Let it all out, your biggest issue with last night’s draft

[three3d]

I’m going to start this out by saying I like the pick of Da Silva at 18, adding depth behind Paolo and Franz is a good idea. Now what I don’t like is the complete utter laziness Weltman showed by sitting on his hands before and after the 18th pick. I’m just going off assumption here I have nothing to prove they don’t engage in conversations about trading back in.

It wasn’t probably expected that the Spurs would out right just give away the 8th pick for free basically so I’m not going to crush that, BUT I did say yesterday Portland and New York would be great partner to trade up or back into the 1st round to make another selection. And low and behold that was true. They let Terrence Shannon and Baylor Scheierman go to other teams at the end of the 1st round…! They let Boston add yet ANOTHER shooter!

Weltman couldn’t wait to get the pick in, they made the selection before time even expired and right after that it was off to do a presser. WELTMAN the freaking draft wasn’t even over and you took Mosley off to talk to the media. Why?? Was it past your bedtime? Did you feel like you just absolutely crushed the draft so you could drop your mic and walk away???

Draft picks seemed basically free last night and we have holes to fill and more importantly there was players available after 18 to help, and honestly some of those guys probably better then some of the guys towards the end of the bench already. Again I liked Da Silva, I just hate the pure lazy approach and Narrowminded thought process of building this team .

[p0peye]

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[Knightro]

The whole "the Magic could have traded back into the bottom of the first round!" schtick is kind of tough, man.

Literally one team traded out of the back half of the first round completely last night and it was the Knicks at 26.

Oklahoma City gave up five 2nd rounders over the next three years to make the deal happen.

Could the Magic have matched what OKC was offering? I guess so, but it also seems rather unnecessary to acquire another pick in a weak draft when you already have too much youth to play as is.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

how bad of a job ESPN does covering the draft.

[three3d]

The whole "the Magic could have traded back into the bottom of the first round!" schtick is kind of tough, man.

Literally one team traded out of the back half of the first round completely last night and it was the Knicks at 26.

Oklahoma City gave up five 2nd rounders over the next three years to make the deal happen.

Could the Magic have matched what OKC was offering? I guess so, but it also seems rather unnecessary to acquire another pick in a weak draft when you already have too much youth to play as is.

We already know the running joke about Weltman and 2nd round picks so to me if that was the cost to get either Shannon or Scheierman it was worth it. Given who drafted those two guys confirms to be they were worth the price. The 8th pick is the major stunner. We could have very easily added a starter with the 8th pick. A 2031 unprotected first round pick and a pick swap for the 8th pick?? That’s a long time away and who knows what can happen but I take that trade before they even finish offering it and run.

[basketballRob]

Dillingham to Minnesota was shocking.

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[Knightro]

The whole "the Magic could have traded back into the bottom of the first round!" schtick is kind of tough, man.

Literally one team traded out of the back half of the first round completely last night and it was the Knicks at 26.

Oklahoma City gave up five 2nd rounders over the next three years to make the deal happen.

Could the Magic have matched what OKC was offering? I guess so, but it also seems rather unnecessary to acquire another pick in a weak draft when you already have too much youth to play as is.

We already know the running joke about Weltman and 2nd round picks so to me if that was the cost to get either Shannon or Scheierman it was worth it. Given who drafted those two guys confirms to be they were worth the price. The 8th pick is the major stunner. We could have very easily added a starter with the 8th pick. A 2031 unprotected first round pick and a pick swap for the 8th pick?? That’s a long time away and who knows what can happen but I take that trade before they even finish offering it and run.

You're also assuming that the Spurs would rather have the Magic's 2030 swap and 2031 first than the Wolves who are already so top heavy that they might be terrible by then.

Trades are not a la carte, ya know?

You can't just say "oh well the Spurs would have valued literally every team in the league's offer the exact same, so screw the Magic for not doing it!"

Perhaps the Knicks, knowing that their own roster is about to get extremely top heavy, really preferred the fact that the Thunder were able to send them 5 second rounders over the next three drafts - which is an amount of second round picks that the Magic did not possess over the next three drafts.

[ChosenSavior]

how bad of a job ESPN does covering the draft.

Their panning of the camera to the wrong players at the start of the draft was hilarious

[three3d]

The whole "the Magic could have traded back into the bottom of the first round!" schtick is kind of tough, man.

Literally one team traded out of the back half of the first round completely last night and it was the Knicks at 26.

Oklahoma City gave up five 2nd rounders over the next three years to make the deal happen.

Could the Magic have matched what OKC was offering? I guess so, but it also seems rather unnecessary to acquire another pick in a weak draft when you already have too much youth to play as is.

We already know the running joke about Weltman and 2nd round picks so to me if that was the cost to get either Shannon or Scheierman it was worth it. Given who drafted those two guys confirms to be they were worth the price. The 8th pick is the major stunner. We could have very easily added a starter with the 8th pick. A 2031 unprotected first round pick and a pick swap for the 8th pick?? That’s a long time away and who knows what can happen but I take that trade before they even finish offering it and run.

You're also assuming that the Spurs would rather have the Magic's 2030 swap and 2031 first than the Wolves who are already so top heavy that they might be terrible by then.

Trades are not a la carte, ya know?

You can't just say "oh well the Spurs would have valued literally every team in the league's offer the exact same, so screw the Magic for not doing it!"

Perhaps the Knicks, knowing that their own roster is about to get extremely top heavy, really preferred the fact that the Thunder were able to send them 5 second rounders over the next three drafts - which is an amount of second round picks that the Magic did not possess over the next three drafts.

That’s valid points, not everyone’s picks are valued the same. It’s really hard to complain about who we picked because I think most all of us like that pick. I think it could possibly creat a future situation were we have to reevaluate the roster and who’s now tradable. Not a bad problem, just going to creat some really tough decisions. Free agency is going to be extremely interesting even more so now since we still need a point guard and shooting guard depth. Throwing AB into the fire and starting him next season with such a good ( allegedly) draft might be a worthwhile shot. I can’t see us bringing in PG13 now or Clay unless 100% the plan is to put Suggs at the 1.

[three3d]

Oh and I’d like to add the draft hats last night lol. Who the hell said yea let’s go with brown khaki looking draft caps lol?

[anothermagicfan]

I'm kinda bummed we missed out on picking Ware but I'm sure if weltman saw anything specifical in any players in the draft they would've tried to go after them.

I'm ok with the guy we got at 18. I hope he pans out and has a long career with the magic and helps us get our first title.

Im glad that we didn't trade for anyone. To me that signifies we're still planning on using cap space to pursue free agents

[three3d]

I'm kinda bummed we missed out on picking Ware but I'm sure if weltman saw anything specifical in any players in the draft they would've tried to go after them.

I'm ok with the guy we got at 18. I hope he pans out and has a long career with the magic and helps us get our first title.

Im glad that we didn't trade for anyone. To me that signifies we're still planning on using cap space to pursue free agents

The most pressing need we have is still point guard and we are all divided on this guy. Anfernee Simons gives us a point guard and shooting guard in one package. Portland trading away that 14th pick last night would have been such a huge trade up for us and we could have worked Simons into what ever deal it was potentially. Maybe there is still a deal to be had with Portland but doing so last night would have addressed two issues at once.

[jezzerinho]

The whole "the Magic could have traded back into the bottom of the first round!" schtick is kind of tough, man.

Literally one team traded out of the back half of the first round completely last night and it was the Knicks at 26.

Oklahoma City gave up five 2nd rounders over the next three years to make the deal happen.

Could the Magic have matched what OKC was offering? I guess so, but it also seems rather unnecessary to acquire another pick in a weak draft when you already have too much youth to play as is.

We already know the running joke about Weltman and 2nd round picks so to me if that was the cost to get either Shannon or Scheierman it was worth it. Given who drafted those two guys confirms to be they were worth the price. The 8th pick is the major stunner. We could have very easily added a starter with the 8th pick. A 2031 unprotected first round pick and a pick swap for the 8th pick?? That’s a long time away and who knows what can happen but I take that trade before they even finish offering it and run.

You're also assuming that the Spurs would rather have the Magic's 2030 swap and 2031 first than the Wolves who are already so top heavy that they might be terrible by then.

Trades are not a la carte, ya know?

You can't just say "oh well the Spurs would have valued literally every team in the league's offer the exact same, so screw the Magic for not doing it!"

Perhaps the Knicks, knowing that their own roster is about to get extremely top heavy, really preferred the fact that the Thunder were able to send them 5 second rounders over the next three drafts - which is an amount of second round picks that the Magic did not possess over the next three drafts.

I gotta agree with three3d.

It further enforces the trend that our FO is lazy and unambitious.

I like the pick of TDS pretty much, given who was gone by then. But its yet another activity window where we just pushed paper instead of engaged with our peers and did business.

Of course we could have been outbid on any tradeup or tradedown offer we made. But I think - at this point in their tenure - it would be very naive to believe Weltman made a competitive offer or that he has the ear of other GMs when it comes to taking advantage of opportunities. He's not interested and other GMs aren't interested in him.

Anyway, ho hum, we are where we are and the pick was solid enough.

[three3d]

We already know the running joke about Weltman and 2nd round picks so to me if that was the cost to get either Shannon or Scheierman it was worth it. Given who drafted those two guys confirms to be they were worth the price. The 8th pick is the major stunner. We could have very easily added a starter with the 8th pick. A 2031 unprotected first round pick and a pick swap for the 8th pick?? That’s a long time away and who knows what can happen but I take that trade before they even finish offering it and run.

You're also assuming that the Spurs would rather have the Magic's 2030 swap and 2031 first than the Wolves who are already so top heavy that they might be terrible by then.

Trades are not a la carte, ya know?

You can't just say "oh well the Spurs would have valued literally every team in the league's offer the exact same, so screw the Magic for not doing it!"

Perhaps the Knicks, knowing that their own roster is about to get extremely top heavy, really preferred the fact that the Thunder were able to send them 5 second rounders over the next three drafts - which is an amount of second round picks that the Magic did not possess over the next three drafts.

I gotta agree with three3d.

It further enforces the trend that our FO is lazy and unambitious.

I like the pick of TDS pretty much, given who was gone by then. But its yet another activity window where we just pushed paper instead of engaged with our peers and did business.

Of course we could have been outbid on any tradeup or tradedown offer we made. But I think - at this point in their tenure - it would be very naive to believe Weltman made a competitive offer or that he has the ear of other GMs when it comes to taking advantage of opportunities. He's not interested and other GMs aren't interested in him.

Anyway, ho hum, we are where we are and the pick was solid enough.

Honestly I just want to hear that they in fact did try to acquire another pick and I’m totally fine with that. If they tried and just couldn’t get it done I’m totally okay, at least you tried. But given Mosley and Weltman were addressing the media right after leaves me feeling like they said the night is over.

And that’s the really big issue I’m having. It’s been a god damn long time being okay with people half ass doing the job. This is ENTIRELY on ownership! You either want to win bad, or you’re okay taking the fans money and playing with our emotions.

[JBSouthpaw]

biggest issue, they moved round 2 to a 2nd day, not necessary for a league where 2nd rounders aren't that valuable.

[three3d]

Hot take: The DeVos family is just old money and are perfectly okay not running a business instead are focused on “family”

New money, these modern day billionaires that buy clubs care about reputation and growing the brand by winning championships.

[UCFJayBird]

We are already one of the youngest teams in the league, not sure why we're wanting to make trades into a weak draft to get more rookies, lol.

[UCFJayBird]

biggest issue, they moved round 2 to a 2nd day, not necessary for a league where 2nd rounders aren't that valuable.

I'd like to see the NBA make the 2nd round more valuable and important, not less. I know a lot of second rounders struggle to make teams and wind up on two way contracts or playing overseas, but there are still some really big and important players to come out of it. I'd like to see second rounders go back to some kind of partially guaranteed contract (say 2 yrs vs 4) and make teams invest more in those players. Going the opposite way is lame.

[three3d]

We are already one of the youngest teams in the league, not sure why we're wanting to make trades into a weak draft to get more rookies, lol.

Honestly Caleb Houston is pretty worthless lol, wasn’t to hard r to find a replacement for him towards the end of this draft.

[three3d]

biggest issue, they moved round 2 to a 2nd day, not necessary for a league where 2nd rounders aren't that valuable.

I'd like to see the NBA make the 2nd round more valuable and important, not less. I know a lot of second rounders struggle to make teams and wind up on two way contracts or playing overseas, but there are still some really big and important players to come out of it. I'd like to see second rounders go back to some kind of partially guaranteed contract (say 2 yrs vs 4) and make teams invest more in those players. Going the opposite way is lame.

This +1 .. I’d like to see these guys drafted and at worst being signed to the clubs G-League affiliate at worst. Expand the draft, make sure every NBA team has their own minor league affiliate and have the ability to call up and send down players based off performance and injuries.