he just needs some complementary support, primarily from the backcourt. Personally, I think Trae is too much for this roster - but anybody with high hopes for growth has to be intrigued enough to sniff around instead of just outright dismissal.

TBF to Collins, he is on a shameless tanking team right now.

And the Hawks traded him for a fake second and salary dump. Not exactly what good players get back in trades.

Kind of my point. Trae made him look great...best lob finisher in the league and shot 40% from (wide open) 3's

There's a better question to ask. What effect would Trae have on the Orlando Magic?

More turnovers.
Less touches for PB and Franz. Could be a good thing or a bad thing. How are they with catch and shoot 3s?
Definitely a negative to the salary cap situation.
Probably a negative to future drafts for what it would take to get him.
How about this lineup
Trae/Cole/Jett/old man Joe/Mo Wags
They better score 200 cause they're giving up 175 easy lol

Pushing for a Trae trade shows me that you don't get how the new cba works and that you are short sighted

Trae has run a top 10 ortg offense from 2020/21-2022/23. This season they were 16th. In 2021/22 he lead the 2nd best ortg.

But he’s also lead a bottom 10 drtg for all of those years, too, and it’s not because he was surrounded by lousy defenders. We’ve seen how easy and frequently teams target Cole Anthony on defense when he only plays 12mpg, imagine what they’d do to 36 minutes of Trae against starters.

It’s shocking that Suggs now has a better shooting season than Trae has had in his career. Lower volume, but a % Trae hasn’t come close to touching over the course of a season.

All that said, I think we could expect some crazy firepower from Paolo/Franz/Suggs/Trae if they got to share the court together, and they should be able to maintain enough defensive strength to mitigate the weaknesses.

I just don’t like how Trae plays basketball; I think he is very overrated. He is good at getting points, fishing for fouls, and passing but he doesn’t do much else. Crowned the next Curry he is far from it. While a good scorer he is a very inefficient and avg to poor shooter. He has only shot over 45% from the field once in his career and shoots well below 40% from 3 for his career. He tends to take bad shots while also talking too many shots. He is turnover prone, and he plays no defense.

With that being said he may work as a second or third option, but it would be vital that he breaks many of the habits listed above. If not it would be sad to watch Trae chuck bad shot after bad shot as Franz and Paolo watch. There is a reason why coaches like coach Pop don’t want him even as a second option.

Rainwater wrote:I just don’t like how Trae plays basketball, I think he is very overrated. He is good at getting points, fishing for fouls, and passing but he doesn’t do much else. Crowned the next Curry he is far from it. While a good scorer he is a very inefficient and avg to poor shooter. He has only shot over 45% from the field once in his career and shoots below 40% from 3 for his career. He tends to take bad shots while also talking too many shots. He is turnover prone and he plays no defense.

With that being said he may work as a second or third option but it would be vital that he breaks many of the habits listed above. If not it would be sad to watch Trae chuck bad shot after bad shot as Franz and Paolo watch. There is a reason why coaches like coach Pop don’t want him even as a second option.

he doesnt just shoot below 40%, he shoots WELL below 40% from 3.

I think offensively there is little debate Trae would make Paolo life much easier. People would be surprised how efficient Paolo can be with real ball handler. Would he dribble the ball less ? Yes, for sure, but seeing him for last 2 years thats what he needs to be more effective. Those 1/4 pick and roll would be lethal, and Paolo would finally feel how its like to catch a lob. We could still go with Paolo isolation whenever we wanted to.
Defensively it would be tougher especially in lineups without JI. WCJ is a bad option to cover for both of them. Thats why Suggs/Harris/WCJ worked well in the playoffs becouse they could all switch. You cant do that with Young. We would need Claxton or force JI in to the starting lineup.
I would think about that trade depending on assets needed to add. Adding Franz is 100% no and even adding Suggs would be hard to justify unless we think Black is a solid starter next year. We are propably few years away from such risky move. There is no need to do that. We can roll with Jones/Dlo/Monk and see how it goes than pivot to more risky moves if needed.