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2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#1 » by Knightro » Thu Jun 12, 2025 9:54 pm

Fresh thread as we are now less than two weeks out.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#2 » by dsg2021 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:31 am

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Post#3 » by cedric76 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 8:29 am

Finding a Center that can space the floor should be one of our priority and there is a 7'1 foot center that averaged 20 and 10 in the strongest conference.

Raynaud is my pick, he might now end up the best player in this draft but he could be the perfect fit next to Franz and Paolo

He is an underrated defender and shot blocker, i think he is quick enough to do a good job in our defensive scheme

Suggs, AB, Jase
Bane, Melton, Jett
Franz, TDS, Houstan
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Post#4 » by RookieStar » Fri Jun 13, 2025 9:19 am

cedric76 wrote:Finding a Center that can space the floor should be one of our priority and there is a 7'1 foot center that averaged 20 and 10 in the strongest conference.

Raynaud is my pick, he might now end up the best player in this draft but he could be the perfect fit next to Franz and Paolo

He is an underrated defender and shot blocker, i think he is quick enough to do a good job in our defensive scheme



Yeah... no. While i agree with you on Max being 7'1 and space the floor and whatever... BUT doing itnin the strongest conference???? Aside from duke, ACC suck a$$... SEC is waaaay tougher.. BIG 12 on a higher tier of competition as well...
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Post#5 » by drsd » Fri Jun 13, 2025 9:20 am

For me the questions as RealGM fans are:

1) do we fans want either / both picks?

2) do we fans expect the team to take either / both picks?

3) What to do with the SRPs?

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For me I have been very, very clear that no-rookie is the best path for the 2025/26 roster. But I do expect the team to take the picks unless they are required in a consildation trade(s).

To point 3: Can any of us expecdt anything but "Cash Considerations"? These SRPs are so pointless to this management.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#6 » by cedric76 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 9:57 am

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cedric76 wrote:Finding a Center that can space the floor should be one of our priority and there is a 7'1 foot center that averaged 20 and 10 in the strongest conference.

Raynaud is my pick, he might now end up the best player in this draft but he could be the perfect fit next to Franz and Paolo

He is an underrated defender and shot blocker, i think he is quick enough to do a good job in our defensive scheme



Yeah... no. While i agree with you on Max being 7'1 and space the floor and whatever... BUT doing itnin the strongest conference???? Aside from duke, ACC suck a$$... SEC is waaaay tougher.. BIG 12 on a higher tier of competition as well...


But what do you think about the fit?

He could be a back up or 3rd string C to start but could end up being a Brook lopez Lite player

Very hard to find a C that can space the floor

Centers with the most 3PT attempt this season

Reid
Turner
Horford
jokic
Towns
Lopez
Vuc
Huff
Bam
WCJ (10 th in the NBA)

a Rotation WCJ/Raynaud/Moe could do the job

Check his blocks numbers from 22nd Feb onward when he decided to go for blocks

I know people always want to go for BPA but with 2 picks i think we should use one for Fit and that s Raynaud
Suggs, AB, Jase
Bane, Melton, Jett
Franz, TDS, Houstan
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#7 » by basketballRob » Fri Jun 13, 2025 10:41 am

Wolf had 113 3-pt attempts as a junior. Raynaud had 61. I'm just saying that during both players' development, Wolf has always shot more 3s. Wolf is 1 year younger than Raynaud.

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Post#8 » by eyriq » Fri Jun 13, 2025 11:56 am

1. Tier 1: Knueppel, Johnson, Bryant, Jakucionis
(all require a serious trade-up)
2. Tier 2: McNeeley, Richardson, Coward (realistic at 16/25, fill biggest needs)
3. Tier 3: Clayton Jr., Kam Jones, Lanier (role-player bets, late-1st → mid-2nd)
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#9 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:08 pm

basketballRob wrote:Wolf had 113 3-pt attempts as a junior. Raynaud had 61. I'm just saying that during both players' development, Wolf has always shot more 3s. Wolf is 1 year younger than Raynaud.

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I mean not apples to apples as Stanford didn't take as many 3's as a team in Raynaud's junior year. Stanford shot 774 3's while Michigan shot 907 so different offenses apply. It was good to see in Raynaud's senior year he shot 193 almost 5 a game and still hit a respectable 34% of them. One big difference is Maxime also shot 77% from the line while Wolf only shot 59% which seems weird considering his stroke from 3.


it really is splitting hairs at this point. Maxime might be a better shooter from 3 (44% on cathc and shoot 3's) but Wolf has a bit more playmaking to his game but it's not always pretty with his turnover percentages. Not sure Wolf get's that much on ball time in the NBA but you can't not account for it when scouting and comparing him. At 25 you'd be thrilled to have both of these dues still on the board
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Post#10 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:32 pm

cedric76 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Finding a Center that can space the floor should be one of our priority and there is a 7'1 foot center that averaged 20 and 10 in the strongest conference.

Raynaud is my pick, he might now end up the best player in this draft but he could be the perfect fit next to Franz and Paolo

He is an underrated defender and shot blocker, i think he is quick enough to do a good job in our defensive scheme



Yeah... no. While i agree with you on Max being 7'1 and space the floor and whatever... BUT doing itnin the strongest conference???? Aside from duke, ACC suck a$$... SEC is waaaay tougher.. BIG 12 on a higher tier of competition as well...


But what do you think about the fit?

He could be a back up or 3rd string C to start but could end up being a Brook lopez Lite player

Very hard to find a C that can space the floor

Centers with the most 3PT attempt this season

Reid
Turner
Horford
jokic
Towns
Lopez
Vuc
Huff
Bam
WCJ (10 th in the NBA)

a Rotation WCJ/Raynaud/Moe could do the job

Check his blocks numbers from 22nd Feb onward when he decided to go for blocks

I know people always want to go for BPA but with 2 picks i think we should use one for Fit and that s Raynaud


He'd be an excellent pick, imo...mocks have him all over the place, he'd be a steal at #25. We move Goga and he backs up WCJ from Day 1...Isaac picks up stray minutes until Moe is back. He could eventually start...if WCJ misses time - that could be it for him.
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Post#11 » by CarraT » Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:35 pm

I dont have any clue about this draft class and couldnt care less.
It´s all about using our assets like these draft picks to get the necessary offensive upgrade at guard!
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Post#12 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 2:35 pm

drsd wrote:For me the questions as RealGM fans are:

1) do we fans want either / both picks?

2) do we fans expect the team to take either / both picks?

3) What to do with the SRPs?

...

For me I have been very, very clear that no-rookie is the best path for the 2025/26 roster. But I do expect the team to take the picks unless they are required in a consildation trade(s).

To point 3: Can any of us expecdt anything but "Cash Considerations"? These SRPs are so pointless to this management.


1) I think it’s important to at least keep one FRP for cheap depth/upside purposes. Which one we keep is contingent to trade scenarios.

2) Every year we say there’s no way we keep the pick and every year we’re disappointed. However, I think this is the year it’s different. I expect them to trade one of the two FRP and sell one of the two SRP.

*I do think there’s real smoke and motivation regarding moving up in the draft, everyone is assuming it’s for a guard but I think it’s for Danny Wolf and yes you guessed it Michigan ties.

3) See above
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#13 » by Idiosyncratic » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:23 pm

A lot of smoke around them trading up, I have no clue who that could be for. Jakucionis makes sense, could they really like Bryant, Essengue or Coward and stick with the toolsy wings approach? Trade up to secure a Jase or Sorber who are maybe like 50/50 to drop to them or not? I mean it doesn't have to be a guard assuming they trade for a vet guard

Edit* I guess I am mentally leaving out Demin because I don't want him, but I guess that could be an option :lol: Throw Kon in as well, if he falls past 8 or so which I personally think is possible. Wouldn't hate Kon. Don't like him as much as others, but do have him as a valid lottery pick this year.
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Post#14 » by AdamTheGreek » Fri Jun 13, 2025 3:29 pm

I think we’ve leaked that we want to trade up as strategy to strengthen the value of 16 and 25, to make them appear as strong assets that we’re not so easily and loosely willing to trade them for experienced players.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#15 » by RookieStar » Fri Jun 13, 2025 9:39 pm

cedric76 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Finding a Center that can space the floor should be one of our priority and there is a 7'1 foot center that averaged 20 and 10 in the strongest conference.

Raynaud is my pick, he might now end up the best player in this draft but he could be the perfect fit next to Franz and Paolo

He is an underrated defender and shot blocker, i think he is quick enough to do a good job in our defensive scheme



Yeah... no. While i agree with you on Max being 7'1 and space the floor and whatever... BUT doing itnin the strongest conference???? Aside from duke, ACC suck a$$... SEC is waaaay tougher.. BIG 12 on a higher tier of competition as well...


But what do you think about the fit?

He could be a back up or 3rd string C to start but could end up being a Brook lopez Lite player

Very hard to find a C that can space the floor

Centers with the most 3PT attempt this season

Reid
Turner
Horford
jokic
Towns
Lopez
Vuc
Huff
Bam
WCJ (10 th in the NBA)

a Rotation WCJ/Raynaud/Moe could do the job

Check his blocks numbers from 22nd Feb onward when he decided to go for blocks

I know people always want to go for BPA but with 2 picks i think we should use one for Fit and that s Raynaud


On paper, he is exactly the type of C that I want in our campaign for the ECF next season.

1.) A legit 7ft barefoot
2.) Around 240lbs so bot skinny and not heavy
3.) Shoot the 3s
4.) Defends well and can move well
5.) A senior at 22yrs old so further along in development as a bench big
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Post#16 » by basketballRob » Fri Jun 13, 2025 11:34 pm

I think Wolf has a chance to be chance to be like Hartenstein. Both are identically listed at 7', 255 lbs. Both have identical 7'2.50" wingspans. Both pass well and play almost like a wing.

Some scouts even called Hartenstein a SF.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/isaiah-hartenstein/



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Post#17 » by RookieStar » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:22 am

basketballRob wrote:I think Wolf has a chance to be chance to be like Hartenstein. Both are identically listed at 7', 255 lbs. Both have identical 7'2.50" wingspans. Both pass well and play almost like a wing.

Some scouts even called Hartenstein a SF.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/isaiah-hartenstein/



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Except that Ihart actualy defends while in the ncaa you can hear scouts/commentators say Wolfe is allergic to defense. Maybe in the league Wolfe would like to defend...
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Post#18 » by Black and Blue » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:38 am

AdamTheGreek wrote:I think we’ve leaked that we want to trade up as strategy to strengthen the value of 16 and 25, to make them appear as strong assets that we’re not so easily and loosely willing to trade them for experienced players.


This makes sense.

I also think there are likely suitors for 16 but less for 25, and this consolidates their value a bit.

I will say this is a weird draft where there is value at 25. I’m hoping we trade a pick for a point guard but won’t be super upset if we make both picks.


…and don’t do a weird head scratcher like Jett Howard. That has to be said at this point.
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Post#19 » by Max Power » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:54 am

Maybe I’m a little old school, but I’d like to see the Magic get a center than can get a friggin rebound. The franchise has always been its best when we’ve had strong rebounding and Wendell Carter ain’t that guy.
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Post#20 » by Black and Blue » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:59 am

Max Power wrote:Maybe I’m a little old school, but I’d like to see the Magic get a center than can get a friggin rebound. The franchise has always been its best when we’ve had strong rebounding and Wendell Carter ain’t that guy.


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