Crystal Ball...ORL and NBA

[Skybox]

We talk a lot about what we'd like...what do you really think will happen (if you HAD to put serious money on it)?

I'm kind of getting the following (national) feelings...Not what I dream of, but what I think WILL happen:
-Claxton will stay in BRK and get $25m per...which is too much (at least for ORL)
-Tyus Jones will sign in SAS, or even WAS for $18m per...which is too much (at least for ORL)
-Monk will re-sign in SAC for their 'max' of $17.8m (or whatever)...it will be described as a loyal homecoming but I expect the league-
wide interest will not be there for more than $20m per year
-PG will sign for a full max in either LAC or PHI...I don't know why LAC would nickel and dime him, he's clearly a max guy and they
can't replace him.
-Hartenstein will remain in NY - same story as Monk, unless he goes to OKC for essentially the same money (which is his top end, imo)
-Klay goes to PHI with PG on a short-term overpay, Morey wants a ring badly and Klay wants an "I told you so" to GSW. He's not going to
a young team that's not a serious contender and those young teams shouldn't pay him what it'll take. A major market team with a
real shot to contend (like PHI) will throw caution to the wind, like LAC did, but, hopefully get luckier with their choices.
-DLo will exercise his player option when his people don't see any significant suitors (same as Monk's story)
-Detroit will screw up FA again, but not as bad as they did with Ben Gordon & Charlie Villanueva. Maybe Tobias and/or Miles Bridges.
-Mitchell will extend in CLE and CLE will give it another go, at least until the trade deadline

*I guess I'm generally seeing a return to sensible spending as the second apron rules loom over the league. Not sure what that means for us...likely an unbalanced (salary-wise) trade, primarily for picks. I'd say our most realistic moves are:
-Murray (ironically, BECAUSE of the connection to Paolo-not in spite of the alleged "beef").
-Brogdon, basically because he's hanging out there, fits great, and isn't a barrier to FO's young prospects and shouldn't cost much
-maybe sign a Kyle Anderson-level guy for a surprisingly small amount (we're becoming a destination). FO remains fluid for now.
-I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ingles and Harris are back...I still can't fathom Fultz. Maybe Goga for another deal < $3m per
-Simons is still a possibility to me...but only if ORL FO can absolutely swipe him after no better offers materialize elsewhere.
-I also think ORL will draft yet another young, long, raw, project...maybe Kyshawn George or, I'd like Bub Carrington - if he's there

[Petre1978]

A Kyle Anderson level guy?
Who is on your list?

[Skybox]

A Kyle Anderson level guy?
Who is on your list?

Kyle Anderson


I guess what I mean is a kind of under-the-radar guy that's actually very good. Ingles would be in that category - although he seemed to diminish as the year went on. If Jingles is physically viable-I'd be happy to have him back...but he looked SLOOOOOW and creaky.
Probably BBIQ, good decision-making, versatility over flash. Often, aging out of high-minutes or need games off...Also, maybe one of those guys that you're kind of shocked when you see how little they sign for vs their apparent contribution...

Here's a few that are FA:
-Nic Batum...although age has to catch up one of these days
-Kelly Oubre...not so much for us, but a journeyman who always has a significant role
-Gordon Hayward would be a good one if he signs for very little, at this point in his career
-Derrick Jones Jr played for $3.3m for DAL and was absolutely impactful
-Caleb Martin, played huge in big games for MIA for years, made $6.8m
-Daniel Theis got 6.9m last year, versatile tough vet
-Kris Dunn made $1.6m, is one of the best defensive PGs out there and (surprise) avg 42% from 3 over last two seasons
-Naji Marshall made $1.4m, 39% from 3
-Gary Trent & Malik Beasley both made pretty good salaries last year, but could become candidates for this 'category'
-I wouldn't be surprised at all if Buddy Hield finds himself signing for <$10m next season...Kennard might even be waived
-Alec Burks...Magic killer, $10m
-Kevin Love...3.9m last year - anything left in the tank? Played 17mpg last year...we know he can shoot, rebound & pass
-Spencer Dinwiddie...made $1.5 in LAL after being waived - you just know he'll quietly get picked up and start somewhere

...All of these guys have flaws, likely age, but playoff teams are top-heavy (salary-wise) and fill out their roster this way.

[anothermagicfan]

We talk a lot about what we'd like...what do you really think will happen (if you HAD to put serious money on it)?

I'm kind of getting the following (national) feelings...Not what I dream of, but what I think WILL happen:
-Claxton will stay in BRK and get $25m per...which is too much (at least for ORL)
-Tyus Jones will sign in SAS, or even WAS for $18m per...which is too much (at least for ORL)
-Monk will re-sign in SAC for their 'max' of $17.8m (or whatever)...it will be described as a loyal homecoming but I expect the league-
wide interest will not be there for more than $20m per year
-PG will sign for a full max in either LAC or PHI...I don't know why LAC would nickel and dime him, he's clearly a max guy and they
can't replace him.
-Hartenstein will remain in NY - same story as Monk, unless he goes to OKC for essentially the same money (which is his top end, imo)
-Klay goes to PHI with PG on a short-term overpay, Morey wants a ring badly and Klay wants an "I told you so" to GSW. He's not going to
a young team that's not a serious contender and those young teams shouldn't pay him what it'll take. A major market team with a
real shot to contend (like PHI) will throw caution to the wind, like LAC did, but, hopefully get luckier with their choices.
-DLo will exercise his player option when his people don't see any significant suitors (same as Monk's story)
-Detroit will screw up FA again, but not as bad as they did with Ben Gordon & Charlie Villanueva. Maybe Tobias and/or Miles Bridges.
-Mitchell will extend in CLE and CLE will give it another go, at least until the trade deadline

*I guess I'm generally seeing a return to sensible spending as the second apron rules loom over the league. Not sure what that means for us...likely an unbalanced (salary-wise) trade, primarily for picks. I'd say our most realistic moves are:
-Murray (ironically, BECAUSE of the connection to Paolo-not in spite of the alleged "beef").
-Brogdon, basically because he's hanging out there, fits great, and isn't a barrier to FO's young prospects and shouldn't cost much
-maybe sign a Kyle Anderson-level guy for a surprisingly small amount (we're becoming a destination). FO remains fluid for now.
-I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ingles and Harris are back...I still can't fathom Fultz. Maybe Goga for another deal < $3m per
-Simons is still a possibility to me...but only if ORL FO can absolutely swipe him after no better offers materialize elsewhere.
-I also think ORL will draft yet another young, long, raw, project...maybe Kyshawn George or, I'd like Bub Carrington - if he's there

You left out Anunoby. He's probably going to stay in NY too.

I'm not sold on DLo having no suitors though. I just listened to some Lakers podcast that was talking about Orlando being the biggest threat to take DLo because of all the teams with cap space we're the only one in need for a point guard.

Most posters here say the same 2 things about DLo. 1-his attitude and personality suck. 2-he disappears in the playoffs. My thing is he's still a drastically better player at his position than we've seen in a long time and I don't think it'll take crazy money to get him.

[Skybox]

We talk a lot about what we'd like...what do you really think will happen (if you HAD to put serious money on it)?

I'm kind of getting the following (national) feelings...Not what I dream of, but what I think WILL happen:
-Claxton will stay in BRK and get $25m per...which is too much (at least for ORL)
-Tyus Jones will sign in SAS, or even WAS for $18m per...which is too much (at least for ORL)
-Monk will re-sign in SAC for their 'max' of $17.8m (or whatever)...it will be described as a loyal homecoming but I expect the league-
wide interest will not be there for more than $20m per year
-PG will sign for a full max in either LAC or PHI...I don't know why LAC would nickel and dime him, he's clearly a max guy and they
can't replace him.
-Hartenstein will remain in NY - same story as Monk, unless he goes to OKC for essentially the same money (which is his top end, imo)
-Klay goes to PHI with PG on a short-term overpay, Morey wants a ring badly and Klay wants an "I told you so" to GSW. He's not going to
a young team that's not a serious contender and those young teams shouldn't pay him what it'll take. A major market team with a
real shot to contend (like PHI) will throw caution to the wind, like LAC did, but, hopefully get luckier with their choices.
-DLo will exercise his player option when his people don't see any significant suitors (same as Monk's story)
-Detroit will screw up FA again, but not as bad as they did with Ben Gordon & Charlie Villanueva. Maybe Tobias and/or Miles Bridges.
-Mitchell will extend in CLE and CLE will give it another go, at least until the trade deadline

*I guess I'm generally seeing a return to sensible spending as the second apron rules loom over the league. Not sure what that means for us...likely an unbalanced (salary-wise) trade, primarily for picks. I'd say our most realistic moves are:
-Murray (ironically, BECAUSE of the connection to Paolo-not in spite of the alleged "beef").
-Brogdon, basically because he's hanging out there, fits great, and isn't a barrier to FO's young prospects and shouldn't cost much
-maybe sign a Kyle Anderson-level guy for a surprisingly small amount (we're becoming a destination). FO remains fluid for now.
-I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ingles and Harris are back...I still can't fathom Fultz. Maybe Goga for another deal < $3m per
-Simons is still a possibility to me...but only if ORL FO can absolutely swipe him after no better offers materialize elsewhere.
-I also think ORL will draft yet another young, long, raw, project...maybe Kyshawn George or, I'd like Bub Carrington - if he's there

You left out Anunoby. He's probably going to stay in NY too.

I'm not sold on DLo having no suitors though. I just listened to some Lakers podcast that was talking about Orlando being the biggest threat to take DLo because of all the teams with cap space we're the only one in need for a point guard.

Most posters here say the same 2 things about DLo. 1-his attitude and personality suck. 2-he disappears in the playoffs. My thing is he's still a drastically better player at his position than we've seen in a long time and I don't think it'll take crazy money to get him.

I'd absolutely bid on Monk over DLo...too many question marks. No question he's better than what we've had -but that's not saying much at the PG/Lead guard spot.

[anothermagicfan]

We talk a lot about what we'd like...what do you really think will happen (if you HAD to put serious money on it)?

I'm kind of getting the following (national) feelings...Not what I dream of, but what I think WILL happen:
-Claxton will stay in BRK and get $25m per...which is too much (at least for ORL)
-Tyus Jones will sign in SAS, or even WAS for $18m per...which is too much (at least for ORL)
-Monk will re-sign in SAC for their 'max' of $17.8m (or whatever)...it will be described as a loyal homecoming but I expect the league-
wide interest will not be there for more than $20m per year
-PG will sign for a full max in either LAC or PHI...I don't know why LAC would nickel and dime him, he's clearly a max guy and they
can't replace him.
-Hartenstein will remain in NY - same story as Monk, unless he goes to OKC for essentially the same money (which is his top end, imo)
-Klay goes to PHI with PG on a short-term overpay, Morey wants a ring badly and Klay wants an "I told you so" to GSW. He's not going to
a young team that's not a serious contender and those young teams shouldn't pay him what it'll take. A major market team with a
real shot to contend (like PHI) will throw caution to the wind, like LAC did, but, hopefully get luckier with their choices.
-DLo will exercise his player option when his people don't see any significant suitors (same as Monk's story)
-Detroit will screw up FA again, but not as bad as they did with Ben Gordon & Charlie Villanueva. Maybe Tobias and/or Miles Bridges.
-Mitchell will extend in CLE and CLE will give it another go, at least until the trade deadline

*I guess I'm generally seeing a return to sensible spending as the second apron rules loom over the league. Not sure what that means for us...likely an unbalanced (salary-wise) trade, primarily for picks. I'd say our most realistic moves are:
-Murray (ironically, BECAUSE of the connection to Paolo-not in spite of the alleged "beef").
-Brogdon, basically because he's hanging out there, fits great, and isn't a barrier to FO's young prospects and shouldn't cost much
-maybe sign a Kyle Anderson-level guy for a surprisingly small amount (we're becoming a destination). FO remains fluid for now.
-I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ingles and Harris are back...I still can't fathom Fultz. Maybe Goga for another deal < $3m per
-Simons is still a possibility to me...but only if ORL FO can absolutely swipe him after no better offers materialize elsewhere.
-I also think ORL will draft yet another young, long, raw, project...maybe Kyshawn George or, I'd like Bub Carrington - if he's there

You left out Anunoby. He's probably going to stay in NY too.

I'm not sold on DLo having no suitors though. I just listened to some Lakers podcast that was talking about Orlando being the biggest threat to take DLo because of all the teams with cap space we're the only one in need for a point guard.

Most posters here say the same 2 things about DLo. 1-his attitude and personality suck. 2-he disappears in the playoffs. My thing is he's still a drastically better player at his position than we've seen in a long time and I don't think it'll take crazy money to get him.

I'd absolutely bid on Monk over DLo...too many question marks. No question he's better than what we've had -but that's not saying much at the PG/Lead guard spot.

I'm not down on Monk. He's got skill, but in what capacity does he contribute and is it worth the cost? I mean you want him as our free agent target, so as a starter or backup? Because he's pretty much always been a backup. Sorry but picking up a bench guard is not what we need right now. If that were the case we got a couple we could just bring back in Fultz/Harris.

I'd absolutely bid on DLo over Monk.

[Knightro]

I think the Magic are going to overpay Klay (hopefully just AAV and not years) to replace Harris and basically do nothing else.

Isaac and Moritz will be retained. Ingles will not - at least not at $11M - and they'll make their 1st and 2nd round picks to replace Okeke and Goga.

[eyriq]

- Philly has a massive amount of cap space and should be able to get their pick of the free agent crop. They'll also be able to offer cap space to Chicago for Lavine, which is likely the best return the Bulls can expect.
- Minny and Denver are hard against the cap and might look to move key players, specifically KAT and MPJ
- Cavs, Warriors, Lakers, and Pelicans are likely to re-tool their cores.
- Treadmill teams, Bulls, Nets, and Hawks, are likely to re-tool their cores.
- OKC and Orlando are going to buyers with the assets to set the trade and free agency market based on their aggressiveness.
- Detroit is poised to be buyers as well.

[Bensational]

Draft night trade: Cole + #18 for Brogdon
FA: Klay + Goga

WCJ/MoeW/Goga
Paolo/Isaac
Franz/Black/Ingles
Klay/Houstan/Jett
Suggs/Brogdon

That’s my current guess... Though Donovan Mitchell still feels like a wild card option.

[basketballRob]

It's looking like it may be Klay that we sign. He just followed Paolo last night on IG.






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[RookieStar]

It's looking like it may be Klay that we sign. He just followed Paolo last night on IG.






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He also unfollowed GSW!!!

Straaaaaaap in boys!!!

( no seriously im kidding, no need to buy a new f5 button like the cp3 to ORL time)

[Skybox]

A bunch of you predicted Klay…

What will ORL pay him?
I assume he would start next to Suggs (meaning another season of no PG under 6’10)…agree?
Assuming team health, what degree of team improvement would you expect with Klay?

[tiderulz]

Draft night trade: Cole + #18 for Brogdon
FA: Klay + Goga

WCJ/MoeW/Goga
Paolo/Isaac
Franz/Black/Ingles
Klay/Houstan/Jett
Suggs/Brogdon

That’s my current guess... Though Donovan Mitchell still feels like a wild card option.

you really think Goga stays here to stay the 3rd center and have plenty of DNP's for the year?

[VFX]

I think the Magic are going to overpay Klay (hopefully just AAV and not years) to replace Harris and basically do nothing else.

Isaac and Moritz will be retained. Ingles will not - at least not at $11M - and they'll make their 1st and 2nd round picks to replace Okeke and Goga.

Overpaying Klay IMO would be a truly stupid decision at this point in his career.

[Skybox]

I'm not on the Klay-wagon, but just for reference...

LAST year, he played 30mpg, 77 games, scored 18ppg, took 9 3pta's and hit on 38.7% (which is his second worst -by .02% in - in his 10 yea career). I'm not doubting that he's lost a step defensively, but he will kill anyone (except Steph maybe) in HORSE, in the driveway, until he's 60. He's been in so many big games and moments, that his defensive instincts and 'tricks' will protect him somewhat. He may not be HOF Klay, but he's a solid 6'6 and will certainly not be hunted on defense as long as he's in the league. In a vacuum, I'd guess his profile puts him at a $25m salary...which is what GSW wanted (wants) to pay him...giving him an extra $5m for a couple of years, for his powerful presence & experience doesn't scare me TOO much. It could be a bit of an overpay, but we're not talking about a guy who's unplayable or mediocre, even if he's declined from HOF level.

I'll say again, JUST adding Klay would be a pointless upgrade of Gary Harris, without recognizing we still don't have a backcourt playmaker...if we could find a way to get Murray & Klay, two passionate, fierce competitors...Let's Go!!

[drsd]

... pointless upgrade of Gary Harris ...

Indeed G-Harris was horrible at scoring points!

[Bensational]

Draft night trade: Cole + #18 for Brogdon
FA: Klay + Goga

WCJ/MoeW/Goga
Paolo/Isaac
Franz/Black/Ingles
Klay/Houstan/Jett
Suggs/Brogdon

That’s my current guess... Though Donovan Mitchell still feels like a wild card option.

you really think Goga stays here to stay the 3rd center and have plenty of DNP's for the year?

I’m starting to think so, yeah. I don’t think there are big bucks on offer for him elsewhere and that he sees a chance to earn a larger role here if he sticks around. He was ready to go back to Europe before us, and this season he really seemed to be embraced by the other players. We need a high quality 3rd string option as long as WCJ and Isaac are being heavily relied upon, regardless.

[Skybox]

Draft night trade: Cole + #18 for Brogdon
FA: Klay + Goga

WCJ/MoeW/Goga
Paolo/Isaac
Franz/Black/Ingles
Klay/Houstan/Jett
Suggs/Brogdon

That’s my current guess... Though Donovan Mitchell still feels like a wild card option.

you really think Goga stays here to stay the 3rd center and have plenty of DNP's for the year?

I’m starting to think so, yeah. I don’t think there are big bucks on offer for him elsewhere and that he sees a chance to earn a larger role here if he sticks around. He was ready to go back to Europe before us, and this season he really seemed to be embraced by the other players. We need a high quality 3rd string option as long as WCJ and Isaac are being heavily relied upon, regardless.

Certainly can do a lot worse...when I count him out (in my offseason scenarios), it's out of respect that he'll get better offers than we have...IF we can get him back on a similar deal - solid!

[Bensational]

Certainly can do a lot worse...when I count him out (in my offseason scenarios), it's out of respect that he'll get better offers than we have...IF we can get him back on a similar deal - solid!

He might only be looking at a deal like what Duop Reath got which is under $3M a season. A rookie class with a lot of strong C prospects also might make the market tighter for him.

[pepe1991]

Goga is not staying in NBA for $3M, it would be terrible financial decision for him.