Why does ORL turn it over SOOOOO much?

[Skybox]

Why all the turnovers?

Anyone?

[cedric76]

Because we r playing without our 2 main guys

[Bergmaniac]

Because we r playing without our 2 main guys

We were 25th in the league in turnover percentage last season when they were healthy the whole year. This year we are 23rd. Paolo in particular has always been quite turnover prone.

But that's normal for a young team, especially one focused mostly on defence. The fact that we have so few good ballhandlers and passers obviously doesn't help either.

[basketballRob]

Players that are young tend to turn it over more, and that turnover rate goes down as they get older.

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[RichCollab]

Players are playing at 120%. Changing lineups. Youth.

[eyriq]

Youth and inexperience.

Poor:
1. ball-handling skills,
2. Passing accuracy, and
3. Decision-making under pressure.

[AdamTheGreek]

Suggs is not a point guard. Cole has severely regressed. Black is still young and will make mistakes.

We are without our two leading assist guys and best playmakers in Paolo and Franz.

Those are not small things to overcome.

[Skybox]

Suggs is not a point guard. Cole has severely regressed. Black is still young and will make mistakes.

We are without our two leading assist guys and best playmakers in Paolo and Franz.

Those are not small things to overcome.

It's been pointed out repeatedly that even with Paolo & Franz, we turn it over to a horrendous degree. They are great playmakers, but it's not they can handle in traffic or initiate the offense efficiently all of the time. It's just a silly concept to not have a single serious ball handler and/or efficient playmaker on the roster...having young guys that can't do it is not an excuse...if it is, at least get an older guy that can, in the meantime. Turnovers are just "Normal" for this group...it's absurd.

Understanding that two 6'10 guys are NOT really PG-level PG's (but are good enough scorers to cover it for the starting lineup) is fine, but how is the second unit supposed to function at a playoff-level ?

(Oh, I know...we're 3 years away, they're young - so have no accountability for bad play, they'll be superstars any day now, what's the rush, have fun and support a product that could be a lot better with relatively small tweaks - for present and future). Franz & Paolo & Suggs are content to just bleed all over the floor and lose to less-talented but better-constructed teams because it's all on them.

[OrlandoDream]

Thats what happens when your team doesnt have an NBA level starting PG. You know you have a big problem to address when your teams offensive flow looks better with a washed-up Corey Joseph at PG.

THis offseason, front office needs to get us a PG. Suggs isn't a PG and that experiment failed miserably.

[byeganyo]

Both Suggs and Black have more turnovers than assists in the last 9 games.
Orlandos backcourt has plenty of defensive skills, but is there worse collection of guards in terms of ballhandling in NBA?

[Bergmaniac]

I took a closer look in the on/off numbers this year when it comes to turnovers and the most notable thing is the massive difference in turnover rate when Suggs and Franz played together compared to when Suggs played withut Franz.

When Franz and Suggs have both been on the court this season, the turnover rate (turnovers per 100 possessions) has been 13.1.

With Suggs on the court without Franz the turnover rate has been 18.8.

That's a pretty massive difference. I knew Suggs being the main PG is bad for the turnover rate but I have underestimated how much worse it is.

[OrlandoDream]

I took a closer look in the on/off numbers this year when it comes to turnovers and the most notable thing is the massive difference in turnover rate when Suggs and Franz played together compared to when Suggs played withut Franz.

When Franz and Suggs have both been on the court this season, the turnover rate (turnovers per 100 possessions) has been 13.1.

With Suggs on the court without Franz the turnover rate has been 18.8.

That's a pretty massive difference. I knew Suggs being the main PG is bad for the turnover rate but I have underestimated how much worse it is.

Franz/Paolo having the ball in their hands gets a lot of attention of opposing defense. The supporting players (suggs, AB, KCP) don't have anywhere near the same pressure to produce and execute with the attention those two draw. They have a lot less pressure on defense that leads to lower TO. Their return can't come soon enough.

[three3d]

The easiest answer is no point guard but I think it goes deeper than that.

- poor spacing
- no real offense being ran
- no shooting threat
- not enough player movement without the ball

The main goal of the offense at times is ISO ball and creating driving to the basket. THAT DOES NOT work when your team is shooting so horribly. Defenses can cheat and pack the paint or double, triple, quadruple Paolo and Franz.

[VFX]

No point guards

Because two 6’10 forwards.

/thread

[Residual-Heat]

We're missing our best playmakers, and the FO refused to upgrade from Cole when they really needed to. Suggs turns the ball over, Black turns the ball over. These guys cant be your primary playmakers, but we already knew that.

We'll see how the team looks like when everyone is healthy. Paolo and Franz are 6'10 playmakers, and throughout history most players at that size turn the ball over more than a 6'0 PG usually would. However Franz and Paolo's AT:TO ratio was solid this season. Franz at 2.33 and Paolo (small sample size) at 2.55 wouldve ranked higher than Luka and Lebron James.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

No point guard with ball handing skills that can play under pressure.

[Bakomagic]

We're missing our best playmakers, and the FO refused to upgrade from Cole when they really needed to. Suggs turns the ball over, Black turns the ball over. These guys cant be your primary playmakers, but we already knew that.

We'll see how the team looks like when everyone is healthy. Paolo and Franz are 6'10 playmakers, and throughout history most players at that size turn the ball over more than a 6'0 PG usually would. However Franz and Paolo's AT:TO ratio was solid this season. Franz at 2.33 and Paolo (small sample size) at 2.55 wouldve ranked higher than Luka and Lebron James.

Paolo and Franz lower ast/to rates feels good to read. I do believe that they will continue to do this well as they continue to grow and mature.

Been disappointed with Cole and blacks inconsistency, so I’d like to bring in a ball handler that can score and handle the ball on the 2nd unit consistently.

[HighPack]

It's our specialty.

[pepe1991]

TOs don't have as much co relation with youth as you think.

Lowest TO team in nba- OKC, who are also one of youngest teams.
Third highest TOs - Clippers- one of oldest teams.

Lot of our TOs are direct result of role players not being comfortable putting ball on the floor, because their skillsets on offense are simply very limited.

Half of current Magic roster feels uncomfortable dribbling the ball for longer period of possession.

[ucfmay2000]

Why all the turnovers?

Anyone?

Young, inexperience, no true point guard, and the play calls on how to set up an offense also are the reason for TO. If you rewatch the games, they made so many dangerous and passes which could be intercepted.