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Paolo Banchero — Year-over-Year Growth (2024 → 2025)
Grade: B+
Paolo made meaningful strides from Year 2 to Year 3, increasing his usage and efficiency while improving rim pressure (FTr .397 → .423) and trimming his turnovers.
His OBPM (+2.1) and BPM (+2.2) gains reflect real offensive growth, and despite fewer games, he looked more like a foundational engine than ever before.
Franz Wagner — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: A−
Franz took on significantly more offensive responsibility (USG% 25.7 → 31.0, AST% 18.8 → 26.6) and held up impressively, posting career highs in playmaking and overall impact (BPM 1.2 → 3.1).]
While his scoring efficiency dipped slightly under the heavier load, the leap in OBPM (+1.7), assists, and PPI (+0.89) point to a developing star who proved he can shoulder primary creation duties when needed.
Jalen Suggs — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: C+
Suggs stepped into a larger offensive role (USG% 19.7 → 27.5, AST% 15.0 → 21.6) but struggled with efficiency and ball control under the added pressure—his TS% dropped sharply (.602 → .536) and turnovers spiked (+1.1 per game).
Despite solid defensive consistency and improved free throw shooting, the decline in overall impact (BPM 1.0 → 0.4, WS/48 .112 → .052) reflects a player still adjusting to the demands of higher usage.
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: C
KCP remained durable and efficient in a low-usage role, but his offensive efficiency and shooting took a step back (TS% .602 → .574, 3P% .406 → .342), and his playmaking dropped off with fewer assists and a lower AST%.]
His defense held steady and he stayed mistake-free, but the dip in overall impact (PPI 1.81 → 1.10, BPM –1.4 both seasons) reflects a solid vet settling into marginal returns in Year 11.
Wendell Carter Jr. — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: C−
While Wendell stayed healthy and slightly boosted his playmaking (AST 1.7 → 2.0), his scoring efficiency dropped sharply (TS% .623 → .544), mostly due to a significant decline from deep (3P% .374 → .234).
Despite small gains in rebounding and defense, the dip in offensive impact (OBPM 0.5 → –2.2) and PER (15.9 → 13.7) signals regression in key areas that undercut his overall value.
Anthony Black — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: B
Black made a clear leap in role and responsibility, nearly doubling his assists (1.3 → 3.1), increasing usage (USG% 12.7 → 19.6), and holding his turnover rate steady while playing over 1,800 minutes as a full-time rotation guard.
Though his efficiency regressed (TS% .560 → .521), the jump in PPI (+2.03), PER (+3.2), and defensive BPM (+0.4) reflect a young guard taking on a tougher load without getting overwhelmed—a strong Year 2 foundation for further growth.
Moritz Wagner — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: B−
Mo maintained his scoring punch with a big usage bump (USG% 22.8 → 26.8) and increased his playmaking (AST% 11.2 → 13.7), while remaining an ultra-efficient finisher in limited minutes.
The defensive metrics spiked (BPM +2.0 → +4.0), but the small sample (30 games) and drop in free throw rate and turnover control make this a step forward with some noise—still, he delivered real bench value in his minutes.
Jonathan Isaac — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: C−
Isaac remained a defensive presence (BLK 1.2 → 1.1, STL 0.7 → 0.9), but his offensive efficiency fell off sharply—TS% dropped from .610 to .512 and his shooting cratered from deep (3P% .375 → .258).
While his availability improved and defense stayed solid, the regression in scoring and spacing significantly limited his overall impact, especially in a low-minute role.
Goga Bitadze — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: A−
Goga took on a larger role in Year 2, improving across the board—more minutes, better playmaking (AST 1.3 → 2.0), rebounding (4.6 → 6.6), and scoring volume—all while maintaining elite efficiency (TS% .629 → .631) and strong rim protection (DBPM 2.8 both years).
The leap in PPI (+1.52), PER (+1.4), and On-Off (+6.1) reflects a highly productive rotation big who capitalized on opportunity and became a clear net positive in his role.
Cole Anthony — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: C−
Cole saw a reduced role in 2025 (–4 MPG, fewer games) with little change in his core production, and while his AST% rose (19.8 → 25.5), his overall offensive efficiency slipped slightly (TS% .545 → .531) with no improvement in impact metrics (BPM flat at 0.1).
The drop in PPI (–1.26) and On-Off (+0.3 → –2.2) reflects a rotational guard whose value stagnated, with his per-minute output failing to offset a diminished role.
Caleb Houstan — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: B−
Houstan quietly improved his shooting across the board (TS% .582 → .605, 3P% .373 → .400, FT% .808 → .882) while maintaining a low-usage, low-mistake profile in similar minutes.
His defensive metrics remain limited and his overall impact is marginal, but the continued shooting growth suggests he’s carving out value as a reliable floor spacer in limited bench minutes.
Gary Harris — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: D
Harris saw a steep decline in role and production—minutes dropped nearly 40%, and his scoring efficiency cratered (TS% .587 → .524, FT% .756 → .583), limiting his value as a floor spacer.
While his defensive positioning remains solid, the drop in PPI (–1.76), PER (9.4 → 6.9), and impact metrics signals a veteran in sharp decline struggling to hold a meaningful rotation spot.
Jett Howard — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: C−
Jett played real minutes in 2025 (11.7 MPG over 60 games) and showed slight improvement in ball control and playmaking, but continued struggles with efficiency (TS% .491, 3P% .296) and overall impact (BPM –5.3) limited his usefulness.
The step from deep bench to fringe rotation is progress, but without a reliable shot or defensive presence, he remains far from contributing real value.
Cory Joseph — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: B
Joseph carved out a consistent role in Orlando as a steady veteran presence, improving his shooting splits across the board (TS% .470 → .547, 3P% .310 → .364) while cutting turnovers and posting a positive On-Off (+3.1).
While his BPM remained negative, the lift in efficiency, control, and net impact (PPI –2.65 → –1.46) marked a strong bounce-back year in a limited but valuable role.
Trevelin Queen — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: B−
Queen earned more consistent minutes in 2025 and showed modest improvements in scoring volume, efficiency (TS% .462 → .486), and defensive metrics (DBPM 1.4 → 2.3), while reducing his turnover rate.
Despite a still-inefficient offensive profile and rough On-Off numbers (–11.8), the overall leap in PER (+3.6) and PPI (+0.82) reflects a fringe contributor beginning to stabilize at the NBA level.
Grade: B+
Paolo made meaningful strides from Year 2 to Year 3, increasing his usage and efficiency while improving rim pressure (FTr .397 → .423) and trimming his turnovers.
His OBPM (+2.1) and BPM (+2.2) gains reflect real offensive growth, and despite fewer games, he looked more like a foundational engine than ever before.
Franz Wagner — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: A−
Franz took on significantly more offensive responsibility (USG% 25.7 → 31.0, AST% 18.8 → 26.6) and held up impressively, posting career highs in playmaking and overall impact (BPM 1.2 → 3.1).]
While his scoring efficiency dipped slightly under the heavier load, the leap in OBPM (+1.7), assists, and PPI (+0.89) point to a developing star who proved he can shoulder primary creation duties when needed.
Jalen Suggs — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: C+
Suggs stepped into a larger offensive role (USG% 19.7 → 27.5, AST% 15.0 → 21.6) but struggled with efficiency and ball control under the added pressure—his TS% dropped sharply (.602 → .536) and turnovers spiked (+1.1 per game).
Despite solid defensive consistency and improved free throw shooting, the decline in overall impact (BPM 1.0 → 0.4, WS/48 .112 → .052) reflects a player still adjusting to the demands of higher usage.
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: C
KCP remained durable and efficient in a low-usage role, but his offensive efficiency and shooting took a step back (TS% .602 → .574, 3P% .406 → .342), and his playmaking dropped off with fewer assists and a lower AST%.]
His defense held steady and he stayed mistake-free, but the dip in overall impact (PPI 1.81 → 1.10, BPM –1.4 both seasons) reflects a solid vet settling into marginal returns in Year 11.
Wendell Carter Jr. — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: C−
While Wendell stayed healthy and slightly boosted his playmaking (AST 1.7 → 2.0), his scoring efficiency dropped sharply (TS% .623 → .544), mostly due to a significant decline from deep (3P% .374 → .234).
Despite small gains in rebounding and defense, the dip in offensive impact (OBPM 0.5 → –2.2) and PER (15.9 → 13.7) signals regression in key areas that undercut his overall value.
Anthony Black — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: B
Black made a clear leap in role and responsibility, nearly doubling his assists (1.3 → 3.1), increasing usage (USG% 12.7 → 19.6), and holding his turnover rate steady while playing over 1,800 minutes as a full-time rotation guard.
Though his efficiency regressed (TS% .560 → .521), the jump in PPI (+2.03), PER (+3.2), and defensive BPM (+0.4) reflect a young guard taking on a tougher load without getting overwhelmed—a strong Year 2 foundation for further growth.
Moritz Wagner — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: B−
Mo maintained his scoring punch with a big usage bump (USG% 22.8 → 26.8) and increased his playmaking (AST% 11.2 → 13.7), while remaining an ultra-efficient finisher in limited minutes.
The defensive metrics spiked (BPM +2.0 → +4.0), but the small sample (30 games) and drop in free throw rate and turnover control make this a step forward with some noise—still, he delivered real bench value in his minutes.
Jonathan Isaac — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: C−
Isaac remained a defensive presence (BLK 1.2 → 1.1, STL 0.7 → 0.9), but his offensive efficiency fell off sharply—TS% dropped from .610 to .512 and his shooting cratered from deep (3P% .375 → .258).
While his availability improved and defense stayed solid, the regression in scoring and spacing significantly limited his overall impact, especially in a low-minute role.
Goga Bitadze — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: A−
Goga took on a larger role in Year 2, improving across the board—more minutes, better playmaking (AST 1.3 → 2.0), rebounding (4.6 → 6.6), and scoring volume—all while maintaining elite efficiency (TS% .629 → .631) and strong rim protection (DBPM 2.8 both years).
The leap in PPI (+1.52), PER (+1.4), and On-Off (+6.1) reflects a highly productive rotation big who capitalized on opportunity and became a clear net positive in his role.
Cole Anthony — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: C−
Cole saw a reduced role in 2025 (–4 MPG, fewer games) with little change in his core production, and while his AST% rose (19.8 → 25.5), his overall offensive efficiency slipped slightly (TS% .545 → .531) with no improvement in impact metrics (BPM flat at 0.1).
The drop in PPI (–1.26) and On-Off (+0.3 → –2.2) reflects a rotational guard whose value stagnated, with his per-minute output failing to offset a diminished role.
Caleb Houstan — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: B−
Houstan quietly improved his shooting across the board (TS% .582 → .605, 3P% .373 → .400, FT% .808 → .882) while maintaining a low-usage, low-mistake profile in similar minutes.
His defensive metrics remain limited and his overall impact is marginal, but the continued shooting growth suggests he’s carving out value as a reliable floor spacer in limited bench minutes.
Gary Harris — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: D
Harris saw a steep decline in role and production—minutes dropped nearly 40%, and his scoring efficiency cratered (TS% .587 → .524, FT% .756 → .583), limiting his value as a floor spacer.
While his defensive positioning remains solid, the drop in PPI (–1.76), PER (9.4 → 6.9), and impact metrics signals a veteran in sharp decline struggling to hold a meaningful rotation spot.
Jett Howard — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: C−
Jett played real minutes in 2025 (11.7 MPG over 60 games) and showed slight improvement in ball control and playmaking, but continued struggles with efficiency (TS% .491, 3P% .296) and overall impact (BPM –5.3) limited his usefulness.
The step from deep bench to fringe rotation is progress, but without a reliable shot or defensive presence, he remains far from contributing real value.
Cory Joseph — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: B
Joseph carved out a consistent role in Orlando as a steady veteran presence, improving his shooting splits across the board (TS% .470 → .547, 3P% .310 → .364) while cutting turnovers and posting a positive On-Off (+3.1).
While his BPM remained negative, the lift in efficiency, control, and net impact (PPI –2.65 → –1.46) marked a strong bounce-back year in a limited but valuable role.
Trevelin Queen — Year-over-Year Growth (2023–24 → 2024–25)
Grade: B−
Queen earned more consistent minutes in 2025 and showed modest improvements in scoring volume, efficiency (TS% .462 → .486), and defensive metrics (DBPM 1.4 → 2.3), while reducing his turnover rate.
Despite a still-inefficient offensive profile and rough On-Off numbers (–11.8), the overall leap in PER (+3.6) and PPI (+0.82) reflects a fringe contributor beginning to stabilize at the NBA level.
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Paolo and Franz-B
Goga, TDS, and Black-C
Everyone else Ds and Fs
Suggs/Mo-N/A
The offensive struggles was too much for this team. That’s why everyone got such a low grade.
Goga, TDS, and Black-C
Everyone else Ds and Fs
Suggs/Mo-N/A
The offensive struggles was too much for this team. That’s why everyone got such a low grade.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.-John 3:16
Go Magic, Go Dwight, Go Vuc, Go Paolo, Go Keegan
Go Magic, Go Dwight, Go Vuc, Go Paolo, Go Keegan

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ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:Paolo and Franz-B
Goga, TDS, and Black-C
Everyone else Ds and Fs
Suggs/Mo-N/A
The offensive struggles was too much for this team. That’s why everyone got such a low grade.
"Worst three-point shooting team over last 12 years" does not lead to positive grades. My vote is similar to this. (I would have da SIlva in the D-F group. And Joseph up to the C group; but whatever. ).
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Eyriq did a great job and should be promoted to Analytics member for some websites. The only detraction would be that I do think Suggs did a better job than noted due to his role changing because of injuries. He was fantastic at times and his defense helped lead the Magic into a better record in the early part of the season. Suggs will prove you wrong!!!

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I feel like this year's Magic team was "the best of times and the worst of times". Some players showed out while others completely faceplanted. As such, my scores are more varied than Eyriq.
My personal grades:
Paolo Banchero
Grade: A-
Paolo came back from a major injury and continued to improve as the season went along. I bump this score up due to how good he has proven to be in the playoffs the past two years. He showed that precious "clutch" gene franchises are all looking for. His defense needs some help, but it's hard to carry a team like he did and have much energy left to expend on the other side of the floor. He's no Julius Randle on defense or anything, but it's one area he could improve.
Franz Wagner
Grade: A
Another major injury, another triumphant return. Franz gets high marks due to the alpha status he displayed when Paolo went down. Even the most steadfast Franz supporters were shocked at how good he was leading this team. While the shot isn't completely there, the future is still tantalizing. It's safe to say he earned his contract and made a lot of people who criticized it look foolish.
Jalen Suggs
Grade: B
Suggs was good in many games. His style of play still lead to difficulty staying healthy and too many "fans collectively holding their breath" moments of him looking like he had a season-ending injury. It's sad we didn't get to see him in the playoffs. Whether he is on this team or not long term seems to be a current debate (I think he gets traded before the end of his deal). While he is on the team his hustle makes him a fan favorite.
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Grade: D
KCP was almost considered an automatic miss when he shot throughout much of the regular season. It was painful. A huge surge at the end helped his numbers, but there is no one who could comfortably say this free agent move didn't backfire (unless it was a choice between KCP or Paul George as the free agent pick, then okay avoiding THAT was a win). His defense was great, and the Magic are praying this past season was an outlier as opposed to a sign of a vet in decline.
Wendell Carter Jr.
Grade: D
Wendell had a rough season, and officially went from a player that had some promise to one that the franchise and fans were ready to move on from. He showed up for the playoffs for the second year in a row, which actually helped this score, but the bottom line is the team has to look to upgrade this spot in the starting lineup.
Anthony Black
Grade: B+
Judging Anthony Black is not as easy as taking it at face value. Point guards traditionally don't do much until year 3, and from that perspective Black showed huge amounts of growth and promise in year 2. Unfortunately, one spot AB didn't shine was in a role as a traditional point guard. The team seems to be figuring out on the fly exactly how AB fits in, and until he solidifies his game it's going to be a guessing game how to construct a roster around him. This upcoming year could be huge for him if he takes another proportional leap. The fact he was the third scorer with Suggs and Mo out was encouraging.
Moritz Wagner
Grade: A
Mo had his best season as a pro before his season was cut short and was a strong contender for 6th man of the year. There were times where I was shocked I was watching the same player from the past few seasons. Franz's superstardom appears to have lit a fire under his brother, leading to a player whose value has blown up. Couldn't ask for anything more.
Jonathan Isaac
Grade: D-
What a shame. After such a promising season, Isaac's play fell dramatically to a terrifying degree. Most fans, including myself, were hoping last season's upward trend would continue and this year he looked completely cooked. I look for the Magic to trade his contract this offseason to help deals work.
Goga Bitadze
Grade: C
Goga had an up and down season, ending with sitting on the bench in the playoffs. While he remains a very positive prospect, something appears to have him in Mosely's doghouse more often than not. While I like the player, I could see him being moved this offseason.
Cole Anthony
Grade: D
I always have loved Cole Anthony's game, and was really hoping for a resurgence this season as the team desperately needed his offensive spark. Sadly, more often than not his play was a net negative. Except for a few games, which were so rare they actually made him cry afterwards, CA was invisible. On an offensively starved team, a primarily offensive player who can't deliver is a recipe for disaster. The team may move on, unless they find no one wants him in a deal (in which case they may roll the dice he improves).
Tristan Da Silva
Grade: B+
I'm giving TDS higher marks than most. Here's why. He was FANTASTIC when the team was injured, and shouldered much of the scoring load early as a rookie. That's an incredibly tough task on a player learning the speed of the NBA. You can argue it took everything out of him, because when others returned he hit the rookie wall HARD. I personally think rookie seasons are less about consistent play and more about showing flashes of brilliance. For that reason, I think TDS had a spectacular season and I'd be hesitant to include "Tan Wagner" in any deals this offseason. His career will likely trend up and settle around the solid 15 ppg+ player we saw during that injury stretch.
Caleb Houstan
Grade: C
Houstan improved, but is still barely an NBA-level player. The team will likely hold onto him since he is cheap and see if he continues to get better, but if he plateaus this may be his last season. Let's put it this way - I never celebrate when he is put into a game.
Gary Harris
Grade: D-
The Gary Harris experiment needs to be over. It should have been over last season. I'm sure he is a nice person, but at this point he is the poster child for a team with no offense.
Jett Howard
Grade: D
I want to believe in Howard, but his play was dreadful last season. The fact he seems so far from even rotational minutes is troubling. His time may be running out (or have run out, if he is included in a trade). He needs to live in the gym this offseason, and I'm hoping his dad is helping him.
Cory Joseph
Grade: B+
CJ deserves a huge round of applause for this past season. It can be argued he single handedly saved the team's season when it was spiraling down the toilet without a true PG. People will point to him and say, "See? Any actual PG will help this team", but that belittles how good CJ actually was in key spots this year. That said, we can and must upgrade from him, but he instantly becomes one of the best 3rd PGs in the league once that happens.
Trevelin Queen
Grade: C
Queen did decent this year, but in the end he is a G-league level player on a contending team. The hope is that we round out more of the roster with talent.
My personal grades:
Paolo Banchero
Grade: A-
Paolo came back from a major injury and continued to improve as the season went along. I bump this score up due to how good he has proven to be in the playoffs the past two years. He showed that precious "clutch" gene franchises are all looking for. His defense needs some help, but it's hard to carry a team like he did and have much energy left to expend on the other side of the floor. He's no Julius Randle on defense or anything, but it's one area he could improve.
Franz Wagner
Grade: A
Another major injury, another triumphant return. Franz gets high marks due to the alpha status he displayed when Paolo went down. Even the most steadfast Franz supporters were shocked at how good he was leading this team. While the shot isn't completely there, the future is still tantalizing. It's safe to say he earned his contract and made a lot of people who criticized it look foolish.
Jalen Suggs
Grade: B
Suggs was good in many games. His style of play still lead to difficulty staying healthy and too many "fans collectively holding their breath" moments of him looking like he had a season-ending injury. It's sad we didn't get to see him in the playoffs. Whether he is on this team or not long term seems to be a current debate (I think he gets traded before the end of his deal). While he is on the team his hustle makes him a fan favorite.
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Grade: D
KCP was almost considered an automatic miss when he shot throughout much of the regular season. It was painful. A huge surge at the end helped his numbers, but there is no one who could comfortably say this free agent move didn't backfire (unless it was a choice between KCP or Paul George as the free agent pick, then okay avoiding THAT was a win). His defense was great, and the Magic are praying this past season was an outlier as opposed to a sign of a vet in decline.
Wendell Carter Jr.
Grade: D
Wendell had a rough season, and officially went from a player that had some promise to one that the franchise and fans were ready to move on from. He showed up for the playoffs for the second year in a row, which actually helped this score, but the bottom line is the team has to look to upgrade this spot in the starting lineup.
Anthony Black
Grade: B+
Judging Anthony Black is not as easy as taking it at face value. Point guards traditionally don't do much until year 3, and from that perspective Black showed huge amounts of growth and promise in year 2. Unfortunately, one spot AB didn't shine was in a role as a traditional point guard. The team seems to be figuring out on the fly exactly how AB fits in, and until he solidifies his game it's going to be a guessing game how to construct a roster around him. This upcoming year could be huge for him if he takes another proportional leap. The fact he was the third scorer with Suggs and Mo out was encouraging.
Moritz Wagner
Grade: A
Mo had his best season as a pro before his season was cut short and was a strong contender for 6th man of the year. There were times where I was shocked I was watching the same player from the past few seasons. Franz's superstardom appears to have lit a fire under his brother, leading to a player whose value has blown up. Couldn't ask for anything more.
Jonathan Isaac
Grade: D-
What a shame. After such a promising season, Isaac's play fell dramatically to a terrifying degree. Most fans, including myself, were hoping last season's upward trend would continue and this year he looked completely cooked. I look for the Magic to trade his contract this offseason to help deals work.
Goga Bitadze
Grade: C
Goga had an up and down season, ending with sitting on the bench in the playoffs. While he remains a very positive prospect, something appears to have him in Mosely's doghouse more often than not. While I like the player, I could see him being moved this offseason.
Cole Anthony
Grade: D
I always have loved Cole Anthony's game, and was really hoping for a resurgence this season as the team desperately needed his offensive spark. Sadly, more often than not his play was a net negative. Except for a few games, which were so rare they actually made him cry afterwards, CA was invisible. On an offensively starved team, a primarily offensive player who can't deliver is a recipe for disaster. The team may move on, unless they find no one wants him in a deal (in which case they may roll the dice he improves).
Tristan Da Silva
Grade: B+
I'm giving TDS higher marks than most. Here's why. He was FANTASTIC when the team was injured, and shouldered much of the scoring load early as a rookie. That's an incredibly tough task on a player learning the speed of the NBA. You can argue it took everything out of him, because when others returned he hit the rookie wall HARD. I personally think rookie seasons are less about consistent play and more about showing flashes of brilliance. For that reason, I think TDS had a spectacular season and I'd be hesitant to include "Tan Wagner" in any deals this offseason. His career will likely trend up and settle around the solid 15 ppg+ player we saw during that injury stretch.
Caleb Houstan
Grade: C
Houstan improved, but is still barely an NBA-level player. The team will likely hold onto him since he is cheap and see if he continues to get better, but if he plateaus this may be his last season. Let's put it this way - I never celebrate when he is put into a game.
Gary Harris
Grade: D-
The Gary Harris experiment needs to be over. It should have been over last season. I'm sure he is a nice person, but at this point he is the poster child for a team with no offense.
Jett Howard
Grade: D
I want to believe in Howard, but his play was dreadful last season. The fact he seems so far from even rotational minutes is troubling. His time may be running out (or have run out, if he is included in a trade). He needs to live in the gym this offseason, and I'm hoping his dad is helping him.
Cory Joseph
Grade: B+
CJ deserves a huge round of applause for this past season. It can be argued he single handedly saved the team's season when it was spiraling down the toilet without a true PG. People will point to him and say, "See? Any actual PG will help this team", but that belittles how good CJ actually was in key spots this year. That said, we can and must upgrade from him, but he instantly becomes one of the best 3rd PGs in the league once that happens.
Trevelin Queen
Grade: C
Queen did decent this year, but in the end he is a G-league level player on a contending team. The hope is that we round out more of the roster with talent.
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Paolo Banchero - Qualitative Grade: A− | YOY Grade: B+
Franz Wagner - Qualitative Grade: A | YOY Grade: A−
Jalen Suggs - Qualitative Grade: B | YOY Grade: C+
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - Qualitative Grade: D | YOY Grade: C
Wendell Carter Jr. - Qualitative Grade: D | YOY Grade: C−
Anthony Black - Qualitative Grade: B+ | YOY Grade: B
Moritz Wagner - Qualitative Grade: A | YOY Grade: B−
Jonathan Isaac - Qualitative Grade: D− | YOY Grade: C−
Goga Bitadze - Qualitative Grade: C | YOY Grade: A−
Cole Anthony - Qualitative Grade: D | YOY Grade: C−
Tristan Da Silva - Qualitative Grade: B+ | YOY Grade: N/A
Caleb Houstan - Qualitative Grade: C | YOY Grade: B−
Gary Harris - Qualitative Grade: D− | YOY Grade: D
Jett Howard - Qualitative Grade: D | YOY Grade: C−
Cory Joseph - Qualitative Grade: B+ | YOY Grade: B
Trevelin Queen - Qualitative Grade: C | YOY Grade: B−
Franz Wagner - Qualitative Grade: A | YOY Grade: A−
Jalen Suggs - Qualitative Grade: B | YOY Grade: C+
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - Qualitative Grade: D | YOY Grade: C
Wendell Carter Jr. - Qualitative Grade: D | YOY Grade: C−
Anthony Black - Qualitative Grade: B+ | YOY Grade: B
Moritz Wagner - Qualitative Grade: A | YOY Grade: B−
Jonathan Isaac - Qualitative Grade: D− | YOY Grade: C−
Goga Bitadze - Qualitative Grade: C | YOY Grade: A−
Cole Anthony - Qualitative Grade: D | YOY Grade: C−
Tristan Da Silva - Qualitative Grade: B+ | YOY Grade: N/A
Caleb Houstan - Qualitative Grade: C | YOY Grade: B−
Gary Harris - Qualitative Grade: D− | YOY Grade: D
Jett Howard - Qualitative Grade: D | YOY Grade: C−
Cory Joseph - Qualitative Grade: B+ | YOY Grade: B
Trevelin Queen - Qualitative Grade: C | YOY Grade: B−
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Banchero - B
Wagner - B
Suggs - INC
Caldwell-Pope - D
Carter - C-
Black - C+
Mo Wagner - INC
Isaac - C-
Bitazde - C
Anthony - C
Da Silva - C
Houstan - C
Harris - D
Howard - D
Joseph - C
Queen - C-
Wagner - B
Suggs - INC
Caldwell-Pope - D
Carter - C-
Black - C+
Mo Wagner - INC
Isaac - C-
Bitazde - C
Anthony - C
Da Silva - C
Houstan - C
Harris - D
Howard - D
Joseph - C
Queen - C-
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KCP: D
AB: C-
WCJ: C
Only guy I'd give an A+ to was Mo. He was really on a whole new level before going down.
KCP: D
AB: C-
WCJ: C
Only guy I'd give an A+ to was Mo. He was really on a whole new level before going down.
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Paolo - A- (injury and inconsistent play slowed him down from being an A+)
F. Wagner - A (Injury messed with his shooting form which caused him not to be an A+)
Suggs - B- (I thought he'd develop into a 3rd option but he didn't. Still a solid season from him)
Caldwell-Pope - C- (Shooting was awful for most of the season. Defense was good but his struggles were dissapointing)
Carter - C- (Real inconsistent throughout the whole season. Made it up in the Boston series)
Black - C+ (The role they attempted to elevate him towards for most of the season he was not good. The was a month or two of not good play.)
M. Wagner - A (He was so good when he was playing. Unfortunately, injury shutdown his season)
Issac - D+ (Highly disappointing season from Issac. Defense wasn't as effective and his 3-Point shooting fell off a cliff)
Anthony - B (Considering where he was the previous season he looked REALLY good. Nice to see him climb out of that hole.)
Joseph - A- (He's old... but he did about all he could to get the Magic into the playoffs in the minutes he played.)
Da Silva - B- (Very good early on... momentum was slowed due to rookie wall, and finding consistent play. Happy about his rookie campaign)
Bitadze - B- (This was difficult to grade. He was awesome before the concussion. Then in his return afterwards he was not good at all. Given his position on the team I'll give him the benefit of the doubt)
Harris - C (He wasn't good until really the end of the season. Shot was off but played great defense.)
Howard - F+ (Kid is not an NBA Player. But hopefully he turns it around next season)
Houstan - C (Very similar to Harris but offensively was able to shoot the ball well late in the season.)
F. Wagner - A (Injury messed with his shooting form which caused him not to be an A+)
Suggs - B- (I thought he'd develop into a 3rd option but he didn't. Still a solid season from him)
Caldwell-Pope - C- (Shooting was awful for most of the season. Defense was good but his struggles were dissapointing)
Carter - C- (Real inconsistent throughout the whole season. Made it up in the Boston series)
Black - C+ (The role they attempted to elevate him towards for most of the season he was not good. The was a month or two of not good play.)
M. Wagner - A (He was so good when he was playing. Unfortunately, injury shutdown his season)
Issac - D+ (Highly disappointing season from Issac. Defense wasn't as effective and his 3-Point shooting fell off a cliff)
Anthony - B (Considering where he was the previous season he looked REALLY good. Nice to see him climb out of that hole.)
Joseph - A- (He's old... but he did about all he could to get the Magic into the playoffs in the minutes he played.)
Da Silva - B- (Very good early on... momentum was slowed due to rookie wall, and finding consistent play. Happy about his rookie campaign)
Bitadze - B- (This was difficult to grade. He was awesome before the concussion. Then in his return afterwards he was not good at all. Given his position on the team I'll give him the benefit of the doubt)
Harris - C (He wasn't good until really the end of the season. Shot was off but played great defense.)
Howard - F+ (Kid is not an NBA Player. But hopefully he turns it around next season)
Houstan - C (Very similar to Harris but offensively was able to shoot the ball well late in the season.)
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Cole, TDS, and Goga were behind Black in the rotation. If anything, Black had a B, and they had a C.
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basketballRob wrote:Cole, TDS, and Goga were behind Black in the rotation. If anything, Black had a B, and they had a C.
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That's flawed though (IMO)... it's about roles and expectations.
Black was slated to be the 6th Man who was to be the the central playermaker/modest scorer leading the second unit with elite defense, playing 25-30 minutes a night.
To me at least he was terrible being a playmaker and scorer. At one point he was one of the worst offensive players in the league statistically speaking. Then they just kind of pulled the plug on that experiment in late February/early March and they just put him back in the spot up/cutting/off-ball role he had his rookie year.
Da Silva's role was expected to be a spot up shooter and create his own shot occasionally in 10-15 minutes of play. Which he was able to exceed at points of the season when players went down.
There were stretches of games where they ran the offense through him rather than Black because he was able to to handle the offensive responsibilities better than him.
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I think Cole and Moe were supposed to be the 6th and 7th men. Black had to fill that role when Cole was getting played off the floor, and Moe got injured.JF5 wrote:basketballRob wrote:Cole, TDS, and Goga were behind Black in the rotation. If anything, Black had a B, and they had a C.
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That's flawed though (IMO)... it's about roles and expectations.
Black was slated to be the 6th Man who was to be the the central playermaker/modest scorer leading the second unit with elite defense, playing 25-30 minutes a night.
To me at least he was terrible being a playmaker and scorer. At one point he was one of the worst offensive players in the league statistically speaking. Then they just kind of pulled the plug on that experiment in late February/early March and they just put him back in the spot up/cutting/off-ball role he had his rookie year.
Da Silva's role was expected to be a spot up shooter and create his own shot occasionally in 10-15 minutes of play. Which he was able to exceed at points of the season when players went down.
There were stretches of games where they ran the offense through him rather than Black because he was able to to handle the offensive responsibilities better than him.
I don't think they had a plan on a 6th man. It's just whoever played the best. Cole was 0-7 in the first game against Miami. Cole continued to have bad games at the beginning of the season.
Black ended with a -0.9 net rating, which is really good for his age
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basketballRob wrote:I think Cole and Moe were supposed to be the 6th and 7th men. Black had to fill that role when Cole was getting played off the floor, and Moe got injured.JF5 wrote:basketballRob wrote:Cole, TDS, and Goga were behind Black in the rotation. If anything, Black had a B, and they had a C.
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That's flawed though (IMO)... it's about roles and expectations.
Black was slated to be the 6th Man who was to be the the central playermaker/modest scorer leading the second unit with elite defense, playing 25-30 minutes a night.
To me at least he was terrible being a playmaker and scorer. At one point he was one of the worst offensive players in the league statistically speaking. Then they just kind of pulled the plug on that experiment in late February/early March and they just put him back in the spot up/cutting/off-ball role he had his rookie year.
Da Silva's role was expected to be a spot up shooter and create his own shot occasionally in 10-15 minutes of play. Which he was able to exceed at points of the season when players went down.
There were stretches of games where they ran the offense through him rather than Black because he was able to to handle the offensive responsibilities better than him.
I don't think they had a plan on a 6th man. It's just whoever played the best. Cole was 0-7 in the first game against Miami. Cole continued to have bad games at the beginning of the season.
Black ended with a -0.9 net rating, which is really good for his age
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I don't know about that... The way the team/front office has so much confidence and praise for Anthony Black via the media externally and also reports internally that they're very high on him. Even now they're extremely high on him and resistant to trading him.
The way I see it they're so high on him to the point if he kind of looks/looked like a starter they would move off of Jalen Suggs immediately. They really like this kid.
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Black has looked amazing. Young guards/wings his age usually take 3 years before they play winning ball. I don't think anyone in the Magic organization expected Black to be the 6th man. You said something about Black starting, but do you remember the last 20-21 year old who started on a playoff team?JF5 wrote:basketballRob wrote:I think Cole and Moe were supposed to be the 6th and 7th men. Black had to fill that role when Cole was getting played off the floor, and Moe got injured.JF5 wrote:
That's flawed though (IMO)... it's about roles and expectations.
Black was slated to be the 6th Man who was to be the the central playermaker/modest scorer leading the second unit with elite defense, playing 25-30 minutes a night.
To me at least he was terrible being a playmaker and scorer. At one point he was one of the worst offensive players in the league statistically speaking. Then they just kind of pulled the plug on that experiment in late February/early March and they just put him back in the spot up/cutting/off-ball role he had his rookie year.
Da Silva's role was expected to be a spot up shooter and create his own shot occasionally in 10-15 minutes of play. Which he was able to exceed at points of the season when players went down.
There were stretches of games where they ran the offense through him rather than Black because he was able to to handle the offensive responsibilities better than him.
I don't think they had a plan on a 6th man. It's just whoever played the best. Cole was 0-7 in the first game against Miami. Cole continued to have bad games at the beginning of the season.
Black ended with a -0.9 net rating, which is really good for his age
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I don't know about that... The way the team/front office has so much confidence and praise for Anthony Black via the media externally and also reports internally that they're very high on him. Even now they're extremely high on him and resistant to trading him.
The way I see it they're so high on him to the point if he kind of looks/looked like a starter they would move off of Jalen Suggs immediately. They really like this kid.
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basketballRob wrote:Black has looked amazing. Young guards/wings his age usually take 3 years before they play winning ball. I don't think anyone in the Magic organization expected Black to be the 6th man. You said something about Black starting, but do you remember the last 20-21 year old who started on a playoff team?JF5 wrote:basketballRob wrote:I think Cole and Moe were supposed to be the 6th and 7th men. Black had to fill that role when Cole was getting played off the floor, and Moe got injured.
I don't think they had a plan on a 6th man. It's just whoever played the best. Cole was 0-7 in the first game against Miami. Cole continued to have bad games at the beginning of the season.
Black ended with a -0.9 net rating, which is really good for his age
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I don't know about that... The way the team/front office has so much confidence and praise for Anthony Black via the media externally and also reports internally that they're very high on him. Even now they're extremely high on him and resistant to trading him.
The way I see it they're so high on him to the point if he kind of looks/looked like a starter they would move off of Jalen Suggs immediately. They really like this kid.
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"Looked Amazing" by being one of the worst offensive players in the league at one point?
We'll just agree to disagree about Black. He's a pretty good-great defensive player though.
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Every Magic player had a bad year offensively with the Magic.JF5 wrote:basketballRob wrote:Black has looked amazing. Young guards/wings his age usually take 3 years before they play winning ball. I don't think anyone in the Magic organization expected Black to be the 6th man. You said something about Black starting, but do you remember the last 20-21 year old who started on a playoff team?JF5 wrote:
I don't know about that... The way the team/front office has so much confidence and praise for Anthony Black via the media externally and also reports internally that they're very high on him. Even now they're extremely high on him and resistant to trading him.
The way I see it they're so high on him to the point if he kind of looks/looked like a starter they would move off of Jalen Suggs immediately. They really like this kid.
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"Looked Amazing" by being one of the worst offensive players in the league at one point?
We'll just agree to disagree about Black. He's a pretty good-great defensive player though.
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basketballRob wrote:Every Magic player had a bad year offensively with the Magic.JF5 wrote:basketballRob wrote:Black has looked amazing. Young guards/wings his age usually take 3 years before they play winning ball. I don't think anyone in the Magic organization expected Black to be the 6th man. You said something about Black starting, but do you remember the last 20-21 year old who started on a playoff team?
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"Looked Amazing" by being one of the worst offensive players in the league at one point?
We'll just agree to disagree about Black. He's a pretty good-great defensive player though.
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Takes a lot of BS advanced stats to punish two young guys averaging 24/26 ppg and 4.7/4.8 apg with NO help, specifically #3 & #4 options out with injuries...lumping them in with the rest is a bit of a stretch.
I like AB, but "Black has looked amazing"?

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He wasn't Magic Johnson, but I have realistic expectations.Skybox wrote:basketballRob wrote:Every Magic player had a bad year offensively with the Magic.JF5 wrote:
"Looked Amazing" by being one of the worst offensive players in the league at one point?
We'll just agree to disagree about Black. He's a pretty good-great defensive player though.
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Takes a lot of BS advanced stats to punish two young guys averaging 24/26 ppg and 4.7/4.8 apg with NO help, specifically #3 & #4 options out with injuries...lumping them in with the rest is a bit of a stretch.
I like AB, but "Black has looked amazing"?
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The delusion is apparently real.
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You're right. In order to get a B, Black needed to be the starting PG on a playoff team at 20-21 years old. That never happens for players that age.SHAQ32 wrote:The delusion is apparently real.
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