Trade KCP?

[otownflava21]

Why would we do that? Here are some reasons that I feel are why we should…

1. He still has some league respect.

Even after a disastrous start to the season I believe he is still respected at the moment. Trade him before it’s too late. There are certainly some contenders and fringe contenders that would have interest in obtaining him just based on his veteran status and defensive prowess alone.

2. He doesn’t fit the team, nor the timeline.

Let’s face it, he’s not the fit to the team we thought he would be. Even when Paolo was playing and Franz was balling, KCP still was flat. His bests production games have come with Banchero and Wagner out. On top of that, there’s no way KCP remains our starting SG of the future with his age and declining play. So why not give the time to AB or someone else we obtain at PG/SG instead? He’s a duplicate to Gary Harris, as most of us knew already.

3. He is not who he used to be.

KCP still brings tenacious defense, I’ll certainly tip my hat for that. But his shot is broke, and his drive game is dwindling. He also has been flat from mid range too. It was just a bad gamble, plain and simple, for the Magic to have signed him.

Should we trade KCP while we still can and he has value? Idk if we get filler or future picks for him at this stage. It’ll be addition by subtraction. We already have Gary Harris.

[RichCollab]

KCP was brought here as the 4th option and to play with Franz and Paolo. He has played fantastic defense which makes him a fit just from that perspective.

I’m not 100% against trading him if we can improve.

[otownflava21]

KCP was brought here as the 4th option and to play with Franz and Paolo. He has played fantastic defense which makes him a fit just from that perspective.

I’m not 100% against trading him if we can improve.

Another option is to trade KCP for a PG and move Suggs back to his natural SG role where he averaged 39% from 3 last season

[RookieStar]

Ahh.... this is just like peak d12 days. When we lose a game, tradr threads immediately pop up.

Things must be looking up for us.

Ok... to your topic. When we signed KCP, what do you think our FO was thinking? They werent thinking they qere signing PG or Klay to shoulder the scoring load.

They signed KCP, a 6'7 G/F defender that is a 3pt threat to help open up the court for our main guys. We didnt get him to average 20pts a game for us

[RichCollab]

KCP was brought here as the 4th option and to play with Franz and Paolo. He has played fantastic defense which makes him a fit just from that perspective.

I’m not 100% against trading him if we can improve.

Another option is to trade KCP for a PG and move Suggs back to his natural SG role where he averaged 39% from 3 last season

We have Paolo and Franz. LOL the FO isn’t going to add a PG to replace KCP.

They may change direction during the offseason. We could use more bench play making though. I don’t see us trading KCP for a bench player.

[SHAQ32]

We don't have the playmaking or the offensive fluidity to facilitate KCP. It was a dumb signing from day one, which makes me think it was just a political behind-the-scenes signing. Same thing for WCJ.

[RichCollab]

We don't have the playmaking or the offensive fluidity to facilitate KCP. It was a dumb signing from day one, which makes me think it was just a political behind-the-scenes signing. Same thing for WCJ.

I’m pretty sure FO wants Paolo and Franz to continue to develop play making skills and thus didn’t add a PG to take the load off them.

[cedric76]

No

[GelbeWand09]

They shouldn't have signed him to begin with. He is a good player and helped improving our defense a bit but he is Gary Harris Sr not more. Like I wrote a few times before adding defense to a 95% defense has much less effect than adding offense to a 25% offense.

His shooting was always overrated here because his volume was way too low to make a big difference even if he hits his normal %.

[The-Stallion70]

We would probably like to trade him but he doesn't have much trade value.

[byeganyo]

We don't have the playmaking or the offensive fluidity to facilitate KCP. It was a dumb signing from day one, which makes me think it was just a political behind-the-scenes signing. Same thing for WCJ.

I’m pretty sure FO wants Paolo and Franz to continue to develop play making skills and thus didn’t add a PG to take the load off them.

And what if they prefer to play somewhere where they are not forced to bring the ball up court and ask for a trade?

Maybe KCP was signed because this was the best FA opportunity the market offered, not because there was some longterm masterful plan? He is a good trade piece and if there is a chance he could be traded.

JI is the one that should be send away like yesterday, but it wont happen.

[AdamTheGreek]

No, but the coaching staff shouldn’t be shy about having him come off the bench.

Kenny just had a great 2-game trip. So he’s starting to get it going offensively. Let’s see how he does against the Knicks.

[tiderulz]

KCP was brought here as the 4th option and to play with Franz and Paolo. He has played fantastic defense which makes him a fit just from that perspective.

I’m not 100% against trading him if we can improve.

Another option is to trade KCP for a PG and move Suggs back to his natural SG role where he averaged 39% from 3 last season

[eyriq]

He's a role player that's being overpaid because we can afford it. He brings 3&D production with veteran leadership and a championship pedigree. He's here to help player development. I don't think he's underperforming relative to Weltman's or Mosley's expectations.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

KCP was brought here as the 4th option and to play with Franz and Paolo. He has played fantastic defense which makes him a fit just from that perspective.

I’m not 100% against trading him if we can improve.

Another option is to trade KCP for a PG and move Suggs back to his natural SG role where he averaged 39% from 3 last season

if only we had a year to prove that Suggs is a SG and we needed a proper PG...

[VFX]

Was a stupid signing to begin with.

-Team was great defensively already.
-He was a marginal upgrade over Gary Harris and they are both super low volume. Contract was a waste in comparison.
-Suggs shot 40% from 3 the year prior. Was a MIP candidate at his position.
-You drafted AB already who is as good or better defensively, so the “defense needed” argument doesn’t hold water either.

The midwit response to the offseason was “we need more shooting” . The midwit response was “go get KCP”.

No, the team needed ball movement and playmaking for the shooters they already had on the team. They needed another outlet so that the offense wasn’t Paolo and Franz crashing into bodies down low every possession to get inevitably injured.

Weltman didn’t even know yet if Paolo and Franz were undoubtedly the best possible options being primary and secondary playmakers with the ball. He just hopes they were and tripled down for no real reason when he could have made the team more efficient.

They can both be your primary and secondary scoring options. That doesn’t mean they need to both be the only options with the ball in their hands at all times. They need to be able to catch and shoot the ball to be more efficient.

[yoyojw17]

We don't have the playmaking or the offensive fluidity to facilitate KCP. It was a dumb signing from day one, which makes me think it was just a political behind-the-scenes signing. Same thing for WCJ.

I’m pretty sure FO wants Paolo and Franz to continue to develop play making skills and thus didn’t add a PG to take the load off them.

This is how I see it.

We just happen to have lost our two main playmakers and happen to also have an unconventional lineup where both of those players are Forwards. Still no different as much compared to a team losing both their star pg and forward. No matter what, you'll be down playmaking.

It gave Paolo and Franz room to grow in that aspect... And also left the door open for players like Anthony black and Jalen suggs. If they fail to meet expectations I'm sure they will pivot too. But you still have to give these players ample time to fail and succeed... And that timeline might be longer than we anticipate.

[tiderulz]

We don't have the playmaking or the offensive fluidity to facilitate KCP. It was a dumb signing from day one, which makes me think it was just a political behind-the-scenes signing. Same thing for WCJ.

I’m pretty sure FO wants Paolo and Franz to continue to develop play making skills and thus didn’t add a PG to take the load off them.

This is how I see it.

We just happen to have lost our two main playmakers and happen to also have an unconventional lineup where both of those players are Forwards. Still no different as much compared to a team losing both their star pg and forward. No matter what, you'll be down playmaking.

It gave Paolo and Franz room to grow in that aspect... And also left the door open for players like Anthony black and Jalen suggs. If they fail to meet expectations I'm sure they will pivot too. But you still have to give these players ample time to fail and succeed... And that timeline might be longer than we anticipate.

does it matter that one of said players has publicly stated he didnt want to be the primary focus of the offense and wanted a PG to help lessen the load and help give him some easy baskets?

[three3d]

2 POINTS!!! Two f@@@ing points last night short handed as hell and people still stand by this signing.

[Skybox]

Credit where it’s due…KCP is just as lethal as Suggs at POA. Together, they are a nightmare defensively. His efficiency is disappointing, but overall, his offense is about what you’d expect based on his history…just who he is. Fun to project that he would unleash a whole new level of scoring and playmaking when you trade for a guy - but there was never any basis. I wouldn’t fear trading him and I think he does hold real value to a contender…but I’m not looking to offload him for cause. He’s big enough to play 2 & 3 and he can certainly be trusted defensively. There are quite a few I’d look to package with picks before KCP, presuming other teams would have interest in them. He’s slightly overpaid, but not long-term. We shouldn’t be afraid to move him around in the lineups or consider who he might make expendable.

Not available: Paolo & Franz
Not available unless it’s a really BIG one…Suggs, TdS, KCP, Goga
Available for a clear offensive backcourt upgrade…Isaac, AB, Moe, Harris (I value his expiring more than him)
Available, in a package, even just for salary relief…WCJ, Cole, Jett, the rest