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I read on Hopshype that NJ is shopping VC for expirings and or picks.. They are also shopping Williams..Who is a 6'3" PG.. Who if can get back into shape reminds me of a Deron Williams type PG.

Magic Trade

Dooling
Bogans
Arroyo
Garrity
Fran
Future First


New Jersey Trades

Vince Carter
Marcus Williams

Nelson/Williams
Carter/Redick
Lewis/Evans
Hedo/Auggie
Howard/Foyle/Gortat

Then the team can look at PG's on 10 day contracts til we fin an okay one, incase of injury..As we have now.

I know Carter is kind of on his last legs, but he is still an easy 15 ppg player, and without a large workload he can make this team a contendor.

And before I hear the, " HEY! let's trade Bogans for Kobe!"

Remember, AI got traded for Andre Miller, Joe Smith and 2 LATE firsts. and AI can almost double Vince in productivity.

VC was traded to NJ in the first place for a player who wasn't going to play and a first rounder....So with his skills slightly dimished and his value at a low, this trade (IMO) could actually be a reality...If tried hard enough by Otis.

Otis: " that is fool's gold" lol

i would ok with that i guess...don't know enough about marcus williams to be comfortably getting rid of arroyo and dooling even if they have been inconsistent at times.

VC is too expensive, and not worth it.

Ehhhh....VC is too old we dont need him here. Williams on the other hand I am very much into. I played with him a few times a couple years back at uconn. This guy has great court vision and is left handed. I have been sying this for a while and even think we should have picked him up in the draft instead of Redick. This guy will be a starting PG in the nba soon, so take him while we can HUGE upgrade over nelson

marcin061786 wrote:Ehhhh....VC is too old we dont need him here. Williams on the other hand I am very much into. I played with him a few times a couple years back at uconn. This guy has great court vision and is left handed. I have been sying this for a while and even think we should have picked him up in the draft instead of Redick. This guy will be a starting PG in the nba soon, so take him while we can HUGE upgrade over nelson

I agree completely, but you also have to consider, to move young talent they are going to want to move big contracts.We can't afford Kidd without giving them back too much salary they would have to keep. But us recieving VC gives us another scorer, a big SG that takes care of the majority of our prblems and gets them one step closer to rebuilding...If they ca trade VC and Kidd this season for expirings, they will have a good amount of cap space for this summer, which is a HUGE summer.. Plus they already have a decent core

Jefferson
Williams
Boone
Nachbar
Kristic

Them getting a high draft pick, a few extra firsts from the VC and Kidd trades and young players from Kidd, gives them quick turn around.

It's kinda weird to say you have to give a little to gain a little, due to the fact VC is the give and the gain.. Getting VC IMO is a pretty big risk, due to his injuries, but it has HUGE reward if it works out.. Plus this trade IMO is more about gettting a young,big up and coming PG such as Williams.

NO WAY!!! vc is old and cant manuever as well.... not a good team player like his cousin

MagicFan3 wrote:VC is too expensive, and not worth it.

I agree. The minute Otis makes this trade & Vince gets injured or doesn't mix well then everyone blasts him for making this trade. It's fool's gold. I bet you anything the NJ camp is secretly wishing they hadn't given him that big extension or traded him when they had the chance. They probably could've gotten rid of him last year but asked for more than what teams wanted to give up.

You guys, stop looking at it like we are trying to pull in a superstar.. And stop looking at it like we are giving up a ton...

We are giving up players that most likely will NOT be here by the end of summer. We are bringing in 2 guarunteed contracts. VC is an upgrade over ANY of our shooting guards, even if he is hobbled.

Williams has a BRIGHT future, and I can't think of a PG Arroyo could pull in that has half of the potential as Williams. You guys are acting like once Vince gets here he becomes the first option and we have to worry whether he can carry the load or not.. This trade gies us ANOTHER 15-20 ppg player with size... That makes our team even harder to guard.

look at it as if we were bringing in a corey maggette type player that could go off for 40 on a given night.

Plus, his contract doesn't reall matter due to the fact it doesn't expire til Lewis and Dwight's anyway.We are already in cap hell. Why not improve our team, instead of hoping our expirings can pull in a brand type player or a really young guy with high potential.

VC makes this team just so much more deadly.

Vince is still a great player, and to get him without having to include Hedo would be a bargain. I would switch Bogans for JJ and take out the rights to Fran though. Also, make that future first a protected pick. NJ wants to cut bait and rebuild, something they should have done at the deadline last year actually. If they can get expiring contracts and two prospects like JJ and a pick, they should be more than willing to include Williams. Plus they would have to because two of our three expiring contracts are pg's.

There is no market out there for Vince, unless NJ is willing to take on an even bigger contract or another player with issues. Someone like J.O. would seem to make the most sense for them, but he's going to be out the rest of the year and making more money than Vince. We've already seen that we don't have what it takes in a series against the elite teams. This would make us the Boston Celtics part deux, but even better. Nice trade.

We don't need Carter, VC does not help this team.

spinedoc wrote:Vince is still a great player, and to get him without having to include Hedo would be a bargain. I would switch Bogans for JJ and take out the rights to Fran though. Also, make that future first a protected pick. NJ wants to cut bait and rebuild, something they should have done at the deadline last year actually. If they can get expiring contracts and two prospects like JJ and a pick, they should be more than willing to include Williams. Plus they would have to because two of our three expiring contracts are pg's.

There is no market out there for Vince, unless NJ is willing to take on an even bigger contract or another player with issues. Someone like J.O. would seem to make the most sense for them, but he's going to be out the rest of the year and making more money than Vince. We've already seen that we don't have what it takes in a series against the elite teams. This would make us the Boston Celtics part deux, but even better. Nice trade.

Something of that sort would work, The reason I didn't include JJ is the fact that he has 3 years left on his contract whilst Bogans can opt out this year or is gone next summer. I also have hopes with JJ still..

When I went to the game the other day VS Detroit, JJ seemed to almost be the court leader while Jameer was not out there.... He was directing Warm up lines, he was putting energy on the court, he was giving out high fives and trying to get players motivated. I also noticd he Dwight and Jameer seem to be close. while Dwight is on the bench and while Jameer is out they all sit in a group together at the end of the bench talkin and jokin the ENTIRE game. Also, Jameer, JJ and Dwight all left the game at the same time, and my buddy saw them together at a club after the game.

I think SVG has plans on getting Dooling or Bogans showcase minutes so he can get one of them moved for a PF. Because, he has never really had anything bad to say about JJ and everytime he plays he gives him praise.He fits the system here too perfectly to be traded. I really think JJ is going to shine after all star break or trade deadline. Just 2 more of my cents.lol

I included JJ because NJ still needs something of value to build on. Bogans gives them another cheap salary, but nothing for the future. They already get enough cap relief with Garrity, Arroyo, and Dooling in the deal. They don't need Bogans. This way they get a backup sg with a decent stroke behind Wright. Also, I took out Fran's rights. I think the two sides are on the same page now, and he can be a terrific player for us as Battie transitions into a backup role the next couple years. Hopefully Fran's buyout can be arranged this summer.

getting vince would allow shard and hedo to go back to their natural positions.

dwight at c
hedo at pf
shard at sf
vince at sg
jj at pg

we could of signed him this summer if we really wanted him...no thanks keep grandpa carter away

magicfanejc42 wrote:You guys, stop looking at it like we are trying to pull in a superstar.. And stop looking at it like we are giving up a ton...

We are giving up players that most likely will NOT be here by the end of summer. We are bringing in 2 guarunteed contracts. VC is an upgrade over ANY of our shooting guards, even if he is hobbled.

Williams has a BRIGHT future, and I can't think of a PG Arroyo could pull in that has half of the potential as Williams. You guys are acting like once Vince gets here he becomes the first option and we have to worry whether he can carry the load or not.. This trade gies us ANOTHER 15-20 ppg player with size... That makes our team even harder to guard.

look at it as if we were bringing in a corey maggette type player that could go off for 40 on a given night.

Plus, his contract doesn't reall matter due to the fact it doesn't expire til Lewis and Dwight's anyway.We are already in cap hell. Why not improve our team, instead of hoping our expirings can pull in a brand type player or a really young guy with high potential.

VC makes this team just so much more deadly.

This post perfectly explains why NJ doesn't touch this pole. Considering Marcus and the pick are a wash, you're basically offering filler and the ghost of Fran Vazquez for Vince Carter

I know Carter's value is down, but this is insanity.

no, it's VINSANITY! ... lol, ok..I know gay.


But this trade is not suppose to be a fair talent for talent trade. It's for a you are rebuilding, here is 16 million in expiring contracts a first round pick and a player who is coming over most likely this summer..... give us your "crippled" player and supposed fatty who can't get minutes over DA...

magicfanejc42 wrote:no, it's VINSANITY! ... lol, ok..I know gay.


But this trade is not suppose to be a fair talent for talent trade. It's for a you are rebuilding, here is 16 million in expiring contracts a first round pick and a player who is coming over most likely this summer..... give us your "crippled" player and supposed fatty who can't get minutes over DA...

You're proposing a "rebuilding" trade where arguably the best prospect is leaving NJ.

As to why Marcus hasn't been getting time. Part of it was because he was coming off of an injury, and the big reason is because the coach is a moron.

magicfanejc42 wrote:I read on Hopshype that NJ is shopping VC for expirings and or picks.. They are also shopping Williams..Who is a 6'3" PG.. Who if can get back into shape reminds me of a Deron Williams type PG.

Magic Trade

Dooling
Bogans
Arroyo
Garrity
Fran
Future First


New Jersey Trades

Vince Carter
Marcus Williams

Nelson/Williams
Carter/Redick
Lewis/Evans
Hedo/Auggie
Howard/Foyle/Gortat

Then the team can look at PG's on 10 day contracts til we fin an okay one, incase of injury..As we have now.

I know Carter is kind of on his last legs, but he is still an easy 15 ppg player, and without a large workload he can make this team a contendor.

Huh?