Magic Sign G Jalen Suggs to a 5 year, 150.5M Contract Extension

[RichCollab]

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[The Real Dalic]

Whatever 15-20% of our cap is.

[Message Boar]

$25M a year seems about right to me considering the contracts signed so far this offseason. Probably a bit more just to get it done.

[drsd]

$25M a year seems about right to me considering the contracts signed so far this offseason. Probably a bit more just to get it done.

I hope this all works out to be something like Aaron Gordon's contact negotiations. Starting with the player asking for max, and settling on a contract that started at 19% of the cap, and then leveled off after year one.

For Suggs, this would be something like a 28M extension on year 1, and then with sub-5% raises from each year on. Something like a 120M deal on 4-years would look like
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That would be a very palatable deal for the Magic's cap. Is it "fair" to Suggs? Well, he might get more on the open market. But how does one walk away from a guarantee of 9-figure income offer? A 100M+ contract is not only life-changing money for his family, it guarantees that his children, their children, etc. are very affluent: forever.


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[Skybox]

Just to be clear...before the theories & presumptions start running away like a snowball downhill - we haven't heard ANYTHING about negotiations, expectations, etc from either side, right?

We don't know that they are even talking, do we?

IMO, they may well have mutually agreed to put it off until next summer as 1)Suggs hasn't shown anything significant offensively beyond 1 year of good spot-up 3pt shooting, 2)he's definitely got tremendous upside on both ends and may deserve a max with another year of progress, 3)Not getting an extension a year ahead of RFA doesn't hamper the team's ability to keep him at all

He's not worthy of a max extension today...but he certainly might be next summer if a few things fall into place. If I'm Suggs, I probably wait and bet on more progress. It's not necessarily a negative thing that he hasn't signed an extension - for either side. These "mandatory" early extension negotiations are a relatively new concept.

*I'd like to believe that by signing KCP (who is, basically, what Suggs is right now) is a sign that the FO thinks Suggs has a lot more offensive growth, particularly in offensive creation for himself and others, coming soon...Having two KCP's as your starting backcourt takes a LOT of rationalizing by homers to make sense on any kind of long-term basis. I CAN easily believe (and have said) that, long-term, Suggs will just be a better all-around player than Scottie Barnes...but he's certainly not there yet.

[Knightro]

Just to be clear...before the theories & presumptions start running away like a snowball downhill - we haven't heard ANYTHING about negotiations, expectations, etc from either side, right?

We don't know that they are even talking, do we?

IMO, they may well have mutually agreed to put it off until next summer as 1)Suggs hasn't shown anything significant offensively beyond 1 year of good spot-up 3pt shooting, 2)he's definitely got tremendous upside on both ends and may deserve a max with another year of progress, 3)Not getting an extension a year ahead of RFA doesn't hamper the team's ability to keep him at all

He's not worthy of a max extension today...but he certainly might be next summer if a few things fall into place. If I'm Suggs, I probably wait and bet on more progress. It's not necessarily a negative thing that he hasn't signed an extension - for either side. These "mandatory" early extension negotiations are a relatively new concept.

*I'd like to believe that by signing KCP (who is, basically, what Suggs is right now) is a sign that the FO thinks Suggs has a lot more offensive growth, particularly in offensive creation for himself and others, coming soon...Having two KCP's as your starting backcourt takes a LOT of rationalizing by homers to make sense on any kind of long-term basis. I CAN easily believe (and have said) that, long-term, Suggs will just be a better all-around player than Scottie Barnes...but he's certainly not there yet.

Weltman confirmed the two sides were talking and went so far as to say they were trying to "get it across the finish line" during an interview he gave during summer league.

[RichCollab]

Just to be clear...before the theories & presumptions start running away like a snowball downhill - we haven't heard ANYTHING about negotiations, expectations, etc from either side, right?

We don't know that they are even talking, do we?

IMO, they may well have mutually agreed to put it off until next summer as 1)Suggs hasn't shown anything significant offensively beyond 1 year of good spot-up 3pt shooting, 2)he's definitely got tremendous upside on both ends and may deserve a max with another year of progress, 3)Not getting an extension a year ahead of RFA doesn't hamper the team's ability to keep him at all

He's not worthy of a max extension today...but he certainly might be next summer if a few things fall into place. If I'm Suggs, I probably wait and bet on more progress. It's not necessarily a negative thing that he hasn't signed an extension - for either side. These "mandatory" early extension negotiations are a relatively new concept.

*I'd like to believe that by signing KCP (who is, basically, what Suggs is right now) is a sign that the FO thinks Suggs has a lot more offensive growth, particularly in offensive creation for himself and others, coming soon...Having two KCP's as your starting backcourt takes a LOT of rationalizing by homers to make sense on any kind of long-term basis. I CAN easily believe (and have said) that, long-term, Suggs will just be a better all-around player than Scottie Barnes...but he's certainly not there yet.

Suggs puts his body on the line I would take a contract now if it’s good.

[JoshuaPotter]

Frankly i'm ok with 30,000,000.01 per yr.

At the very least his floor is KCP. Whom we also just got.

While he does need to work a lot on his isolation and playmaking as a sorta point guard, he also has potential DPOTY vibes. If it wasn't for Wemby he might be in the conversation for the next 5 years....

I'm not sure this translates into a max player based on what we have seen. So anything less then 30m a year I would consider a steal.

[eyriq]

I think Franz was signed because of consistent performance, versatility, and potential for further development.

I think Suggs only has one of those factors working in his favor, potential for further development.

[p0peye]

So, according to the board, two years from now with AB and Jett off their rookie contracts, our salary structure should be...

Suggs - $30M
KCP - $21.6M
Franz - $48M
Paolo - $50M
AB - 30M (he should be as good as Suggs, right eyriq?)
Isaac - $14.5M
Cole - $13M
Jett - $15M (let's assume he is good enough to be a bench player in two years)
TDS - $4M (rookie scale)
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Total w/o additional rookies and w/o resigning WCJ or Moe: ~220M+

I love it.

[CZ Eddie]

I love Suggs but I'm not sold on his abilities yet.
Not enough to give more than $25M anyhow!
Plus, he doesn't know how to take it easy on his body so it's possible he's going to spend half his career on the injured list.

[eyriq]

AB - he should be as good as Suggs, right eyriq?

I love it.

If this happens we should build Weltman a statue!

[p0peye]

AB - he should be as good as Suggs, right eyriq?

I love it.

If this happens we should build Weltman a statue!

If that's the bar, he should probably ask for a moon if we win a championship.

[pepe1991]

Out of 3 compleated seasons, he only menaged to stay healthy once, he also only had one good year ( last one , with crappy playoffs ).
What in a world would be his case for max or near max? Draft stock? He is 23 years old, young and can still make strides and improve, but not THAT young.

[The-Stallion70]

Getting KCP at $22M per year has really helped the Magic's negotiating position here

Similar player, similar stats, 76, 76 and 77 games played each of the last few seasons for KCP as opposed to, what 50ish on average for Suggs?

Suggs has his first good, consistent season in his career in, surprise surprise, his contract year.

Yawn

Seen this story before

Lol

[tiderulz]

Getting KCP at $22M per year has really helped the Magic's negotiating position here

Similar player, similar stats, 76, 76 and 77 games played each of the last few seasons for KCP as opposed to, what 50ish on average for Suggs?

Suggs has his first good, consistent season in his career in, surprise surprise, his contract year.

Yawn

Seen this story before

Lol

this year is his contract year, not last year

[The-Stallion70]

Getting KCP at $22M per year has really helped the Magic's negotiating position here

Similar player, similar stats, 76, 76 and 77 games played each of the last few seasons for KCP as opposed to, what 50ish on average for Suggs?

Suggs has his first good, consistent season in his career in, surprise surprise, his contract year.

Yawn

Seen this story before

Lol

this year is his contract year, not last year

Interesting perspective you have there since both he and Franz were drafted the same year, but Franz just signed his extension.

[tiderulz]

Getting KCP at $22M per year has really helped the Magic's negotiating position here

Similar player, similar stats, 76, 76 and 77 games played each of the last few seasons for KCP as opposed to, what 50ish on average for Suggs?

Suggs has his first good, consistent season in his career in, surprise surprise, his contract year.

Yawn

Seen this story before

Lol

this year is his contract year, not last year

Interesting perspective you have there since both he and Franz were drafted the same year, but Franz just signed his extension.

the "contract year" is the year before the player is set to get his contract and be paid. gets an extension, doesnt get an extension, he is still paid the same amount this coming year. Its the following year that his extension would kick in, so not really a perspective, this year is his contract year. This year is also Franz's contract year, they just extended him a year early. He has shown high level for 3 years. Now they easily could have waited until after this year, my only reasoning is that if the cap goes up during this next year, his 1st-extension max would go up too, so paying it now limits that max.

[The-Stallion70]

Just to be clear...before the theories & presumptions start running away like a snowball downhill - we haven't heard ANYTHING about negotiations, expectations, etc from either side, right?

We don't know that they are even talking, do we?

he's definitely got tremendous upside on both ends and may deserve a max with another year of progress

Oh goodness no, did you watch him play his rookie year? He can't be relied upon as a main ballhandler. Good outside shooter but he doesn't make defenses adjust to him like max players do. He doesn't draw double teams or create space 1 on 1.

He is an excellent defender and perimeter shooter but doesn't create a ton of shots off the dribble, he doesn't have have like huge hands, long arms or a huge upper body like Markelle did or is a creative ballhandler that allow him to attack the hoop if his shot isn't falling.

He can play downhill a bit and he competes but God I am not expecting him to become a max player ANY TIME SOON.

[Skybox]

Just to be clear...before the theories & presumptions start running away like a snowball downhill - we haven't heard ANYTHING about negotiations, expectations, etc from either side, right?

We don't know that they are even talking, do we?

he's definitely got tremendous upside on both ends and may deserve a max with another year of progress

Oh goodness no, did you watch him play his rookie year? He can't be relied upon as a main ballhandler. Good outside shooter but he doesn't make defenses adjust to him like max players do. He doesn't draw double teams or create space 1 on 1.

He is an excellent defender and perimeter shooter but doesn't create a ton of shots off the dribble, he doesn't have have like huge hands, long arms or a huge upper body like Markelle did or is a creative ballhandler that allow him to attack the hoop if his shot isn't falling.

He can play downhill a bit and he competes but God I am not expecting him to become a max player ANY TIME SOON.

That's kind of my point...let him take another year to show who he can be (or not). His growth curve has been phenomenal - but does he stabilize as KCP or does he have another gear? Maybe it's in both sides' interest to wait and see.