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Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 7:47 am
by drsd
The Orlando Magic have declined their $8 million team option on Moe Wagner for the 24-25 season. Wagner and the Magic each have interest in discussing a new contract in free agency. The Magic plan to utilize their cap space in the offseason on the open market.
Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:35 am
by RookieStar
You think if someone offers Moe like a bigger deal he will bolt from us?
Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:41 am
by CarraT
Good move. Go use the cap space. Mo will stay here
Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:47 am
by basketballRob
We can give Moe the same deal he has with more years after we sign free agents using the room exception.
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Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:49 am
by drsd
RookieStar wrote:You think if someone offers Moe like a bigger deal he will bolt from us?
Orlando currently has a single C in its rotation. That must be addressed. It is not a given that M-Wagner will resign. Indeed if he gets a big raise somewhere else, signing Bitadze to a contract upgrade to be the primary backup is not impossible.
Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:02 am
by basketballRob
drsd wrote:RookieStar wrote:You think if someone offers Moe like a bigger deal he will bolt from us?
Orlando currently has a single C in its rotation. That must be addressed. It is not a given that M-Wagner will resign. Indeed if he gets a big raise somewhere else, signing Bitadze to a contract upgrade to be the primary backup is not impossible.
I think it's a given that Moe will sign here. They probably already have a deal in place with the room exception, but we need to use our cap space first. Players like Drummond are on the market for minimum deals.
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Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:35 am
by cedric76
RookieStar wrote:You think if someone offers Moe like a bigger deal he will bolt from us?
No, 100% sure that they already agreed that he ll come back under the room exception
It s a done deal
Front Office show talked about it if you r interested (from min 45
https://www.youtube.com/live/Lyj_q-5mYFE?si=K1HFBl-K42dYoO0g)
Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:11 pm
by Skybox
I bet they have a tentative reasonable deal.
If DET or whoever came and offered him a big raise, all parties, including Franz, would wish him the best with his new team. No bad blood or hard feeling- some teams are just in better circumstances to overpay…like we were, at the time.
He’ll be back, 90%
Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:57 pm
by drsd
Skybox wrote:I bet they have a tentative reasonable deal.
If DET or whoever came and offered him a big raise, all parties, including Franz, would wish him the best with his new team. No bad blood or hard feeling- some teams are just in better circumstances to overpay…like we were, at the time.
He’ll be back, 90%
And-1
It is not 100% that he would be back. If some team wants to offer M-Wagner 3 years and 40M, he will leave. And I agree that F-Wagner would be happy to wish his brother well.
One thing lost in all this is that M-Wagner would take a 300k pay cut this year on a Room deal. I guess that is made-up by adding an extra year to the deal. Maybe a 3+1 contract on 8M a year?
In conclusion: your 90% is spot on, for me.
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Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:46 pm
by KillMonger
Wouldn't be upset with Mo returning
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Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:47 pm
by JoshuaPotter
I see Mo as testing the waters right now and coming back if he doesn't get a big enough raise. Definitely no hard feelings.
Otherwise, well see. This does make one wonder where the rest of the 30 million will go and we need a center play bigtime about now.
Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:49 pm
by basketballRob
JoshuaPotter wrote:I see Mo as testing the waters right now and coming back if he doesn't get a big enough raise. Definitely no hard feelings.
Otherwise, well see. This does make one wonder where the rest of the 30 million will go and we need a center play bigtime about now.
He already has a deal in place to get our room exception that gives him a 6k raise next season. They may give him more years. Everyone in the NBA knows this is happening.
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Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:51 pm
by JoshuaPotter
basketballRob wrote:JoshuaPotter wrote:I see Mo as testing the waters right now and coming back if he doesn't get a big enough raise. Definitely no hard feelings.
Otherwise, well see. This does make one wonder where the rest of the 30 million will go and we need a center play bigtime about now.
He already has a deal in place to get our room exception that gives him a 6k raise next season. They may give him more years. Everyone in the NBA knows this is happening.
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And this is reported via news where?
Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:55 pm
by basketballRob
JoshuaPotter wrote:basketballRob wrote:JoshuaPotter wrote:I see Mo as testing the waters right now and coming back if he doesn't get a big enough raise. Definitely no hard feelings.
Otherwise, well see. This does make one wonder where the rest of the 30 million will go and we need a center play bigtime about now.
He already has a deal in place to get our room exception that gives him a 6k raise next season. They may give him more years. Everyone in the NBA knows this is happening.
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And this is reported via news where?
They said the Magic and Moe have a mutual interest to stay here. Everyone knows what was happening. The Magic had a team option and made an agreement with him so they could circumvent the cap. Sure, they aren't going to WESH news and say we're circumventing the cap.
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Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2024 5:22 pm
by fendilim
Good gracious. The pond is drying. What if he is our second signee this offseason? Hahahahaha
Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2024 5:33 pm
by eyriq
I can't believe we are leaving him blowing in the wind.
Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2024 5:37 pm
by basketballRob
eyriq wrote:I can't believe we are leaving him blowing in the wind.
They already have a deal in place, and it'll be announced after free agency.
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Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2024 9:34 pm
by Skybox
basketballRob wrote:JoshuaPotter wrote:I see Mo as testing the waters right now and coming back if he doesn't get a big enough raise. Definitely no hard feelings.
Otherwise, well see. This does make one wonder where the rest of the 30 million will go and we need a center play bigtime about now.
He already has a deal in place to get our room exception that gives him a 6k raise next season. They may give him more years. Everyone in the NBA knows this is happening.
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Why do you say these things with such certainty? Do you have a source that we're paying our backup C $14m next year?

EDIT: Sorry, I didnt' see where you quoted "Everybody in the NBA"
Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2024 9:43 pm
by eyriq
Skybox wrote:basketballRob wrote:JoshuaPotter wrote:I see Mo as testing the waters right now and coming back if he doesn't get a big enough raise. Definitely no hard feelings.
Otherwise, well see. This does make one wonder where the rest of the 30 million will go and we need a center play bigtime about now.
He already has a deal in place to get our room exception that gives him a 6k raise next season. They may give him more years. Everyone in the NBA knows this is happening.
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Why do you say these things with such certainty? Do you have a source that we're paying our backup C $14m next year?

EDIT: Sorry, I didnt' see where you quoted "Everybody in the NBA"
The room exception kicks in once we hit the cap of 141 and it's like 8 million maybe 600,000 or something like that. And he was only getting 8 million before. So it'd be like $600,000 raise.
Re: Magic Decline Moritz Wagner's Option; Could still return
Posted: Mon Jul 1, 2024 10:20 pm
by Skybox
eyriq wrote:Skybox wrote:basketballRob wrote:He already has a deal in place to get our room exception that gives him a 6k raise next season. They may give him more years. Everyone in the NBA knows this is happening.
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Why do you say these things with such certainty? Do you have a source that we're paying our backup C $14m next year?

EDIT: Sorry, I didnt' see where you quoted "Everybody in the NBA"
The room exception kicks in once we hit the cap of 141 and it's like 8 million maybe 600,000 or something like that. And he was only getting 8 million before. So it'd be like $600,000 raise.
You know what...he did say 6k...my bad on that part Rob.
There's certainly a strong assumption that they have a deal agreed to, but the terms are not known to us. If DET offers him $15m while he's in limbo, he'll take it and everyone will congratulate him.