Need a PG! Need FO to show some humility and acknowledge they need a real PG!

[djguevara114]

I applaud what our front office has done, but it is apparent to almost everyone that we need a floor general that can break down defense… Please for the sake of the potential of this team, move Suggs to SG and bring in a starting PG (eventually hoping Black will fill this)…

Watching Schroeders fit with the Wagner brothers and seeing what he is doing in Brooklyn, the Magic should find a way to make this happen as soon as Harris is eligible to be traded (I think December 15th)…

Trade Anthony, Harris, Houstan, our 2 2nd round picks this coming draft, and our unprotected 2027 1st for DFS, Schroeder, and Clowney.

WCJ / Mo / Goga
Bachero / Isaac / Clowney
Franz / DFS / Da Silva
Suggs / KCP / Harris
Schroeder / Black / Joseph

Please!!!

[eyriq]

Schroeder would fit pretty well

[JoshuaPotter]

Maybe we will see something by the deadline. Otherwise, I am not seeing any moves right now.

[J-Mezzy]

Schroeder would fit pretty well

They won’t do it thou

[Knightro]

Do I need to be the first person to say that Dennis Schroder absolutely stinks or what?

You know what the Magic don't need? A guy who has a career 24.7 USG% who also has a 53.3 TS% who also isn't a good defender either.

[JoshuaPotter]

Ya'know let me put it this way after thinking about it.

Current PGs in spirit, or in position, or on paper

Suggs
AB
Cole
Whomever that third guy is for locker room presence.

We are 5 games in, and Cole has already disappeared.

AB is slowly showing playmaking potential and defense that fits our system.

So, now we have a several page worth issue of debating.

Suggs, isn't a PG. He is a SG that has good passing skills. So, you give AB more minutes, we suffer, but he grows eventually you end up with a starting backcourt of Suggs / AB.

AB isn't a PG, he is a wing closer to Ingles. So you can continue him as a 6th man based on what we have seen.

Cole, has disappeared. For now anyway.

We have 4th guy that I have no idea what his name is and refuse to lookup right now.

Now, what collective pieces do you move to not disrupt the current rotation / starting lineup while simultaneously getting a definitive upgrade that is starter material? Even if the person exists and is available, what major piece are you willing to part with that isn't the big 3.

Don't say Jett, TDS, Cole, and one/two of our now mid to late picks. (projected). You are trying to turn crap into gold with that.

[ibraheim718]

Do I need to be the first person to say that Dennis Schroder absolutely stinks or what?

You know what the Magic don't need? A guy who has a career 24.7 USG% who also has a 53.3 TS% who also isn't a good defender either.

They don't understand he's on a bad team and is allowed to do whatever he wants.

The player everyone wants isn't out there right now.. so they have to stay the course and they'll be better for it in the future.

[pepe1991]

Do I need to be the first person to say that Dennis Schroder absolutely stinks or what?

You know what the Magic don't need? A guy who has a career 24.7 USG% who also has a 53.3 TS% who also isn't a good defender either.

Let's be honest here, would it really hurt having player capable of actually creating for himself, no matter how anemic efficiency is?

Give them Goga and Nuggets pick , Dennis is expiring contract anyway. Magic don't even suit up Goga nowdays and they have no usage of another rookie next year, given they will have own pick as well.

There is no need to play Schroder 40 min a game, and he can actually help you especially when you roll no offense lineups like Black-Isaac-Jett Howard -Wagner- Harris. Nobody can even handle the ball let alone set something close to offensive set ( executing it is science fiction ).
From chemistry POV, that's Moes and Franz buddy. Black also speeks Deutsch, given he was raised in Germany. So you would have little Germany quartet.

Last year Magic had top 2 bench in nba, after 5 games bench unit looks average , and small sample size of advanced stats also suggests bench is -average. Can we afford average , given that it was our biggest strength?

I would be fine with other names, Dennis is just so obvious due multiple reasons and connections.

[JoshuaPotter]

Do I need to be the first person to say that Dennis Schroder absolutely stinks or what?

You know what the Magic don't need? A guy who has a career 24.7 USG% who also has a 53.3 TS% who also isn't a good defender either.

Let's be honest here, would it really hurt having player capable of actually creating for himself, no matter how anemic efficiency is?

His name is Paolo

The bench name is Cole.

If you just want ANYONE with anemic efficiency. I guess I can lace up.

[pepe1991]

Do I need to be the first person to say that Dennis Schroder absolutely stinks or what?

You know what the Magic don't need? A guy who has a career 24.7 USG% who also has a 53.3 TS% who also isn't a good defender either.

Let's be honest here, would it really hurt having player capable of actually creating for himself, no matter how anemic efficiency is?

His name is Paolo

The bench name is Cole.

If you just want ANYONE with anemic efficiency. I guess I can lace up.

For single season, i would take Schroder over Cole 100 out of 100 times.
Right now Cole isn't even playable.

[Skybox]

Schroeder has been around a long time...his usage rates, etc are proven as is his prickly personality. However, 3 things make it a plausible option, imo...

1. BRK is tanking HARD and should be open for business.
2. The German connection with the Wagners & TdS might soften the personality concerns and bring out the best of their "playing the right way" upbringing together.
3. He's expiring anyway and at 31 might be looking for a place to settle in...play well, behave himself, and maybe score one more fair deal in a winning environment rather than spend his remaining years bouncing around on one year deals.

I like Pepe's idea of Goga, but he can't be traded until January and chemistry is the whole point here...I'd say Cole + DEN pick NOW. We also are paying a bit to get off of Cole's deal. I won't be butt hurt if Cole does well elsewhere - he's a great guy but no longer a great fit, imo.

Dennis is no savior...it's as much a coaching thing, imo. I'm really encouraged by AB's play and might give him a boost of responsibility, even if it damages our prospects slightly for this year (it might not).

I LOVE Suggs - but it's just not who he is. I love KCP (as the same thing) but it isn't really surprising that the two together lack offensive creation and playmaking. I think there's a reason that SG/PG is "conventional"...it's a proven dynamic.

Tricky part...I'd start AB/Suggs with Schroeder/KCP getting substantial minutes. There's much more offensive playmaking in the frontcourt with the starters, so AB gets time to keep growing -which is ORL's long term best vision...Dennis is handed the keys to the second unit like Jingles seemed to have (when he was ambulatory). All 4 get substantial minutes, which may vary game to game. KCP maybe gets some addtl. minutes at the 3 to soften what is, hopefully, not taken as a "demotion".

But, as stated earlier, a lot is on the coaching staff to get things like cutting, picking, moving without the ball, etc into their vocabulary.

[JoshuaPotter]

Let's be honest here, would it really hurt having player capable of actually creating for himself, no matter how anemic efficiency is?

His name is Paolo

The bench name is Cole.

If you just want ANYONE with anemic efficiency. I guess I can lace up.

For single season, i would take Schroder over Cole 100 out of 100 times.
Right now Cole isn't even playable.

This is at best rose colored glasses thinking and worst grass is greener on the other side.

I would rather Anthony Black + Paolo struggle with reps then find another stop gap. Specifically after just 1 game, where offenses stalled on both sides.

[Skybox]

Do I need to be the first person to say that Dennis Schroder absolutely stinks or what?

You know what the Magic don't need? A guy who has a career 24.7 USG% who also has a 53.3 TS% who also isn't a good defender either.

Let's be honest here, would it really hurt having player capable of actually creating for himself, no matter how anemic efficiency is?

His name is Paolo

The bench name is Cole.

If you just want ANYONE with anemic efficiency. I guess I can lace up.

Cole getting a DNP in THAT impotent stretch is a notice of his standing on the team. ALL that he purports to bring to the table is exactly what was needed and he still never got off the bench in CHI. Sad - because he seems to be such an awesome teammate and personality. I still believe he's got some game but he's seeming to be a great example of a guy who might benefit from a change of scenery.

[JoshuaPotter]

Let's be honest here, would it really hurt having player capable of actually creating for himself, no matter how anemic efficiency is?

His name is Paolo

The bench name is Cole.

If you just want ANYONE with anemic efficiency. I guess I can lace up.

Cole getting a DNP in THAT impotent stretch is a notice of his standing on the team. ALL that he purports to bring to the table is exactly what was needed and he still never got off the bench in CHI. Sad - because he seems to be such an awesome teammate and personality. I still believe he's got some game but he's seeming to be a great example of a guy who might benefit from a change of scenery.

My current thought regarding Mose and the Cole situation. Is that Mose first of all demands defense from his guards. Cole was being punished on defense on the highlight reel yet I still saw effort. However, we can all agree that Black is a rising candidate.

The question becomes, will Black play down to Coles level or will Harris ect?

This idea though, that we are going to somehow trade an relatively low asset for another player and then raise him up to a better asset then what we have is Fultz level fun.

[ogmagicfan]

I'm completely on board to trade Cole, Houstan, & Den 1st for Schroder

It makes way too much sense for us to not do. His chemistry with the Wagner brother is a great selling point and he would make Moe a usable player offensively again

He also is a good POA defender and can get a hot hand at times

Whats undeniable is we need another player who can create their own shot, regardless of position. It just makes the most sense to get a PG at the same time and kill 2 birds with 1 stone

Also sending Cole back home to a team he will be getting serious minutes on is the respectful way to do things

[Bensational]

This feels like the way it was intended to play out to me. Cole and Harris have been solid rotation guys previously, but they still play at a level that AB and Jett should hopefully outgrow and outperform.

The only problem is that Cole’s game has regressed for now which makes him too easy to beat out, and which means we’ll have some less polished versions of AB and Jett in the short term. But they look ready to compete whilst they develop so let’s just take the training wheels off and commit to their development. Chase a PG in the off-season if it’s still required.

[Skybox]

I'm completely on board to trade Cole, Houstan, & Den 1st for Schroder

It makes way too much sense for us to not do. His chemistry with the Wagner brother is a great selling point and he would make Moe a usable player offensively again

He also is a good POA defender and can get a hot hand at times

Whats undeniable is we need another player who can create their own shot, regardless of position. It just makes the most sense to get a PG at the same time and kill 2 birds with 1 stone

Also sending Cole back home to a team he will be getting serious minutes on is the respectful way to do things

I think the Mo factor is a big one. He had great moments with Jingles. He can finish, has good hands and a fierce competitor. But, he's honestly not a very good player. If his last name was different, he'd be included in every idea as "salary filler" and probably wouldn't have the last couple of deals...He's made so much more salary in ORL than anywhere else. Having said that, he's very good with the right setup and, maybe, Schroder's familiarity with him could bring that chemistry back.

[VFX]

There is no real downside to this. There isn't really an argument otherwise outside of "no, who is available?" like refusing to believe players can't be moved.

- Cole hasn't been playable.
- Orlando isn't likely using the Denver pick.
- AB isn't ready to or hasn't shown the ability to "run" offense. (that isn't necessarily disparaging to him)
- Moe has looked BAD without Ingles or someone to run things in the secondary.
- There are multiple players NOW in Orlando that wont or can't see playing time barring various injuries.
- Orlando's core development is more important than praying AB becomes the guy 1-2 years from now or adding more to Suggs plate.
- It's so glaringly obvious how stagnant the offense becomes. It's the worst aspect of how this team is developing and Orlando's achilles heel since last season + playoffs.

[djguevara114]

We should be a team that dominates the paint. The problem is we can’t get to the paint and settle for threes when we are a poor shooting team. If our place so far, this season is any indicator as to what to expect Friday, we will lose by 30+ points.

[J-Mezzy]

For those saying Schroeder puts up stats on a bad team

How many of our guards could put up stats in a bad team??