RealGM

https://youtu.be/B1VrTH32t1M?si=-nRvydywd6uNnXWj

I’d be curious to see some implementation of the Triangle Offense ran between Paolo & Franz. Having two 6’10” guys capable of handling the ball and scoring as well as passing and cutting could be game changing for this team. WCJ is good as a passer and screener we might actually have the pieces in place to run this now. Included a video breaking it down incase some here didn’t get to experience the mastery of Jordan running this, it was beautiful. It just seems like the perfect offense to run between Paolo and Franz.

Surprised no-one has responded to you. So I'll try.

Anyone who thinks both Paolo amd Franz aren't changed permanently by Franz' amazing run of form without Banchero is very naive.

When Paolo comes back he will naturally, as a competitor, want to reassert himself as top banana. Not necessarily to the team's detriment and not in a selfish way, but you can be sure Paolo is itching to get back and restore the "natural order".

Franz, who's been the dutiful sidekick on so many teams and especially to Banchero, will be emboldened. He'll know he has new elevated limits, he'll have agents, media, fans and friends/family pushing him to keep up his amazing run of form.

But Paolo has thrived as heavy no. 1 option playing iso-heavy from the top of the key.

Franz has thrived playing PnR off Goga/Moe as a roll man and off Black/ Suggs when he drives/shoots from the perimeter.

Whichever of the two playstyles you now decide to lean heavily on, will be to the gain of one and the detriment of the other (to some extent). That could be dangerous.

So, opening up a 3rd way is not a bad idea. I don't know if its the triangle, but intuitively something predicated on them working off each other and using the deep roster to help work both into spots seems logical.

Going back to our game pre-Franz-surge would be a bad idea and a misuse of talent.

Triangle failed in 2014 when Phil Jackson tried to implement it with the Knicks and Carmelo, it is too slow and restrictive for the space and pace era and the Knicks were near the bottom in pace.

Today's NBA basketball resembles pickup ball more than it has in a while and playing within a slow heavy iso system like the triangle just isn't as effective as it was.

The Warriors system uses some elements of it but it is more based on the idea that if somebody has an open shot, it really not an open shot for you instead Curry or Klay come take the ball from you and they shoot it and you screen for them. So an open shot for anybody is really an open shot for Curry or Klay.

The-Stallion70 wrote:Triangle failed in 2014 when Phil Jackson tried to implement it with the Knicks and Carmelo, it is too slow and restrictive for the space and pace era and the Knicks were near the bottom in pace.

Today's NBA basketball resembles pickup ball more than it has in a while and playing within a slow heavy iso system like the triangle just isn't as effective as it was.

The Warriors system uses some elements of it but it is more based on the idea that if somebody has an open shot, it really not an open shot for you instead Curry or Klay come take the ball from you and they shoot it and you screen for them. So an open shot for anybody is really an open shot for Curry or Klay.

We play one of the slowest offenses in the NBA so it doesn’t hurt us there, and we also have 2 guys capable of iso’ing that can creat for themselves as well as being willing/wanting passers.

jezzerinho wrote:Surprised no-one has responded to you. So I'll try.

Anyone who thinks both Paolo amd Franz aren't changed permanently by Franz' amazing run of form without Banchero is very naive.

When Paolo comes back he will naturally, as a competitor, want to reassert himself as top banana. Not necessarily to the team's detriment and not in a selfish way, but you can be sure Paolo is itching to get back and restore the "natural order".

Franz, who's been the dutiful sidekick on so many teams and especially to Banchero, will be emboldened. He'll know he has new elevated limits, he'll have agents, media, fans and friends/family pushing him to keep up his amazing run of form.

But Paolo has thrived as heavy no. 1 option playing iso-heavy from the top of the key.

Franz has thrived playing PnR off Goga/Moe as a roll man and off Black/ Suggs when he drives/shoots from the perimeter.

Whichever of the two playstyles you now decide to lean heavily on, will be to the gain of one and the detriment of the other (to some extent). That could be dangerous.

So, opening up a 3rd way is not a bad idea. I don't know if its the triangle, but intuitively something predicated on them working off each other and using the deep roster to help work both into spots seems logical.

Going back to our game pre-Franz-surge would be a bad idea and a misuse of talent.

It’s going to be interesting to see how this is managed when Paolo comes back. If they can figure out how to unlock Paolo and Franz together it will be great for everyone.

The-Stallion70 wrote:Triangle failed in 2014 when Phil Jackson tried to implement it with the Knicks and Carmelo, it is too slow and restrictive for the space and pace era and the Knicks were near the bottom in pace.

Today's NBA basketball resembles pickup ball more than it has in a while and playing within a slow heavy iso system like the triangle just isn't as effective as it was.

The Warriors system uses some elements of it but it is more based on the idea that if somebody has an open shot, it really not an open shot for you instead Curry or Klay come take the ball from you and they shoot it and you screen for them. So an open shot for anybody is really an open shot for Curry or Klay.

I think a perimeter (From the free throw line up) oriented triangle with quicker decisions in the half court would fit perfectly for the Magic since they're not a team that goes up and down consistently. Since everyone on the squad has a pretty good BBIQ I think they'd thrive in it and make the offense flow easier for the other guys not named Paolo/Franz. Promoting more cuts to the basket/ball movement and even allowing the occasional midrange jumper by role players during droughts (absolutely sacrilegious in today's game I know, lol)

The issue I've seen with this team is that they don't look for an easy bucket and don't have a secondary offensive strategy whilst in a slump. They just throw it to Franz and/or Paolo to get them out of trouble or just keep chicking 3s. I think there are several factors at play when we talk about this specific issue though.

1. It's typically by design to make Paolo/Franz better in such situations.

2. The team isn't as offensively inclined as of yet and don't have the consistent weapons to scare opponents, yet.

3. Our Coaching is based off mostly Defense. They don't have a guy on that staff that makes imaginative plays that get the best out of the guys. It's similar to how JJ Redick and LeBron James were able to unlock the Lakers offense with consistent player/ball movement after getting rid of Darvin Ham.

4. Maybe the team struggles with advance offensive sets still, and they're unable to fully grasp it as of yet so they still play through a more heliocentric offense? It's an interesting thing to think about.

Back to the original topic. It's something the Magic should take a look at when they feel Franz and Paolo have developed enough in their 1on1 games, and should take some of those Triangle concepts (update them in today's game) and implement them more in the next 1-2 years. They definitely have the personnel to do it.

How can you not like Triangle? But is it the exact offensive system Magic needs to implement? idk

It is a structure and system that sets up autonomous movement of players. It is like Motion offense but within a system. It is somehow like a set play but it is not exactly

That system will free up easier opportunities for your star players to score, instead of just relying on Iso and one on one skills, which Orlando Magic does a lot.

Speaking of Pick and Roll, this is the true love affair of the league right now. But I hope an offense just like the Triangle can create more movement and cuts ultimately free up the star focal point to easier scoring options or less double teams.

TBH, I really love it.

Triangle gets you open mid-range shots mostly. Basketball has evolved past that. You can take some elements from it but I don't think it provides much value.

I think they should run the four corners.

Imagine Paolo setting up on the strong side of the Triangle leaving Franz to operate on the weak side. The beauty of this is we have two perfectly interchangeable stars to take up both strong and weak side attacks and play off of and through. This might be a reach but even Jett Howard might be of some use in the triangle system.

Do you know what you don’t need to run the triangle offense?? A POINT GUARD!! The more you think about it at look at the roster the more it makes sense. Paolo and Franz aren’t Pippen and Jordan or are they lol?? It’s honestly an offense that would feature them both but separately at the same time.

https://youtu.be/-771lhL5cys?si=ngAhwuZ2xHMktnuV

Kobe Bryant on the beauty of the triangle

three3d wrote:Do you know what you don’t need to run the triangle offense?? A POINT GUARD!! .

What pointguard ran a triangle in Chicago or LAL?

Both teams used their PGs as kickout sharpshooters.

To the question: the most effective play in the modern NBA is the PnR. What Orlando needs when Banchero comes back is to run PnRs between Banchero and F-Wagner. Where either player can initiate it.

What needs to end is iso-Heroball. That nonsense is for broken plays and is not a good set play.

drsd wrote:To the question: the most effective play in the modern NBA is the PnR. What Orlando needs when Banchero comes back is to run PnRs between Banchero and F-Wagner. Where either player can initiate it.

What needs to end is iso-Heroball. That nonsense is for broken plays and is not a good set play.

PnR between Paolo and Franz sure some times, but what is more deadly is having them set up on opposite sides of the court. No way the defense can double both of them without them being right next to each other, spacing is key.

drsd wrote:

three3d wrote:Do you know what you don’t need to run the triangle offense?? A POINT GUARD!! .

What pointguard ran a triangle in Chicago or LAL?

Both teams used their PGs as kickout sharpshooters.

Exactly and we could use Suggs & KCP the exact same way. You could even throw Jett into screens as he’s dangerous not dribbling the ball but catching and shooting with his quick release.

The blue print is out there , once you see what this offense could be it becomes so much easier to get the pieces we need. We’ve got the two hardest pieces to find, the Bulls built a dynasty around Jordan and Pippen but just running the right system and having the greatest player in the world also. The system worked, it still will today and we have two of the current top players to run it through.