Magic / Bucks Trade Ideas

leo6287 · Post #1 » by **leo6287** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:55 pm

I think Orlando and Milwaukee are good trade parner's So give me your Bucks Magic Trade Ideas .

My Trade Idea

Milwaukee Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -1.9 ppg, -0.5 rpg, and +0.3 apg.
Incoming Players

Keith Bogans 6-4 SG from Kentucky
9.8 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.9 minutes

Brian Cook 6-9 PF from Illinois
2.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.7 minutes

Pat Garrity 6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Unprotected 2008 1st Round Pick

Outgoing Players

Charlie Villanueva 6-10 PF from Connecticut
9.3 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.7 apg in 19.8 minutes

Bobby Simmons 6-6 SF from DePaul
7.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.2 apg in 22.7 minutes

Why for Bucks: They save alot of money and get a 1st for Villanueva

Why for Magic: Villanueva will hopefully play with Howard Simmons has a Big contract but he could an ok back up

theTHIEF · Post #2 » by **theTHIEF** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:57 pm

can Simmons play the 2? been a long time since I kept up with him...the only issue is the 2 spot after this trade...if we can protect it...and maybe try to hold the pick and add in Gortat or something im cool...but at the deadline, if nothings swinging, i say do it...

it might be better if the Bucks got 2 expirings instead of just one, even though Bogans only has one more year...

laVal03 · Post #3 » by **laVal03** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:59 pm

milwaukee won't take on Cook's contract, if he was subbed out for another expiring I think they do it, however then I think it is bad for us

leo6287 · Post #4 » by **leo6287** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:06 pm

thEthIEf wrote:can Simmons play the 2? been a long time since I kept up with him...the only issue is the 2 spot after this trade...if we can protect it...and maybe try to hold the pick and add in Gortat or something im cool...but at the deadline, if nothings swinging, i say do it...

it might be better if the Bucks got 2 expirings instead of just one, even though Bogans only has one more year...

Why not Start turk at 2 Lewis at 3 and Villanueva at 4

theTHIEF · Post #5 » by **theTHIEF** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:17 pm

leo6287 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Why not Start turk at 2 Lewis at 3 and Villanueva at 4

no scoring off the bench? im 50/50 on Hedo playing the 2...i think it could work...but i also see where it would be greatly disappointing...

say we did that trade, you'd you start

Nelson
Hedo
Lewis
CV
Dwight

you only have

Arroyo/Dooling
Evans/JJ
Simmons
Augustine
Foyle

basically the same thing we have now, just that we have to run Augustine more, and we'd rely a lot on Arroyo and Simmons (who we dont know what he'll do here)...

IDK

paperboymafia · Post #6 » by **paperboymafia** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:24 pm

can CV rebound and ply some D? can simmons play D? if yes to both, then i'd be up for that trade.

leo6287 · Post #7 » by **leo6287** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:25 pm

thEthIEf wrote:
leo6287 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Why not Start turk at 2 Lewis at 3 and Villanueva at 4

no scoring off the bench? im 50/50 on Hedo playing the 2...i think it could work...but i also see where it would be greatly disappointing...

say we did that trade, you'd you start

Nelson
Hedo
Lewis
CV
Dwight

you only have

Arroyo/Dooling
Evans/JJ
Simmons
Augustine
Foyle

basically the same thing we have now, just that we have to run Augustine more, and we'd rely a lot on Arroyo and Simmons (who we dont know what he'll do here)...

IDK

Well my next trade would Be

JJ and Augustine

for

Hilton Armstrong

Line up

Howard/Foyle
CV/Hilton
Lewis/Simmoms
Hedo/Evans/Dooling
Nelson/Arroyo/Dooling

theTHIEF · Post #8 » by **theTHIEF** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:27 pm

shoot man, i wish you were our GM...realistically, we just couldn't swing that...sounds great on paper though...we'd be pretty nice...

CarraT · Post #9 » by **CarraT** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:35 pm

leo6287 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Why not Start turk at 2 Lewis at 3 and Villanueva at 4

This would only work on offense, Turk cant defend an average SG!

Dwightmare · Post #10 » by **Dwightmare** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:36 pm

Even if that trade goes down, i still think that we would start the same lineup with CV being the first to come off the bench. Next year I would expect CV to start after getting a training camp under his belt.

I would like to get CV on our team, i just don't see a huge difference between him and Cook besides age/potential. And we would be paying Simmons a ton to play 3rd string SF.

The thing about Turk is even though he is playing out of his mind so far, he will eventually come down to earth, and I'm hoping/believe that Rashard finds his stride by then. Turk would be the perfect 6 man next year. We are not deep enough this year for that.

IF this trade went down, the only way this team improves over the summer is by throwing our MLE at Childress or Peitrus.

leo6287 · Post #11 » by **leo6287** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:38 pm

thEthIEf wrote:shoot man, i wish you were our GM...realistically, we just couldn't swing that...sounds great on paper though...we'd be pretty nice...

Well I post this trade a couple weeks ago in NO Hornets Forum

Orlando Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -4.2 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and -1.0 apg.
Incoming Players

Hilton Armstrong 6-10 C from Connecticut
3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.6 minutes

Rasual Butler 6-7 SF from La Salle
6.0 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 21.1 minutes

Outgoing Players

James Augustine 6-10 PF from Illinois
1.6 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.1 apg in 6.2 minutes

J.J. Redick 6-5 SG from Duke
3.4 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.9 minutes

Keyon Dooling 6-3 PG from Missouri
8.2 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.8 apg in 18.9 minutes

80% of them say they would do the trade so

Howard/Foyle/Hilton
CV/Hilton/Lewis
Lewis/Simmons/Butler
Turk/Evans/Butler
Nelson/Arroyo

theTHIEF · Post #12 » by **theTHIEF** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:40 pm

well the only problem with the trade is we dont upgrade much in the defense dept. Simmons is a good enough defender, but CV really doesn't stick well with his guys, from my point of view...at the same time, he's a better defender than say Cook or PG...we'd need to upgrade the 1 or 2 spot's defense right away...

leo6287 · Post #13 » by **leo6287** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:42 pm

CarraT wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

This would only work on offense, Turk cant defend an average SG!

Why Not? Who else can defend an Average SG on this Team ! at Least Turk is 6'10'' at least he has somekind of an advantge over a "Average" SG

mattyBoi · Post #14 » by **mattyBoi** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:44 pm

I like it but this is Otis were talking about here.

I heard a rumor of Ellis and Pietrus for some expirings and pick...Also heard GS was asking for jameer in any trade for Ellis.

Dwightmare · Post #15 » by **Dwightmare** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:45 pm

CV could be a nasty scoring PF in the right system and Battie could be the defensive minded/rebounding PF/C we need. We these two holding down the PF spot (and Cook as insurance) and with Dwight backed by Foyle playing the C, our frontcourt would be pretty sick. This would allow us to bring Hedo's much need playmaking and scoring off the bench. The only this is what do we do with Simmons?

leo6287 · Post #16 » by **leo6287** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:47 pm

thEthIEf wrote:well the only problem with the trade is we dont upgrade much in the defense dept. Simmons is a good enough defender, but CV really doesn't stick well with his guys, from my point of view...at the same time, he's a better defender than say Cook or PG...we'd need to upgrade the 1 or 2 spot's defense right away...

I could'nt agree more..... Simmoms "Might" be the answer

leo6287 · Post #17 » by **leo6287** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:53 pm

mattyBoi wrote:I like it but this is Otis were talking about here.

I heard a rumor of Ellis and Pietrus for some expirings and pick...Also heard GS was asking for jameer in any trade for Ellis.

I think this would be the trade But remenber Ellis wants like 10 Mill Per a year

Golden State Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -8.2 ppg, -3.2 rpg, and +2.6 apg.
Incoming Players

Jameer Nelson 6-0 PG from St. Joseph's
11.3 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 6.0 apg in 30.1 minutes

J.J. Redick 6-5 SG from Duke
3.6 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.9 minutes

unprotected 08 1st

Outgoing Players

Monta Ellis 6-3 PG from Lanier (HS)
16.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.2 apg in 35.5 minutes

Mickael Pietrus 6-6 SG / SF from France (Foreign)
6.2 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 18.0 minutes

EasternMagic · Post #18 » by **EasternMagic** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:59 pm

i want C.V. but i dont think we could get him for this i dont think that mil wants Cooks contract
i think id go more with
Charlie Villanueva and Royal Ivey (plays both gaurd spots and for defensive purposes) for
Kieth Bogans, James Augustine, and JJ
this helps us on the boards and defensively and gives Milwaukee expiring contracts and and easy contracts to deal with and jj would probably get a lot more minutes up there

Optimus_Steel · Post #19 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:07 pm

thEthIEf wrote:shoot man, i wish you were our GM...realistically, we just couldn't swing that...sounds great on paper though...we'd be pretty nice...

Dont encourage Leo, its gonna make him post more crazy trades.

leo6287 · Post #20 » by **leo6287** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:31 pm

prorl wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Dont encourage Leo, its gonna make him post more crazy trades.

It did but you know alot of the time I don't want these trade to happen really just to get feel for value so some of time my "crazy trades" am really playing devil's advocate