Trade Suggs ?

[orthoman]

There's recent talk over Scottie Barnes' new contract and what kind of money the Magic may have to consider paying Franz Wagner, eventually.

IMO, we have 2 Core players....Banchero and Wagner, NOT Suggs.

Suggs is an "OK" shooter, but has very poor handles and turns the ball over alot.

Given the Magic will have to pay the 2 core players, I would trade Suggs.

You would lose defense but dangling Suggs will help the Magis get their starting PG...a shooter capable of 20+ppg.

The Magic would still have Black for defense.

Thoughts on shipping Suggs out as it relates to the total monies eventually due to the core players?

[yoyojw17]

NO

Lol

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[Cammo101]

Nope.

[orthoman]

If Suggs is not traded, then the Magic have 3 Core players to pay alot of money, eventually. Correct?

Can this be done in light that significant money will need to be paid towards a FA and a trade? ( do both)

[Knightro]

If Suggs is not traded, then the Magic have 3 Core players to pay alot of money, eventually. Correct?

Can this be done in light that significant money will need to be paid towards a FA and a trade? ( do both)

Yes.

Don't be afraid of the 2nd tax apron. The Magic aren't going to be anywhere near it for quite a while.

[MagicFan101]

Ughh, how about NO!

“Fans” like this are why we can’t have nice things.

[MagicForLife]

If Suggs is not traded, then the Magic have 3 Core players to pay alot of money, eventually. Correct?

Can this be done in light that significant money will need to be paid towards a FA and a trade? ( do both)

Yes, it can be done. You just said that

Suggs is an "OK" shooter, but has very poor handles and turns the ball over alot.

so it sounds like it wouldn't cost a lot to keep him.

[VFX]

We dont know what Suggs will make.

The back court is up in the air. The last thing you do is get rid of the guy that progressed more than any other player in one season because you are worried about cap space. To be honest, the team looked like trash when Suggs was out for any amount of time. He IS the defensive identity of this team and reason it was tops in the league last season.

Trading Suggs right now would mean this organization isnt serious about cultivating talent.

[JBSouthpaw]

Matters on the return doesn't it?

[eyriq]

We just watched a team with a backcourt of Jrue and White win a championship. Their success validated the "all-around contributor" archetype, which is what Suggs is. They're not leading their team in rebounding or assists or scoring, but they're A+ defenders that can contribute across the board.

Also, Suggs is still developing. He still has top 50 potential, in fact, he's pretty close already due to his defense.

The most important use of flexibility is to acquire core players. Converting our flexibility into contracts for Suggs, Franz, and Paolo is the right use of our flexibility.

Under no situation should we consider trading Suggs, unless it's for someone like Booker. And even then do you do it? I don't know.

[Audi]

We just watched a team with a backcourt of Jrue and White win a championship. Their success validated the "all-around contributor" archetype, which is what Suggs is. They're not leading their team in rebounding or assists or scoring, but they're A+ defenders that can contribute across the board.

Also, Suggs is still developing. He still has top 50 potential, in fact, he's pretty close already due to his defense.

The most important use of flexibility is to acquire core players. Converting our flexibility into contracts for Suggs, Franz, and Paolo is the right use of our flexibility.

Under no situation should we consider trading Suggs, unless it's for someone like Booker. And even then do you do it? I don't know.

Yup, and what's great is that we don't need a White or Jrue type next to Suggs, because Franz is a far better defender than Brown or Tatum, so that gives us the flexibility to take a more offensive minded guard to slot next to Suggs.

[eyriq]

We just watched a team with a backcourt of Jrue and White win a championship. Their success validated the "all-around contributor" archetype, which is what Suggs is. They're not leading their team in rebounding or assists or scoring, but they're A+ defenders that can contribute across the board.

Also, Suggs is still developing. He still has top 50 potential, in fact, he's pretty close already due to his defense.

The most important use of flexibility is to acquire core players. Converting our flexibility into contracts for Suggs, Franz, and Paolo is the right use of our flexibility.

Under no situation should we consider trading Suggs, unless it's for someone like Booker. And even then do you do it? I don't know.

Yup, and what's great is that we don't need a White or Jrue type next to Suggs, because Franz is a far better defender than Brown or Tatum, so that gives us the flexibility to take a more offensive minded guard to slot next to Suggs.

I agree with you about the offensively minded backcourt partner. AB's offense is going to be so good. Very underrated aspect of his upside. I'm impressed you recognize that.

[orthoman]

Good points.

[dsg2021]

No

[fateis007]

what you smokin bro, hand it over

[ORLMagicGirl15]

No!

I watched him live against Utah and that kid is amazing. I can’t wait to see him in his prime.

[tiderulz]

There's recent talk over Scottie Barnes' new contract and what kind of money the Magic may have to consider paying Franz Wagner, eventually.

IMO, we have 2 Core players....Banchero and Wagner, NOT Suggs.

Suggs is an "OK" shooter, but has very poor handles and turns the ball over alot.

Given the Magic will have to pay the 2 core players, I would trade Suggs.

You would lose defense but dangling Suggs will help the Magis get their starting PG...a shooter capable of 20+ppg.

The Magic would still have Black for defense.

Thoughts on shipping Suggs out as it relates to the total monies eventually due to the core players?

Suggs shot 40% from 3 last year and avg'd 1.8 to's per game, behind players such as Bridges, Monk, George, Tyrese, SGA, Dej Murray, Booker, Fox, Ant. He is exactly what we want for a 3&D SG.

[Skybox]

The simple Homer answer is always "NOOOO" and you are clearly a bad fan because you want to get rid of Suggs and you hate him

There's a lot to be considered and your OP is a reasonable discussion point...Suggs, if he keeps up his recently very good (not yet elite) shooting and ups his volume a bit, has tremendous value - but he's only a 3&D guy and even the best 3&D may (or may not) be the best way to invest what is becoming an increasingly limited fund. I'm betting he spends his whole career here but, if management (even while loving and valuing him) decides that he's not the optimal counterpart to your other huge dollar players, then you may need to pivot. We're nowhere near the aprons but they're approaching fast with what appear to be 3 huge (near max?) extensions in the next two summers. The cap will go up dramatically, but so will the next round of contracts. We have a tremendous opportunity to add a major piece this summer...but, if 3 young guys get rookie extensions approaching 25% of the cap each AND you add a another player near the same level and, presumably, salary, you're getting into some interesting questions. What do you pay Isaac if he plays 30 mpg and wins DPOY? (hint: it's not a "we've been patient with you" discount)...do we think WCJ will continue to celebrate his "team-friendly salary" status when he comes up for a new deal in a couple of years? It's a blessing to have solid young talent developing together, but there's a good chance you face a reckoning at some point.

Presti made a good decision to move on from Giddey. He just wasn't part of the future vision, but he's up for a rookie extension and he's done enough, despite being "incomplete", to get a significant chunk of change. HOU has Jalen Green (who is Jordan every third month and Kelly Oubre the others) and Sengun, who can't defend but shows Jokic-like court vision on occasion...what will they do? For all of the unquestioned support of AB...his growth might be the thing that makes Suggs expendable, especially if he doesn't show that he's a PG (because Suggs certainly isn't). So two guys that (might) be elite defenders and (might) be reliable 3pt shooters are very valuable, but we still might not have a guard that can initiate offense...so, maybe, you stick with the bigger, younger version on a rookie deal. (I'm not suggesting AB=Suggs, but he could be next year and they don't pair well, imo, unless there are some MAJOR new tricks in AB's bag that he hasn't shown anyone but Eyriq yet).

Look at PHX...3 great players + an expensive ill-fitting anchor named Nurkic and a bunch of Bol Bol's. Was just listening to Givony saying there could be a real market for srp's because some of these apron teams won't have any other way to add talent.

It's unlikely and certainly not pleasant to ponder moving Suggs, but it's not a stupid or inconceivable idea to discuss.

[Black and Blue]

We just watched a team with a backcourt of Jrue and White win a championship. Their success validated the "all-around contributor" archetype, which is what Suggs is. They're not leading their team in rebounding or assists or scoring, but they're A+ defenders that can contribute across the board.

Also, Suggs is still developing. He still has top 50 potential, in fact, he's pretty close already due to his defense.

The most important use of flexibility is to acquire core players. Converting our flexibility into contracts for Suggs, Franz, and Paolo is the right use of our flexibility.

Under no situation should we consider trading Suggs, unless it's for someone like Booker. And even then do you do it? I don't know.

This.

It’s also important to point out that this is only the first real full season of this version of Suggs, where he transitioned to 3&D defense-first play. The fact he was awarded for his defense and its focus is this recent means he has massive room for growth there (not to mention his offensive game swinging to respectable numbers).

He is by no means untouchable, but it would take something huge to jettison a player with such tantalizing potential. You throw Mitchell’s name out there? Suddenly Suggs could totally be traded. It would be shocking to see it happen now though.