AB the PG development thread

[Skybox]

Hopefully, we can do this without re-hashing all of the useless back and forth we've already covered about AB's rookie year role...

Speaking for myself, I think AB's development as an offensive initiator and playmaker is a MAJOR X-factor for how far this team can go in the next few years. I'd find it useful to review/discuss/highlight and, yes, even dare to critique Black's work in terms of playmaking and handling PG assignments.

He's, apparently, having an eye-opening camp and preseason. I haven't seen anything beyond shared clips and quotes from teammates, but I'm encouraged. He had 8 assists vs PHI but 4 turnovers in only 17:50...I don't love the Assist/Turnover ratio, but the raw number indicates that, yes, he was playmaking. Like I said, I didn't see his overall play and presence and I do think the eye test does matter for a floor leader/PG...so I want to hear reasonable takes on people's opinion on how he's looking.

Also, Suggs had 7 assists vs 2 turnovers. He's also a guy whose playmaking could/should be monitored as, in my mind, it's a major factor in determining what kind of payday and ceiling we should expect with him. Cole had 1 to 1 but only played 8:18.

Hope this can be a useful thread, many of us see a real need for a playmaker or two beyond just our two overworked 6'10 forwards. It would be great if the answers are already on our roster waiting to be unlocked. Lovefest fanboys or not - it's undeniable that our offense was very poor. I never thought criticizing Franz or Paolo's efficiency was fair as very few of their very many points scored were done the easy way. I don't want to cloud the focus of my own first post here, but additional playmakers along with better shooting (partly as a result of better shot creation?) is very simply what we were missing and why our offense was so predictable. To take the next step, the simplest possible route would be internal development of something like a PG (or two). I said simple - not necessarily easy or likely...but let's keep an eye on it, game by game.

[BadMofoPimp]

I think KCP signing for 2 years is what is needed for AB to develop to take over one of the guard positions.

[eyriq]

AB has looked quick and shifty on-ball with the best court vision on the team. He repeatedly manipulated his defender with bursts of speed and change of direction to get wherever he wanted.

I think Suggs has turned our boy into a dangerous playmaker that is ahead of even my most wildest hopes. Iron sharpens iron and Suggs is a diamond quality defender.

[GameOver25]

I like AB and want him to succeed, but if I'm honest in my own assessment, his handle still looks very loose to my liking. Otherwise I like his progression thus far.

[Catledge]

Hopefully, we can do this without re-hashing all of the useless back and forth we've already covered about AB's rookie year role...

Speaking for myself, I think AB's development as an offensive initiator and playmaker is a MAJOR X-factor for how far this team can go in the next few years. I'd find it useful to review/discuss/highlight and, yes, even dare to critique Black's work in terms of playmaking and handling PG assignments.

He's, apparently, having an eye-opening camp and preseason. I haven't seen anything beyond shared clips and quotes from teammates, but I'm encouraged. He had 8 assists vs PHI but 4 turnovers in only 17:50...I don't love the Assist/Turnover ratio, but the raw number indicates that, yes, he was playmaking. Like I said, I didn't see his overall play and presence and I do think the eye test does matter for a floor leader/PG...so I want to hear reasonable takes on people's opinion on how he's looking.

Also, Suggs had 7 assists vs 2 turnovers. He's also a guy whose playmaking could/should be monitored as, in my mind, it's a major factor in determining what kind of payday and ceiling we should expect with him. Cole had 1 to 1 but only played 8:18.

Hope this can be a useful thread, many of us see a real need for a playmaker or two beyond just our two overworked 6'10 forwards. It would be great if the answers are already on our roster waiting to be unlocked. Lovefest fanboys or not - it's undeniable that our offense was very poor. I never thought criticizing Franz or Paolo's efficiency was fair as very few of their very many points scored were done the easy way. I don't want to cloud the focus of my own first post here, but additional playmakers along with better shooting (partly as a result of better shot creation?) is very simply what we were missing and why our offense was so predictable. To take the next step, the simplest possible route would be internal development of something like a PG (or two). I said simple - not necessarily easy or likely...but let's keep an eye on it, game by game.

I feel like Suggs' development as a PG is actually the more important storyline for our team this year.

I'm also curious about how AB will do when guarded by actual point guards instead of by wings. I don't know if it will be harder for him because of the greater demands on his quickness and ball handling or if it will be easier for him because of the size advantage.

[SHAQ32]

Hopefully, we can do this without re-hashing all of the useless back and forth we've already covered about AB's rookie year role...

Speaking for myself, I think AB's development as an offensive initiator and playmaker is a MAJOR X-factor for how far this team can go in the next few years. I'd find it useful to review/discuss/highlight and, yes, even dare to critique Black's work in terms of playmaking and handling PG assignments.

He's, apparently, having an eye-opening camp and preseason. I haven't seen anything beyond shared clips and quotes from teammates, but I'm encouraged. He had 8 assists vs PHI but 4 turnovers in only 17:50...I don't love the Assist/Turnover ratio, but the raw number indicates that, yes, he was playmaking. Like I said, I didn't see his overall play and presence and I do think the eye test does matter for a floor leader/PG...so I want to hear reasonable takes on people's opinion on how he's looking.

Also, Suggs had 7 assists vs 2 turnovers. He's also a guy whose playmaking could/should be monitored as, in my mind, it's a major factor in determining what kind of payday and ceiling we should expect with him. Cole had 1 to 1 but only played 8:18.

Hope this can be a useful thread, many of us see a real need for a playmaker or two beyond just our two overworked 6'10 forwards. It would be great if the answers are already on our roster waiting to be unlocked. Lovefest fanboys or not - it's undeniable that our offense was very poor. I never thought criticizing Franz or Paolo's efficiency was fair as very few of their very many points scored were done the easy way. I don't want to cloud the focus of my own first post here, but additional playmakers along with better shooting (partly as a result of better shot creation?) is very simply what we were missing and why our offense was so predictable. To take the next step, the simplest possible route would be internal development of something like a PG (or two). I said simple - not necessarily easy or likely...but let's keep an eye on it, game by game.

I feel like Suggs' development as a PG is actually the more important storyline for our team this year.

I'm also curious about how AB will do when guarded by actual point guards instead of by wings. I don't know if it will be harder for him because of the greater demands on his quickness and ball handling or if it will be easier for him because of the size advantage.

The only real areas he takes advantage of his size, at this point, is on the glass and at the rim. I would say between the two, the quickness disadvantage is clearly more prevailent.

[VFX]

In terms of how everything stands this season…

Suggs is the point guard and his development matters more in the grand scheme of things. I wouldn’t have said this prior to the end of last season. This was brought about by signing KCP whether people like it or not.

That being said, AB should be taking all of Cole’s minutes. He should be getting all of those minutes as a top lotto pick. Lineups with Cole and AB look bad.

The FO has to start making decisions so that these guys ego’s don’t get hurt and cause issues in the locker room.

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[JF5]

In terms of how everything stands this season…

Suggs is the point guard and his development matters more in the grand scheme of things. I wouldn’t have said this prior to the end of last season. This was brought about by signing KCP whether people like it or not.

That being said, AB should be taking all of Cole’s minutes. He should be getting all of those minutes as a top lotto pick. Lineups with Cole and AB look bad.

The FO has to start making decisions so that these guys ego’s don’t get hurt and cause issues in the locker room.

Black is a second year player who barely played last year and hasn't played a regular season yet to determine if he carry that role. For all we know he could be a preseason darling and look incompetent in real game time minutes in the regular season.

He did look good but we gotta let these things playout. I'm happy from what I've seen from him to say the least so far as to what I think he will turn into.

[VFX]

In terms of how everything stands this season…

Suggs is the point guard and his development matters more in the grand scheme of things. I wouldn’t have said this prior to the end of last season. This was brought about by signing KCP whether people like it or not.

That being said, AB should be taking all of Cole’s minutes. He should be getting all of those minutes as a top lotto pick. Lineups with Cole and AB look bad.

The FO has to start making decisions so that these guys ego’s don’t get hurt and cause issues in the locker room.

Black is a second year player who barely played last year and hasn't played a regular season yet to determine if he carry that role. For all we know he could be a preseason darling and look incompetent in real game time minutes in the regular season.

He did look good but we gotta let these things playout. I'm happy from what I've seen from him to say the least so far as to what I think he will turn into.

I'm not saying what WILL happen. I'm saying what SHOULD happen.

If you take a guy at #6 you probably want him to play basketball.
If you have intentions for him taking a bigger role, then you play him over a guy that will never be a starting point guard.

At some point they will have to make that decision. It should be sooner than later if they know what they are doing.

Im saying this regardless of pre-season performance.

[JF5]

In terms of how everything stands this season…

Suggs is the point guard and his development matters more in the grand scheme of things. I wouldn’t have said this prior to the end of last season. This was brought about by signing KCP whether people like it or not.

That being said, AB should be taking all of Cole’s minutes. He should be getting all of those minutes as a top lotto pick. Lineups with Cole and AB look bad.

The FO has to start making decisions so that these guys ego’s don’t get hurt and cause issues in the locker room.

Black is a second year player who barely played last year and hasn't played a regular season yet to determine if he carry that role. For all we know he could be a preseason darling and look incompetent in real game time minutes in the regular season.

He did look good but we gotta let these things playout. I'm happy from what I've seen from him to say the least so far as to what I think he will turn into.

I'm not saying what WILL happen. I'm saying what SHOULD happen.

If you take a guy at #6 you probably want him to play basketball.
If you have intentions for him taking a bigger role, then you play him over a guy that will never be a starting point guard.

At some point they will have to make that decision. It should be sooner than later if they know what they are doing.

Im saying this regardless of pre-season performance.

Eh, this team is still trying to win whilst also trying to improve/develop assets and have the winning formula they had from last year. Though I agree Cole can be inconsistent and hit or miss at times. He is still an integral part to this team. Though this isn't saying much he's arguably the 3rd best offensive player on this team. Unless Black and Co. can pick up that slack you keep Cole where he's at.

It just seems like rushing the process. No decisions realistically don't need to be made until a year or two from now.

[eyriq]

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[Jiwol]

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Is it you quoting your various burner accounts praising AB?

[eyriq]

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Is it you quoting your various burner accounts praising AB?

Shush you

[BadMofoPimp]

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Lots of fans post stuff like this fan did.

[eyriq]

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Lots of fans post stuff like this fan did.

Magic nation has healed and are hungry to embrace the best point guard since Penny.

[pepe1991]

So this thread will be pretty much made out twitter stickers where eyriq finds irrelevant fan posts from people with 200 followers, or wannabe podcasters that collect 400 views per youtube video but support his agenda with over a top takes in hope to create some conversation and bring their accounts to relevancy?


Nothing says no bias, objectivity and good perception of a league than twitter handle with this description:
Franz Wagner enthusiast
Jonathan Isaac stan
Jett Howard fan
Markelle Fultz enjoyer


I can start twitter handle and claim that Jabari Parker will be better than Durant, and probably find 300 fools to agree with me. That doesn't mean anything said is true. It just means that we live in world full of morons and people who can be manipulated into narrative that fits you.
Just last year, here, but especially on reddit plenty of fans believed Markelle Fultz will be all star.... Fast forward 365 days later and guy... is sitting home without career.

[BadMofoPimp]

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Lots of fans post stuff like this fan did.

Magic nation has healed and are hungry to embrace the best point guard since Penny.

AB is nowhere near as fast, quick, lacks the handles, court vision and is many steps slower on defense but good on defense than Penny. AB is more MCW than Penny. Just saying, he will much better than MCW, but closer to MCW than being closer to Penny. And, with Magic history, that means he has potential to be a capable starter. Worst case, a defensive role playing specialist off the bench. If his three improves, he can be the next Danny Green which to me is not a bad thing.

[Skybox]

Is there any way we can keep this thread focused on AB’s day to day performance?

It’s reminiscent of how Fultz & Vuc discourse fouled every thread on the forum

[RookieStar]

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Who are even these people???