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i know i know theres a trade thread but this is not giving a trade idea that part is a given

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1055~45~209~264~3024~429&teams=17~17~17~17~17~19&te=&cash=

We basically by having 10 mil in expirings and a big man whos 7 mil comes off the cap just in time for lebrons opt out is the key i think.

Look at all the contenders without a PG theres Dallas, Denver, Cleveland, Boston, Lakers Houston the only thing they can give NJ is bloated contracts that dont end for years the only one close is the Lakers they have Odom and Kwame but i think the lakers need Odom to contend.

As for Orlando we are not a "Contender" yet but with the trade above we dam sure are! think for a second of what Kidd must be thinking your gonna put me on a young team that has the most dominant big man in the game basically an assist machine. Annnnd if hes bieng doubled or tripled your giving me a plethora of 3 point shooters is there a more fun place to be? Not to mention he wont pay taxes on his money! he can take his kid to Disney world everyday for the rest of his life if he brings a chip to Orlando.

Ohh and he did say in the papers a couple weeks ago Orlando will be the place to be was he hinting?

I think we got a shot thoughts?

Trade ID #4445552

i disagree...

You're crazy if you think they'll take six players for Kidd. The only chance we have at him is in a three or four-way trade, and even then we're giving up half our team.

In your scenario, you forgot to mention how the Nets go about freeing the 4 extra roster spots needed to bring in those expiring contracts.

they can just waive them and we can get them back again. Perfect!

Didnt Boston trade a bunch of people for KG? when a contract is that big thats what you have to do. They can cut whoever is not in the plans or dump lesser players. And how is it half our team 3 of the 5 guys dont even play? and the 2 PGs we send will be replaced by Kidd.

mikegraphix wrote:Didnt Boston trade a bunch of people for KG? when a contract is that big thats what you have to do. They can cut whoever is not in the plans or dump lesser players. And how is it half our team 3 of the 5 guys dont even play? and the 2 PGs we send will be replaced by Kidd.

but that was the offseason - before rosters are set.

All teams have at least 13 players & most have the full 15

Teams arent going to take multiple players for one if they can avoid it. They would have to release players & buy them out.

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but that was the offseason - before rosters are set.

All teams have at least 13 players & most have the full 15

Teams arent going to take multiple players for one if they can avoid it. They would have to release players & buy them out.

but when trading for expirings, the player doesnt really matter other than to fill up salary and expire. Usually they arent coming to be an integral part of the offense, and waiving expirings happens all the time (see the Magic when they traded for Penny and released him automatically).

we arent ging to get Kidd in any trade trust me ...putting all this Kidd trades are crazy IMO ........

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but when trading for expirings, the player doesnt really matter other than to fill up salary and expire. Usually they arent coming to be an integral part of the offense, and waiving expirings happens all the time (see the Magic when they traded for Penny and released him automatically).

It could work - especially if Magic kick i $3 million to cover some of those salaries.

If Nets want Ben Wallace, you can ship some of the players to the Bulls & they can ship Wallace to NJ in a 3 way. Nets wouldnt normally take Wallace for Kidd, but they cant afford an unhappy Kidd hanging around & may do it as a last resort.

Its just that the real problem with the Nets is they brought Brian Hill back as an assistant.

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It could work - especially if Magic kick i $3 million to cover some of those salaries.

If Nets want Ben Wallace, you can ship some of the players to the Bulls & they can ship Wallace to NJ in a 3 way. Nets wouldnt normally take Wallace for Kidd, but they cant afford an unhappy Kidd hanging around & may do it as a last resort.

I just dont see ther Nets giving up Kidd for Wallace. I think they would rather keep an unhappy Kidd than a flamed out Wallace.

And the Nets are gonna somehow take 6 of our trash players during the season for Kidd? It aint gonna happen. There arent enough rosters spots available to make such a move during the season.

hasnt Otis said over and over that we arent interested in quick fixes/aged veterans like Webber, PJ and Kidd. He has specifically named each of those players. I dont see any of them wanting to play for a GM that calls them old.

I know Otis likes Nelson, I do too, but who better to teach him how to play the pg better than Jason Kidd? He'd be a great tutor for Jameer. A couple years behind him and he'd be a much better starter in a year or 2.

dwightmeer wrote:hasnt Otis said over and over that we arent interested in quick fixes/aged veterans like Webber, PJ and Kidd. He has specifically named each of those players. I dont see any of them wanting to play for a GM that calls them old.

It all depends on what we'd have to trade to get Kidd. I think Otis was saying if we had to trade Hedo to get JKidd, then it would be an attempt to improve the team in the short term, and that's what he'd be against.

However, if we were able to give up only expirings (don't think so) and JJ, then we would still have our core pieces in place and be building for short term and the future.

Perhaps we can get a 3-way trade worked out for this to happen, but I don't think it's likely, given Kidd's contract - 19 this year and 20 next.

Now do you finally see why it matters overpaying Rashard? For all of you saying it doesn't matter we wouldn't have cap space anyway this is a perfect example.

If Rashard was even remotely tradeable by his contract you could do the trade in a heartbeat. Don't know if you would want to for Kidd but change the names. Gilbert, Kobe, lebron . extreme superstar names yes but to that we could add packages of two solid players or a good player with a first round pick yada, yada yada. The world is yours when you have good players signed for the right amount. You can wheel and deal.

Instead mostly all you can do is sit and watch. Who would have thunk the Nets would be in break up and rebuild mode this year.

RoBo02 wrote:In your scenario, you forgot to mention how the Nets go about freeing the 4 extra roster spots needed to bring in those expiring contracts.

NJ has only 13 player contracts.

If he were to make it

SG JJ Redick
PG Carlos Arroyo
F/C Tony Battie
G Keyon Dooling
PF Pat Garrity
plus cash, 1 or 2 draft picks, and or rights to PF Fran Vazquez.

FOR

PG Jason Kidd
PG Darrall Armstrong
and PF Malik Allen

Then the trade fits both roster spots available AND salary reqirements. Sending cash helps them with the waiving of whichever crap they want to cut loose. Thats a lot of expiring money plus a cheap contract in JJ and a reasonable one in Battie.


AS FOR LINEUPS...

SG Jameer Nelson (Plays as SG, Defends the PG)
PG Jason Kidd (Plays PG, Defends the SG)
SF Hedo Turkoglu
PF Rashard Lewis
C Dwight Howard

PG Darall Armstrong
SG Keith Bogans
SF Mo Evans
PF Brian Cook
C Adonal Foyle

I don't think the Nets give a rats a** about the size of contracts . They have three large contracts . Why would it bother them to trade one for the other . Shard would never be involved in a trade for Kidd but I don't think his contract would stop the Nets . Alot of teams it would , but not the Nets