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Got into a debate with a friend, so I'm just curious. Would you want Orlando to somehow acquire D'Angelo Russell, either through trade or free agency?

Biggest problem with Russell for me next to his BBIQ, is that he is another guard who got trouble driving vs. halfcourt defenses.

I think DLo has a stigma like Kyrie did before he went to Dallas. A long payoff run would revamp his image. The same with Poole. The only difference is DLo might only cost around $15m next season.

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No.

His efficiency has dropped off a lot. He has played for 3+ teams in 3 seasons.
I think his skillset makes sense for what Orlando lacks, but there is absolutely a reason why teams pass him around.

VFX wrote:No.

His efficiency has dropped off a lot. He has played for 3+ teams in 3 seasons.
I think his skillset makes sense for what Orlando lacks, but there is absolutely a reason why teams pass him around.

In his 4 seasons before last season, he shot 39%, 40%, 41%, and 42% from 3. His EFG was 57%, 57%, 59%, and 56%.

Last season was likely an anomaly. He would also cost us less.

DLo and Brook Lopez in. Cole, Jett, and Goga out would be a success.

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As the primary move? No.

As a backup on a cheap 1 year deal to come off the bench? Absolutely. Down shooting year means maybe law of averages will happen and he will be back to shooting 40% from 3. If he shoots near 40% from 3 (even like 35+% would be huge off our bench) like he did the previous 4 seasons he is nearly the same player as Sexton and Simons, but that is a whole different debate lol. These guys are best suited as bench offense that you maybe can't rely on in the playoffs, except he will actually go for that kind of price salary wise.

For me he can be had on the cheap without giving up assets and contribute a lot for this team. I think he has a bad rep for no reason. His peers love him and he was well liked in Minnesota for awhile.

I know people are dreaming about Trae or Simons but I love AB and I think he's part of our future core. I want someone who still gives AB opportunity to grow into what he can become. I think 14/6/6/2stl/1blk - all defensive 2nd team kind of player. He needs 25-30min per game next year. DR fits the bill for me.

basketballRob wrote:I think DLo has a stigma like Kyrie did before he went to Dallas. A long payoff run would revamp his image. The same with Poole. The only difference is DLo might only cost around $15m next season.

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Shocker you are a DLo truether too?

Idiosyncratic wrote:As the primary move? No.

As a backup on a cheap 1 year deal to come off the bench? Absolutely. Down shooting year means maybe law of averages will happen and he will be back to shooting 40% from 3. If he shoots near 40% from 3 (even like 35+% would be huge off our bench) like he did the previous 4 seasons he is nearly the same player as Sexton and Simons, but that is a whole different debate lol. These guys are best suited as bench offense that you maybe can't rely on in the playoffs, except he will actually go for that kind of price salary wise.

There you go...I don't know that I'd welcome handing him the keys but if he could be obtained for very little, with very little long-term commitment...he might be a huge factor. Take the Cole role off the bench and inject it with Nitrous.

Tremendously skilled player. plenty of questions too.

Dlo has never been a plus net points per 100 player. He has had a few seasons > 1.0 on offense, though. He's also a primary playmaker, consistently > 30% assist rate. Interesting option off the bench if we promote AB.

eyriq wrote:Dlo has never been a plus net points per 100 player. He has had a few seasons > 1.0 on offense, though. He's also a primary playmaker, consistently > 30% assist rate. Interesting option off the bench if we promote AB.

I know you are on the same page as me... whoever doesnt stunt AB's growth. Clearly AB isnt there offensively YET. No doubt he's gonna crush this summer and come back a 35%+ 3pt shooter who is creating more of his own shots and going to the foul line more. Defensively hes going to rival Suggs. Absolute Menace. DR would be a nice addition and upgrade over Cole.

mattdelray1220 wrote:

eyriq wrote:Dlo has never been a plus net points per 100 player. He has had a few seasons > 1.0 on offense, though. He's also a primary playmaker, consistently > 30% assist rate. Interesting option off the bench if we promote AB.

I know you are on the same page as me... whoever doesnt stunt AB's growth. Clearly AB isnt there offensively YET. No doubt he's gonna crush this summer and come back a 35%+ 3pt shooter who is creating more of his own shots and going to the foul line more. Defensively hes going to rival Suggs. Absolute Menace. DR would be a nice addition and upgrade over Cole.

Nailed it!

eyriq wrote:

mattdelray1220 wrote:

eyriq wrote:Dlo has never been a plus net points per 100 player. He has had a few seasons > 1.0 on offense, though. He's also a primary playmaker, consistently > 30% assist rate. Interesting option off the bench if we promote AB.

I know you are on the same page as me... whoever doesnt stunt AB's growth. Clearly AB isnt there offensively YET. No doubt he's gonna crush this summer and come back a 35%+ 3pt shooter who is creating more of his own shots and going to the foul line more. Defensively hes going to rival Suggs. Absolute Menace. DR would be a nice addition and upgrade over Cole.

Nailed it!

Although if a package was put together with AB KCP JI for trae - I would be intrigued and if they decided to go all in and surround that core with veterans and guys on rookie deals I wouldnt be mad. I dont think they are going to do this though.

Depends, but it's the type of players we need on this team to fill spots that we're not getting much from or we need to take chances on. People turning their nose up on guys like Beasley (few years of bad shooting/passed around teams) or Tobias Harris (clowned mercilessly on the Sixers), but they really helped Detroit last year.

I think most fans really underrate players who aren't consistent/struggle from year to year but have shown competency as a solid vet during certain stops. It all depends on the teams surrounding them and their role.

SOUL wrote:Depends, but it's the type of players we need on this team to fill spots that we're not getting much from or we need to take chances on. People turning their nose up on guys like Beasley (few years of bad shooting/passed around teams) or Tobias Harris (clowned mercilessly on the Sixers), but they really helped Detroit last year.

I think most fans really underrate players who aren't consistent/struggle from year to year but have shown competency as a solid vet during certain stops. It all depends on the teams surrounding them and their role.

Who didn’t want Beasley?

Tobias got 26 million per year. Good luck with that. We did add KCP.

RichCollab wrote:Who didn’t want Beasley?

Tobias got 26 million per year. Good luck with that. We did add KCP.

A bunch of fans, a bunch of teams. There's a reason he has a 1 year/$6 million dollar contract and signed 2 weeks after free agency started.

You're kinda making my point lol. Good seasons make people forget that the previous years were unceremonious in Utah/LA where he shot 39/35 and didn't really have a role. You can look at a guy like Bruce Brown who is kinda in the mold now - highly valued player on Denver (whether Jokic-effect or not), and floating ever since, but could be really good in the right system again.

Tobias I'm saying simply as a role-player archetype people may not want on their team - they come in all sorts of contracts.

Absolutely not.

How many more examples are needed to prove that he’s not a winning player?

mattdelray1220 wrote:For me he can be had on the cheap without giving up assets and contribute a lot for this team. I think he has a bad rep for no reason. His peers love him and he was well liked in Minnesota for awhile.

I know people are dreaming about Trae or Simons but I love AB and I think he's part of our future core. I want someone who still gives AB opportunity to grow into what he can become. I think 14/6/6/2stl/1blk - all defensive 2nd team kind of player. He needs 25-30min per game next year. DR fits the bill for me.

he has reasons. but as a bench guy, he could be okay.

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SOUL wrote:

RichCollab wrote:Who didn’t want Beasley?

Tobias got 26 million per year. Good luck with that. We did add KCP.

A bunch of fans, a bunch of teams. There's a reason he has a 1 year/$6 million dollar contract and signed 2 weeks after free agency started.

You're kinda making my point lol. Good seasons make people forget that the previous years were unceremonious in Utah/LA where he shot 39/35 and didn't really have a role. You can look at a guy like Bruce Brown who is kinda in the mold now - highly valued player on Denver (whether Jokic-effect or not), and floating ever since, but could be really good in the right system again.

Tobias I'm saying simply as a role-player archetype people may not want on their team - they come in all sorts of contracts.

yeah. i remember a few of us throwing his name out for here and people crapped on the idea