O-Sen: Don't expect any moves before deadline

[Bensational]

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Or the Magic can use their expirings to nab other FAs.

how so? you mean in a S&T?

[MagicalMan]

This is what I expected. Does Otis not realize that bringing in another player can have a positive impact on chemistry and confidence? That it doesn't necessarily have to be a negative aspect of making a trade. I think he is being too patient. While I understand this to a degree (with Battie and possibly Fran next year or the year after, added to Dwight, Cook, Foyle, Gortat, Auggie?) we will have a logjam of borderline players. Adding another big to the mix may just make it more difficult, unless it was a one year deal. Which in Webber's case I think he's looking for two.

[mattyBoi]

OMG typical otis bull$hitt...Can we please get this guy out of here, seriously its already old.

[cedric76]

OMG typical otis bull$hitt...Can we please get this guy out of here, seriously its already old.

why? he si a good GM

who do u want?

[Devin 1L]

fair enough ,why make a trade for the sake of making a trade

Where are my A-Leaguers for this one?

^^ why not? i don't think it'd really hurt anything if he said "yeah, we've got a couple of holes to fill. if something comes up that we like then we'll think about it, but no players need to be worried at this point".

that's not too forward, and it gives the impression to fans that he's looking to try to right the ship - even if he does stand pat.

Sorry, but I just think that is silly. It's got to be one of the most ridiculous thing to complain about, in my opinion.

This is what I expected. Does Otis not realize that bringing in another player can have a positive impact on chemistry and confidence? That it doesn't necessarily have to be a negative aspect of making a trade. I think he is being too patient. While I understand this to a degree (with Battie and possibly Fran next year or the year after, added to Dwight, Cook, Foyle, Gortat, Auggie?) we will have a logjam of borderline players. Adding another big to the mix may just make it more difficult, unless it was a one year deal. Which in Webber's case I think he's looking for two.

It could also have a negative impact.

Heck, just talking about it could have a negative impact. People then jump on his statements, trade "rumors" start popping up everywhere and then players start looking over their shoulders. I think it's safe to say that players don't tend to play better a team game when their worried about being shipped out at any moment because their GM said he was looking to bring in, say, a higher caliber SG.

Then people would be like "OMFG! Otis is a dumbo. What did he think would happen when he started blabbing his mouth about trading?"

OMG typical otis bull$hitt...Can we please get this guy out of here, seriously its already old.

Actually, this here might be the exact sort of reply I was referring to. You can just cut and paste it as a reply to everything:

"Yep, typically otis...yadda, yadda, he sucks...can we fire him already...this team isn't even contending for the playo...err, fire otis!"

[mhectorgato]

Is the key word "expect" in the Otis' quote? Because when you least expect it ...

[magictreat]

fair enough ,why make a trade for the sake of making a trade

we r preparing the season 2008/2009

our frontcourt will look really good
howard+battie+cook(now getting into shape)+foyle+lewis

forward are set with hedo+lewis

sg combo bogans+evans

pg neslon+dooling

arroyo+pat r likely gone

we then will have our pick+mle to help our depth

i still wish we package arroyo+pat somewhere in a trade

Sure!!! LOL, and next year will be the same BS, so you will say "we r preparing the season 2009/2010, LOL LOL LOL, is part of being aMagic fan, wait till next year, well I'd been waiting for 19 years, as a season ticket holder, I'll like to win NOW, for a change!!!!!!

[MagicalMan]

It could also have a negative impact.

Heck, just talking about it could have a negative impact. People then jump on his statements, trade "rumors" start popping up everywhere and then players start looking over their shoulders. I think it's safe to say that players don't tend to play better a team game when their worried about being shipped out at any moment because their GM said he was looking to bring in, say, a higher caliber SG.

I think you missed my next sentence where I said:

This is what I expected. Does Otis not realize that bringing in another player can have a positive impact on chemistry and confidence? That it doesn't necessarily have to be a negative aspect of making a trade.

I think I acknowledged that there are risks by saying that it doesnt necessarily have to be negative.

Look at Detroit, where would they be if they didnt pick up Rasheed. Think any fans/players were worried about his ego? Of course, but I think it worked out nicely for them. Winning a championship and all.

[Devin 1L]

I think you missed my next sentence where I said:

This is what I expected. Does Otis not realize that bringing in another player can have a positive impact on chemistry and confidence? That it doesn't necessarily have to be a negative aspect of making a trade.

I think I acknowledged that there are risks by saying that it doesnt necessarily have to be negative.

Look at Detroit, where would they be if they didnt pick up Rasheed. Think any fans/players were worried about his ego? Of course, but I think it worked out nicely for them. Winning a championship and all.

No, I definitely didn't miss it -- I just think it goes without saying.

I think that was kind of like Ben's line:

that's not too forward, and it gives the impression to fans that he's looking to try to right the ship - even if he does stand pat.

I think it goes without saying.


Of course, the goal with every trade is to not have any negative implications. Do you think that Otis really thinks that every trade is bad? Do you think that Otis really thinks that bringing in another player can't have an positive impact. Of course not.

The same reason he doesn't need to give us the impression that he's trying to right the ship... As opposed to?

As for the Pistons, great, they made a great trade that put them over the top. Pardon me if this isn't your intent, but I hate when people bring his up, because they always use it as "See, Otis doesn't have the balls to do that!" As if all of these hypothetical trades that people come up with on here are actually proposed to Otis and he turns them all down.

[MagicalMan]

No, I definitely didn't miss it -- I just think it goes without saying.

Then why would you say:

It could also have a negative impact.

Heck, just talking about it could have a negative impact.

That goes without saying and was in reply to my statement where I acknowledged that point. So why mention it at all?

[cedric76]

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Actually, this here might be the exact sort of reply I was referring to. You can just cut and paste it as a reply to everything:

"Yep, typically otis...yadda, yadda, he sucks...can we fire him already...this team isn't even contending for the playo...err, fire otis!"

lol

devin ,every trade i made improve me team
yes i love making trades but i'm after improvement 1st

[laVal03]

so if we were offered a decent player (actually any player) for Garrity's expiring contract, Otis is going to turn it down? Sorry McHale PG is part of our "core"
give me an effing break, I'd rather Otis not say anything at all

[Just Plain Mark]

I think lots of things "go without saying", but its even better to hear it said. My wife would be pretty bummed if I never told her "thanks", in fact, she might begin to doubt my gratitude.

Same goes with Otis. Do I think he wants to improve the team? Sure, but I'd like to hear him acknowledge the team's imperfections. If Stan can do it, why can't Otis?

Further more, Otis doesn't get the benefit of the doubt about trade scenarios and "no quick fixes" when he trades Trevor for Mo and Cook. Even if its a good trade, its still a quick fix and "getting more consistency" should've applied to Trevor as much as Keith Bogans and Dooling/Arroyo.

He just hasn't acted completely consistent with what he says so I think he needs to change his tune.

[Devin 1L]

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That goes without saying and was in reply to my statement where I acknowledged that point. So why mention it at all?

Kind of one obvious statement to another.

It could help? Yeah, or it could hurt.

Then I continued with how not even actually doing a trade, but merely talking about it could be detrimental. Something that didn't necessarily go without saying.

I think lots of things "go without saying", but its even better to hear it said. My wife would be pretty bummed if I never told her "thanks", in fact, she might begin to doubt my gratitude.

Same goes with Otis. Do I think he wants to improve the team? Sure, but I'd like to hear him acknowledge the team's imperfections. If Stan can do it, why can't Otis?

I'm not really buying that analogy.

In no way could you saying "thanks" possibly undermine the job trying to do as a husband.

[surflawyer]

Relax guys .... Otis may not be the sharpest tool in the GM shed but he is not an idiot (ie not working in the NY front office). If there is a deal he will do it. There is no way he will let 12 mil expire when he knows that all we have is the MLE next year. If we trade the 12 mil in expirings we can get a 12 mil player which we have zero chance of doing because of the cap *insert comment about $118 million contract here* if we let them expire. Who knows, there may not be any deals out there. My biggest concern is that most GMs around the league dont have any staff that are fluent in "mumble" and they may not realize that Otis is actually trying to make a deal.

Two days ago my friend left his cell phone on his bed and he and his girlfriend began makingout. While rolling around on the phone it hit redial. For the next 20 minutes I though I was talking to Otis about a possible Medical Malpractice case against his dentist.

[Just Plain Mark]

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I'm not really buying that analogy.

In no way could you saying "thanks" possibly undermine the job trying to do as a husband.

IMO, in no way does saying, "This team is imperfect", undermine his job as a GM. Like I said, if Stan can say it, why can't Otis say it? In fact, if Stan says it and Otis doesn't, I think there's a problem.

ETA: Hasn't Otis already shown his hand to a large extent with phrases like this

but I think what we need, as a team, is more consistent play from the guys we have,"

So he's already acknowledged they aren't up to snuff yet, he's just not going to say he'll trade to fix that problem.

[Optimus_Steel]

Didnt Otis say that he was happy with Francis and a week later he was shipped to NY? What he says to the media about trades doesnt really matter.

[magicman123]

yea i can see otis letting $12million expire...its nothing new with smith, every year he says something like this..lets just sit back and wait for otis to say the same thing in a week or two

[Optimus_Steel]

From David Thorpe latest chat:

Mike Woodson (Atlanta): I have a deal on the table for Josh Childress. Orlando has offered Keyon Dooling and a 1st round pick. Deal or No Deal???

David Thorpe: (12:39 PM ET ) Sounds solid.

DJ (Camp victory Iraq): David, are the magic going to make a trade before the deadline? why or why not?

David Thorpe: (12:00 PM ET ) I don't think so. Who can they move?

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=18835

[Catledge]

I think the biggest myth in the NBA is the idea that expiring contracts carry significant trade value more often than not. They will only rarely get you anything good, if for no other reason than that they aren't that rare. Most teams have at least one or two contracts that are expiring, meaning that in most cases you have to include real talent in a deal if you want to get anything decent in return.

And, for what it's worth, I think our greatest need is actually at SG.