Thoughts on Mr #14

drsd · Post #1 » by **drsd** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:04 am

The Magic MUST sign another free-agent to get to a 14 man roster. The depth chart reveals a clear need for a body at the wing: SG, combo wing, or a SF.

To stay under the apron, the Magic at 2.9M left, can only sign a vet with 6 or less years of experience; a 7-year+ vet would take Orlando over the apron.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/minimum

Here is the list of example players Orlando can afford currently.

Sam Merrill
BJ Boston
Lindy Waters III
Ajay Mitchell
Trevelin Queen
Chris Duarte
Jabari Walker
Kessler Edwards
Dominick Barlow
MarJon Beauchamp

Without a trade, it one of these above players that are most likely to be the final roster move. Do we like any of them - at the vet min?
(some of these players will command more than the min, and thus would not come to Orlando.).
The only other possibilities for the final roster slot are: a Euroleague player, signing a SRP outright, an undrafted rookie, a G-Leaguer.
On average all of such players will scout lower than the above list.

RichCollab · Post #2 » by **RichCollab** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:07 am

What happened to 12 and 13?

drsd · Post #3 » by **drsd** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:30 am

RichCollab wrote:What happened to 12 and 13?

As of today:
1 Franz Wagner
2 Desmond Bane
3 Jalen Suggs
4 Paolo Banchero
5 Jonathan Isaac
6 Wendell Carter
7 Goga Bitadze
8 Anthony Black
9 Jett Howard
10 Tristan da Silva
11 Mr #25
12 Moritz Wagner
13 Caleb Houstan

fendilim · Post #4 » by **fendilim** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:48 am

Queen

AdamTheGreek · Post #5 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:05 am

I’m expecting at least another trade.

But either way, Queen should be on a 15-man contract.

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #6 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:26 am

I’m confused, we had 15 players plus 3 two ways this season. Why do we need to sign a 14th player, the season is over.

If it is due to the trade, just sign Queen.

Post #7 » by **Knightro** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:41 am

drsd wrote:
RichCollab wrote:What happened to 12 and 13?

As of today:
1 Franz Wagner
2 Desmond Bane
3 Jalen Suggs
4 Paolo Banchero
5 Jonathan Isaac
6 Wendell Carter
7 Goga Bitadze
8 Anthony Black
9 Jett Howard
10 Tristan da Silva
11 Mr #25
12 Moritz Wagner
13 Caleb Houstan

I wouldn’t assume these 13 guys are all safe.

Post #8 » by **Knightro** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:42 am

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:I’m confused, we had 15 players plus 3 two ways this season. Why do we need to sign a 14th player, the season is over.

If it is due to the trade, just sign Queen.

KCP/Cole for Bane brought them down to 14.

Declining Gary and CoJo brought them down to 12.

25th pick if they make it will bring them back up to 13.

RookieStar · Post #9 » by **RookieStar** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:21 pm

How about SRP be the 14th man?

cedric76 · Post #10 » by **cedric76** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:49 pm

drsd wrote:The Magic MUST sign another free-agent to get to a 14 man roster. The depth chart reveals a clear need for a body at the wing: SG, combo wing, or a SF.

To stay under the apron, the Magic at 2.9M left, can only sign a vet with 6 or less years of experience; a 7-year+ vet would take Orlando over the apron.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/minimum

Here is the list of example players Orlando can afford currently.

Sam Merrill
BJ Boston
Lindy Waters III
Ajay Mitchell
Trevelin Queen
Chris Duarte
Jabari Walker
Kessler Edwards
Dominick Barlow
MarJon Beauchamp

Without a trade, it one of these above players that are most likely to be the final roster move. Do we like any of them - at the vet min?
(some of these players will command more than the min, and thus would not come to Orlando.).
The only other possibilities for the final roster slot are: a Euroleague player, signing a SRP outright, an undrafted rookie, a G-Leaguer.
On average all of such players will scout lower than the above list.

Moe is gonna get declined so we ll be able to spend more on vets, someone like Gary Harris would be a better option

Idiosyncratic · Post #11 » by **Idiosyncratic** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:11 pm

Ajay Mitchell is the best player here, he was really good for OKC before he got hurt, don't think he will be a real option for us though. Sam Merrill is also decent, but probably can get more than the minimum.

Rather take a 2nd than most of these guys, but agree with others that there still could be more trades to come.

If this team ends up having to sign a minimum guy I would not be surprised if it is like Torrey Craig, Javonte Green or Lamar Stevens. I think Stevens or Green are fine end of bench min guys, Craig looked kind of cooked.

If I was forced to sign someone I think could somehow make a rotation at the minimum salary maybe Sandro Mamukelashvili or Jae'Sean Tate?

VFX · Post #12 » by **VFX** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:39 pm

cedric76 wrote:
drsd wrote:The Magic MUST sign another free-agent to get to a 14 man roster. The depth chart reveals a clear need for a body at the wing: SG, combo wing, or a SF.

To stay under the apron, the Magic at 2.9M left, can only sign a vet with 6 or less years of experience; a 7-year+ vet would take Orlando over the apron.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/minimum

Here is the list of example players Orlando can afford currently.

Sam Merrill
BJ Boston
Lindy Waters III
Ajay Mitchell
Trevelin Queen
Chris Duarte
Jabari Walker
Kessler Edwards
Dominick Barlow
MarJon Beauchamp

Without a trade, it one of these above players that are most likely to be the final roster move. Do we like any of them - at the vet min?
(some of these players will command more than the min, and thus would not come to Orlando.).
The only other possibilities for the final roster slot are: a Euroleague player, signing a SRP outright, an undrafted rookie, a G-Leaguer.
On average all of such players will scout lower than the above list.

Moe is gonna get declined so we ll be able to spend more on vets, someone like Gary Harris would be a better option

Not happening.

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #13 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:00 pm

cedric76 wrote:
drsd wrote:The Magic MUST sign another free-agent to get to a 14 man roster. The depth chart reveals a clear need for a body at the wing: SG, combo wing, or a SF.

To stay under the apron, the Magic at 2.9M left, can only sign a vet with 6 or less years of experience; a 7-year+ vet would take Orlando over the apron.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/minimum

Here is the list of example players Orlando can afford currently.

Sam Merrill
BJ Boston
Lindy Waters III
Ajay Mitchell
Trevelin Queen
Chris Duarte
Jabari Walker
Kessler Edwards
Dominick Barlow
MarJon Beauchamp

Without a trade, it one of these above players that are most likely to be the final roster move. Do we like any of them - at the vet min?
(some of these players will command more than the min, and thus would not come to Orlando.).
The only other possibilities for the final roster slot are: a Euroleague player, signing a SRP outright, an undrafted rookie, a G-Leaguer.
On average all of such players will scout lower than the above list.

Moe is gonna get declined so we ll be able to spend more on vets, someone like Gary Harris would be a better option

No to Harris.

Post #14 » by **Knightro** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:14 pm

I do think Moe is getting declined regardless. Doesn’t mean he won’t be back, but for flexibility purposes at the very least.

Also the Magic have two second round picks and could certainly opt to use one or both them depending on what other trades or signings they may make.

Post #15 » by **Knightro** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:17 pm

drsd wrote:The Magic MUST sign another free-agent to get to a 14 man roster. The depth chart reveals a clear need for a body at the wing: SG, combo wing, or a SF.

To stay under the apron, the Magic at 2.9M left, can only sign a vet with 6 or less years of experience; a 7-year+ vet would take Orlando over the apron.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/minimum

Here is the list of example players Orlando can afford currently.

Sam Merrill
BJ Boston
Lindy Waters III
Ajay Mitchell
Trevelin Queen
Chris Duarte
Jabari Walker
Kessler Edwards
Dominick Barlow
MarJon Beauchamp

Without a trade, it one of these above players that are most likely to be the final roster move. Do we like any of them - at the vet min?
(some of these players will command more than the min, and thus would not come to Orlando.).
The only other possibilities for the final roster slot are: a Euroleague player, signing a SRP outright, an undrafted rookie, a G-Leaguer.
On average all of such players will scout lower than the above list.

They’re almost certainly going make at least one more move to alleviate the financial crunch.

Whether that’s punting Jett, declining Moe and bringing him for much less than he makes now, or potentially punting Isaac.

RichCollab · Post #16 » by **RichCollab** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:23 pm

Knightro wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:I’m confused, we had 15 players plus 3 two ways this season. Why do we need to sign a 14th player, the season is over.

If it is due to the trade, just sign Queen.

KCP/Cole for Bane brought them down to 14.

Declining Gary and CoJo brought them down to 12.

25th pick if they make it will bring them back up to 13.

Moe
Caleb
25th pick

They all are up in the air. I don’t count them apart of the equation yet. Sure, you could say anyone could be traded but the 3 above are already in a precarious state.

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #17 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:58 pm

RichCollab wrote:
Knightro wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:I’m confused, we had 15 players plus 3 two ways this season. Why do we need to sign a 14th player, the season is over.

If it is due to the trade, just sign Queen.

KCP/Cole for Bane brought them down to 14.

Declining Gary and CoJo brought them down to 12.

25th pick if they make it will bring them back up to 13.

Moe
Caleb
25th pick

They all are up in the air. I don’t count them apart of the equation yet. Sure, you could say anyone could be traded but the 3 above are already in a precarious state.

I think they have to be in the equation for this season. You’re supposed to have 14 players on your roster by the end of the season that ends June 30th.

Post #18 » by **Knightro** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:01 pm

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Knightro wrote:
KCP/Cole for Bane brought them down to 14.

Declining Gary and CoJo brought them down to 12.

25th pick if they make it will bring them back up to 13.

Moe
Caleb
25th pick

They all are up in the air. I don’t count them apart of the equation yet. Sure, you could say anyone could be traded but the 3 above are already in a precarious state.

I think they have to be in the equation for this season. You’re supposed to use 14 players on your roster by the end of the season that ends June 30th.

Not accurate.

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #19 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:02 pm

Knightro wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Moe
Caleb
25th pick

They all are up in the air. I don’t count them apart of the equation yet. Sure, you could say anyone could be traded but the 3 above are already in a precarious state.

I think they have to be in the equation for this season. You’re supposed to use 14 players on your roster by the end of the season that ends June 30th.

Not accurate.

Mavs, Kings, and Warriors were all told that they needed 14 players on their roster this season. They were all given a timeline to get one.

Teams are required to carry 14 players.

https://www.slamonline.com/news/nba/cba-explained-nba-roster-size-limits/#:~:text=Teams%20are%20obligated%20to%20carry,whom%20would%20be%20Inactive%20Players.

Post #20 » by **Knightro** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:07 pm

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:I think they have to be in the equation for this season. You’re supposed to use 14 players on your roster by the end of the season that ends June 30th.

Not accurate.

Mavs, Kings, and Warriors were all told that they needed 14 players on their roster this season. They were all given a timeline to get one.

Teams are required to carry 14 players.

Yes, they are. During the season.

Will any of these players be Mr #14, at the vet min ?