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So I just came across this video on YouTube that was just loaded. He does a really good job with his research and when you hear how Paolo’s numbers stack up across the league you might be surprised.

He also dives into Franz’s analytical stats and those numbers show we might need to be thinking a little differently around here.

I’ll care about any of this when we get a vet point guard who can actually run the offense.

I promise you, if we trade either player we’re going to see exactly how they should be used on their new team.

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:I’ll care about any of this when we get a vet point guard who can actually run the offense.

I promise you, if we trade either player we’re going to see exactly how they should be used on their new team.

Paolo is bad at some really crucial things, don’t know if a pg can help that or not

three3d wrote:

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:I’ll care about any of this when we get a vet point guard who can actually run the offense.

I promise you, if we trade either player we’re going to see exactly how they should be used on their new team.

Paolo is bad at some really crucial things, don’t know if a pg can help that or not

So this whole post is to sit here and say “Paolo is bad, Franz is better”? I’m good, I am not going to tear down a player to build another one up.

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:

three3d wrote:

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:I’ll care about any of this when we get a vet point guard who can actually run the offense.

I promise you, if we trade either player we’re going to see exactly how they should be used on their new team.

Paolo is bad at some really crucial things, don’t know if a pg can help that or not

So this whole post is to sit here and say “Paolo is bad, Franz is better”? I’m good, I am not going to tear down a player to build another one up.

Lol look I’m just sharing a video that does a good breakdown of Paolo and puts some perspective of what his numbers represent. Little strange that you’d think talking about his stats and percentages are “tearing down a player” without actually watching the clip.

three3d wrote:

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:

three3d wrote:

Paolo is bad at some really crucial things, don’t know if a pg can help that or not

So this whole post is to sit here and say “Paolo is bad, Franz is better”? I’m good, I am not going to tear down a player to build another one up.

Lol look I’m just sharing a video that does a good breakdown of Paolo and puts some perspective of what his numbers represent. Little strange that you’d think talking about his stats and percentages are “tearing down a player” without actually watching the clip.

Nope, it’s not the video, it’s the intention with your first post. Read it again. Now, exactly what do you think is going to happen?

And quite frankly, I stopped watching the video when he started taking about Paolo’s game after he came back from injury. Until Paolo is healthy, I don’t care about his analytics.

I have watched multiple Paolo analysis videos-not from this guy though.

Anybody can create a Youtube video....

Give Paolo lifetime max! I honestly didn’t watch the video but the agenda seems strong with you!

three3d wrote:https://youtu.be/h40N5czXe-I?si=7bhASTpuKe8Nkdk0

So I just came across this video on YouTube that was just loaded. He does a really good job with his research and when you hear how Paolo’s numbers stack up across the league you might be surprised.

He also dives into Franz’s analytical stats and those numbers show we might need to be thinking a little differently around here.

I'll definitely be thinking differently before I click on another one of your posts

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:

three3d wrote:

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:So this whole post is to sit here and say “Paolo is bad, Franz is better”? I’m good, I am not going to tear down a player to build another one up.

Lol look I’m just sharing a video that does a good breakdown of Paolo and puts some perspective of what his numbers represent. Little strange that you’d think talking about his stats and percentages are “tearing down a player” without actually watching the clip.

Nope, it’s not the video, it’s the intention with your first post. Read it again. Now, exactly what do you think is going to happen?

And quite frankly, I stopped watching the video when he started taking about Paolo’s game after he came back from injury. Until Paolo is healthy, I don’t care about his analytics.

I have watched multiple Paolo analysis videos-not from this guy though.

Please enlighten me, what was my intention in your mind? Had you not given in so easy you’d see he also goes over Paolo’s stats last season.

three3d wrote:

Please enlighten me, what was my intention in your mind? Had you not given in so easy you’d see he also goes over Paolo’s stats last season.

He also dives into Franz’s analytical stats and those numbers show we might need to be thinking a little differently around here.

This was your point. To compare the two. We know your feelings about Paolo and how you feel about Franz, so you posting a video with the title “The Paolo Banchero Problem Explained” already put the reader in a comparison mindset.

If that last part of your original post wasn’t there, it wouldn’t be anything. Because we all can see that he is struggling. And someone would have drawn the conclusion of comparison on their own. But we can already see a divide in the fan base about this and it’s just going to flame it.

And I was like this with JI injury posts as well. You can just tell it was going to get heated.

Video has some nice data to show, but there is nothing in it that we didn't see or know.
Paolo right now is both : mediocre at best on defense and high usage , poor efficiency offensive player.

And Franz is best Magic player. Nothing new to learn.

I'm on team "vet PG ", because it will either improve offense or give enough evidence to figure Paolo isn't that guy. Either way that's most logical step forward.

pepe1991 wrote:but there is nothing in it that we didn't see or know.

I don't agree with this

If this is true, that Paolo is and will always be an inefficient scorer then the logic follows that he just isn't a very good player to begin with. This obviously conflicts with his perception around the league and leads me back to the question: is he closer to Demarcus Cousins or KD at peak?

His stats are really not good right now. Well below average 51ts% and negative net rating. This is also unlike most other "star" players.

pepe1991 wrote:Video has some nice data to show, but there is nothing in it that we didn't see or know.
Paolo right now is both : mediocre at best on defense and high usage , poor efficiency offensive player.

And Franz is best Magic player. Nothing new to learn.

I'm on team "vet PG ", because it will either improve offense or give enough evidence to figure Paolo isn't that guy. Either way that's most logical step forward.

Yup perfect take.

One thing I want to add is Franz was also underrated last year and Paolo was probably overrated (while having huge upside which he still does BTW). But basically comes down to Paolo looking cooler when he scores with the midrange AKA having a "bag". Some people acted like Franz was disappointing last year because his 3 point shot sucked, but he still was a much more efficient scorer than Paolo despite that. I like and believe in both and want it to work. But as you said if they add a point guard and Paolo doesn't improve next year then there will start being legitimate questions about longterm fit together.

I happen to believe he is going to improve regardless (and if they do add a PG/Shooting people will wrongly soley attribute it to that), but I do hope they make the additions they need as well.

The guy in the video hit on one of the biggest issues that explains a lot of the Paolo's troubles at the very end. He said Orlando is one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in history. Nobody is making 3s for Orlando and every defense knows it. They leave guys open on the perimeter and pack the paint to double Paolo and force us into bad shots. Paolo isn't getting much help. His game wants to be about getting into the paint and drawing fouls. He could help himself out by hitting free throws. Teams take away what he wants to do because they know his teammates aren't going to hit 3s.

Franz is a special case. He used his Eurostep and craftiness to get in the paint and has an outstanding touch with the ball off the glass. Where as Paolo uses his size and athleticism to go hard to the rim.

Paolo and Franz are fine. In fact they are on pace to have the most impactful first 4 years in magic blue outside of shaq, tmac and penny. Maybe Dwight too.

We still need a floor general to set up the offense and we still need guys to hit 3s. Get Paolo and Franz some help and they will be contenders

I genuinely like Paolo and Franz and enjoy watching them, hell they have made Magic basketball FUN again. But being a Magic fan doesn’t mean I stay blind or quiet to the problems I’m seeing. Paolo was healthy last season the data provided includes last season and this season.

Right now the data is saying this team is and has been better with Franz on the court without Paolo. We all seen that this season when Paolo went down, this team won more games without him than with him. I want it to be wrong but when you watch the games and you watch Paolo you know if you’re honest with yourself those numbers aren’t wrong.

So what you are saying is addition by subtraction, trade him for a pack of crisps?

In all seriousness, massive overreaction. Nothing we didn't already know about their games, but also it's not news that they are both still young, and both have had an injury impacted season.

As mentioned in this thread, anyone can make a youtube video and choose what data they speak to.

All this veteran PG to set up people is crap. PG is a duying positions, how many team actually have true PG on a roster nowdays? Is Holiday a PG for the Celtics wgo sets up everything? SGH is a PG for the OKC?
Its about GUARDS with handles and ability to drive on people. Paolo and Franz will be high usage, playmaking forwards regardess, thats just how they play. Our guard rotation needs an upgrade, not a magical flour general PG. At least we need Suggs back, he is some capable guard who we have.

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Paolo will always be bad analytically, but he is the player you need as a go-to guy. Because he can score anywhere on the floor.

msmoore66 wrote:So what you are saying is addition by subtraction, trade him for a pack of crisps?

In all seriousness, massive overreaction. Nothing we didn't already know about their games, but also it's not news that they are both still young, and both have had an injury impacted season.

As mentioned in this thread, anyone can make a youtube video and choose what data they speak to.

Lol can tell you only read comments instead of listening to the linked content