It's time to move on from Mosley

[fateis007]

He is a good man, a good leader, and has done his job. He is instilled some great principles and character in this team and coached a great defensive club. He also dealt with a ton of injuries this year. But I personally think it's time to move on and put a more experienced coach at the helm, while our 2 superstars are entering their primes.

I know some of you can’t — or won’t — put any blame on him. But let’s take off the homer glasses for a moment and just look at the facts.

His record as head coach is 144–184. That alone raises questions, but the offensive side of the ball is where things really fall apart. In his first and second seasons, our offensive rating ranked 29th in the league — second to last. In his third year, there was some progress as we climbed to 22nd, but this season we’ve regressed again, now sitting at 27th. That's three out of four years where we're among the worst offenses in the NBA.

When it comes to three-point shooting, we’ve been stuck at the bottom. Not once in the last four seasons have we ranked above 24th in either three-point percentage or makes per game. And we don’t offset that with elite ball movement — we’ve been bottom 5 in assists per game every single year during his tenure. That’s a clear sign of a stagnant, isolation-heavy offense with very little creativity.

Even if you look at efficiency, the picture doesn’t improve. Our effective field goal percentage — which adjusts for the added value of threes — has also been in the bottom 5 consistently. And it’s not like we’re getting easy buckets in transition either. We’ve ranked in the bottom 5 in fast break points per game every year, showing a lack of pace and urgency even after stops.

So no, this isn’t just about young players or “growing pains.", or that Weltman keeps depriving him of shooters. This is about a coach whose offensive system has failed year after year. There’s no identity, no shooting, no movement, and no spark. The data doesn’t lie. You can not be a playoff caliber team in the modern NBA with this type of offense and the Coach running this **** show.

Before you say it, yes Weltman's seat is getting warm (hot actually). But he does get credit in that he brought us two potential superstars. 90% of the board was lobbying for Jabari Smith and Moses Moody/Bouknight (Imagine how bad we would be then?)

[eyriq]

Voted to keep him

Case against Mosley:

1. Offensive struggles
2. Late-game management
3. Lack of playoff success

Case for Mosley:

1. Significant improvement
2. Strong defensive identity
3. Player development
4. Positive team culture
5. Coach of the year recognition
6. On contract extension

[OrlandoDream]

Im not the biggest Mosley fan but I cant see the front office firing him. Given all the injuries and up/down we had this season, finishing 41-41 is still pretty damn good. Yes he has major flaws like his timeouts, questionable rotations, not being able to get anything out of Jett, benching TDS, and especially his abysmal coaching staff.

I say keep Mosley for one more year, hire an exp offensive coordinator and see how far we get when our three best players play more then 90 minutes together in the seasons.

[basketballRob]

I say keep him for another year. He knows the developmental curve of our players.

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[DiplomaticMagic]

Im on the side of firing him, but Ill be okay with keeping him IF we get a legit lead assistant. Honestly might need to overhaul the entire assistant coaches.

[toquito]

I think we should wait for our front office to bring in offensive talent before blaming Mosley. It's been brought up that the Magic have had a bottom 10 offense for over a decade, predating Mosley. The problem has existed with various other coaches. Seems like a roster/front office problem rather than a coaching one. If I remember Weltman has been involved with us for like 8 years, so maybe it's something to do with his philosophy.

[dsg2021]

Mosely is very good in my book.

But a niche, shooting coach for players like Franz. His form looked better in his earlier seasons.

And a super high profile, offensive coordinator genius as lead assistant coach, even if we lose him to a head coaching hire later, he would still have helped the system before he left.

[thelead]

I'm indifferent (mostly but would lean towards getting Jenkins). I'd gauge how high Paolo and Franz are on him before making a move.

[VFX]

If they can’t get some better assistants on offense? Yeah, probably.

[Rainwater]

Let's see what he does when has some talent around Paolo and Franz first.

[KillMonger]

1 more year, if it's more of the same then ax him

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[cedric76]

Fire a Coach respected by everyone in this league after making this team a top 5 defensive team in this league with a roster hit by injuries

Great Move ....... NOT

[RookieStar]

Lol you guys serious?

Aside from playing with Paolo, players arpund the leagie are willing yo sign with us because of coach Mos. At least that is what is implied by all these talking heads.

Also... our offensive sets actually does work IF those passes by Paolo to the perimeter ate actually made by pur guys. Not Mos fault if our perimeter has guys shooting less than 30%

[p0peye]

There's no coach in this world that wouldn't be having offensive struggles with this roster. Mosley proved to be a good coach and we should keep him long term.

[pepe1991]

I would not fire him, guy does what he can, but with so many incapable players on offense, what he can do?
Black, KCP, Harris, Isaac, Goga, Carter. How can you make system with so many bad players ( on offense) involved? I don't trust any of them catching ball let alone making play.

We need to make changes. If changes aren't made, he can step down on his own, to save his reputation, he'll find new job soon.

If we make changes, and our offense still sucks, we can always fire him mid season.

[SOUL]

I would not fire him, guy does what he can, but with so many incapable players on offense, what he can do?
Black, KCP, Harris, Isaac, Goga, Carter. How can you make system with so many bad players ( on offense) involved? I don't trust any of them catching ball let alone making play.

We need to make changes. If changes aren't made, he can step down on his own, to save his reputation, he'll find new job soon.

If we make changes, and our offense still sucks, we can always fire him mid season.

So many easy things to do if ppl want to have "different" offense:

1. Front office do something challenge
2. Hire offensive assistants
3. Once guards/shooters are acquired to help, overhaul offensive system a bit and give fresh sets/schemes

Otherwise, firing coach without front office going too would be an absolute joke. That's why I defend Mose because some people often speak as if the personnel aren't the problem. If you want to start fresh, fine, but scapegoating coach that is well respected by other coaches and players and kept you afloat and competitive with a young roster that had barely any changes because you refused to do anything is

[Skybox]

Lol you guys serious?

Aside from playing with Paolo, players arpund the leagie are willing yo sign with us because of coach Mos. At least that is what is implied by all these talking heads.

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I like Mose and don’t see him being fired unless he goes out with Weltman in a big sweep (unlikely). I think he’s a great defensive coach and I do see the respect & friendships he apparently has with players around the league. But is he just a really cool guy that connects well with players or is he a GOOD COACH?


Last summer we had ALL the cap space, PB to the All-Star game AND Mose…where were all those guys? Whenever a significant player lists his “preferred” teams list in a trade demand, ORL hasn’t come up…our only UFA was given a 50% raise that his team wouldn’t touch. I get that the core is young, but you’d still think Mose would recruit like Coach Calipari. Mose also has to share in the blame for this offense & personnel…he was hired to implement this odd, twin 6’10 Point Forward thing, and certainly must believe in it, but he and Weltman had to have developed it together…I’d love to learn that Mose was so grateful to get the gig that he was agreeable to implementing Weltman’s philosophy but, given the real authority, he’d do it differently. I’d especially love to hear that right after the new GM is introduced and announces they’re keeping Mose

I’m rooting for Mose the way I’ve rooted for Cole…seems like a great guy but not a lot of evidence that they’re capable.

[tiderulz]

He is a good man, a good leader, and has done his job. He is instilled some great principles and character in this team and coached a great defensive club. He also dealt with a ton of injuries this year. But I personally think it's time to move on and put a more experienced coach at the helm, while our 2 superstars are entering their primes.

I know some of you can’t — or won’t — put any blame on him. But let’s take off the homer glasses for a moment and just look at the facts.

His record as head coach is 144–184. That alone raises questions, but the offensive side of the ball is where things really fall apart. In his first and second seasons, our offensive rating ranked 29th in the league — second to last. In his third year, there was some progress as we climbed to 22nd, but this season we’ve regressed again, now sitting at 27th. That's three out of four years where we're among the worst offenses in the NBA.

When it comes to three-point shooting, we’ve been stuck at the bottom. Not once in the last four seasons have we ranked above 24th in either three-point percentage or makes per game. And we don’t offset that with elite ball movement — we’ve been bottom 5 in assists per game every single year during his tenure. That’s a clear sign of a stagnant, isolation-heavy offense with very little creativity.

Even if you look at efficiency, the picture doesn’t improve. Our effective field goal percentage — which adjusts for the added value of threes — has also been in the bottom 5 consistently. And it’s not like we’re getting easy buckets in transition either. We’ve ranked in the bottom 5 in fast break points per game every year, showing a lack of pace and urgency even after stops.

So no, this isn’t just about young players or “growing pains.", or that Weltman keeps depriving him of shooters. This is about a coach whose offensive system has failed year after year. There’s no identity, no shooting, no movement, and no spark. The data doesn’t lie. You can not be a playoff caliber team in the modern NBA with this type of offense and the Coach running this **** show.

Before you say it, yes Weltman's seat is getting warm (hot actually). But he does get credit in that he brought us two potential superstars. 90% of the board was lobbying for Jabari Smith and Moses Moody/Bouknight (Imagine how bad we would be then?)

he took over a lottery team. of course the record is going to be bad, it was a bad team. He had never been a head coach, so we knew there would be some growing pains. he has increased wins every year (except this year which dealt with major injuries all year) and made the playoffs the past 2 years. as for identity, his is defense not offense. plenty of coaches have won like that.

Do you want to bring in Dantoni? score 130 pts a game and lose and not make the playoffs? Weltman's seat much hotter than Mosley.

[tiderulz]

Lol you guys serious?

Aside from playing with Paolo, players arpund the leagie are willing yo sign with us because of coach Mos. At least that is what is implied by all these talking heads.

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I like Mose and don’t see him being fired unless he goes out with Weltman in a big sweep (unlikely). I think he’s a great defensive coach and I do see the respect & friendships he apparently has with players around the league. But is he just a really cool guy that connects well with players or is he a GOOD COACH?


Last summer we had ALL the cap space, PB to the All-Star game AND Mose…where were all those guys? Whenever a significant player lists his “preferred” teams list in a trade demand, ORL hasn’t come up…our only UFA was given a 50% raise that his team wouldn’t touch. I get that the core is young, but you’d still think Mose would recruit like Coach Calipari. Mose also has to share in the blame for this offense & personnel…he was hired to implement this odd, twin 6’10 Point Forward thing, and certainly must believe in it, but he and Weltman had to have developed it together…I’d love to learn that Mose was so grateful to get the gig that he was agreeable to implementing Weltman’s philosophy but, given the real authority, he’d do it differently. I’d especially love to hear that right after the new GM is introduced and announces they’re keeping Mose

I’m rooting for Mose the way I’ve rooted for Cole…seems like a great guy but not a lot of evidence that they’re capable.

because we havent been winning in the playoffs. star players are getting paid, they want to go someplace to win also. And also, Paolo was in his 2nd year. a "significant player" isnt quick to run to a player who has been in the league for just 5 minutes. Ant Edwards is talked about as a face of the league, but i havent seen a free agent run to him or Minnesota mentioned. Who is running to Giannis? Even Boston, I dont remember Jrue publicly stating he wanted to go to Boston. There is this common theme that players always team up somewhere, but it doesnt really happen that often and when it does, those players usually know each other very well. And again, Mosley (a first time head coach) has gotten the entire team to buy in and defend, recognized as a top defensive team in the league. He has improved every year in wins until this year (with massive injuries. if somewhat more healthy, i think we would have improved win total again). yes, we all recognize the offensive problems, but very rare are the coaches that are elite in both offensive and defensive coaching.

[Skybox]

Lol you guys serious?

Aside from playing with Paolo, players arpund the leagie are willing yo sign with us because of coach Mos. At least that is what is implied by all these talking heads.

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I like Mose and don’t see him being fired unless he goes out with Weltman in a big sweep (unlikely). I think he’s a great defensive coach and I do see the respect & friendships he apparently has with players around the league. But is he just a really cool guy that connects well with players or is he a GOOD COACH?


Last summer we had ALL the cap space, PB to the All-Star game AND Mose…where were all those guys? Whenever a significant player lists his “preferred” teams list in a trade demand, ORL hasn’t come up…our only UFA was given a 50% raise that his team wouldn’t touch. I get that the core is young, but you’d still think Mose would recruit like Coach Calipari. Mose also has to share in the blame for this offense & personnel…he was hired to implement this odd, twin 6’10 Point Forward thing, and certainly must believe in it, but he and Weltman had to have developed it together…I’d love to learn that Mose was so grateful to get the gig that he was agreeable to implementing Weltman’s philosophy but, given the real authority, he’d do it differently. I’d especially love to hear that right after the new GM is introduced and announces they’re keeping Mose

I’m rooting for Mose the way I’ve rooted for Cole…seems like a great guy but not a lot of evidence that they’re capable.

because we havent been winning in the playoffs. star players are getting paid, they want to go someplace to win also. And also, Paolo was in his 2nd year. a "significant player" isnt quick to run to a player who has been in the league for just 5 minutes. but again, Mosley (a first time head coach) has gotten the entire team to buy in and defend, recognized as a top defensive team in the league. He has improved every year in wins until this year (with massive injuries. if somewhat more healthy, i think we would have improved win total again). yes, we all recognize the offensive problems, but very rare are the coaches that are elite in both offensive and defensive coaching.

and, to a lesser extent, or maybe greater...elite in being a coach that "Players want to play for" (recruiter & retainer of own players)