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I've made up my mind about SVG. I don't like him.

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I've made up my mind about SVG. I don't like him. 

Post#1 » by Happyfoosball » Thu Feb 7, 2008 5:10 pm

I think he's a really good x's and o's coach. I really do, and I think he's done a good job with time outs and he's shown good emotion on the sidelines this year at times at least. But the way he treats his players irks me. People write articles about how Orlando players don't listen to him, well why should they? Why should they be confident in him when he shows no confidence in them. He continues to punish players with DNP's. When he was just doing ti to J.J I could understand. But when Nelson got hit with several DNP's the red flag went up for me. I asked myself two questions, was Nelson playing well enough to start? And, was he playing well enough to come off the bench? The answer to the first question was touchy, leaning towards no. But the answer to the second question was a defeinitive yes. I mean it shouldn't even be asked. By not playing him, he showed him that he doesn't believe in him. It KILLS a players confidence. Everyone goes through slumps. I don't care who you are. He's gotta let guys play through them. He also has to settle on a rotation and stick with it. An nba coach can't change his starting guards every two weeks and expect to have any success in the nba playoffs. It just won't happen.

I know the team is better, but I think that has more to do with having Lewis and Turk in the lineup then it does with having SVG at coach. I think with Brian Hill Orlando's not doing much worse then they are, mabye even a little bit better. I wasn't the biggest Brian Hill fan either. I should also tell you guys, i'm a Giants fan. I watched them all year and their coach stuck with them through the bad times. He didn't make big lineup changes when they struggled and they did struggle big time at the start of the season and at the half way point. And look at them now. Right now I see Orlando as mabye a team that wins in the first round but no way do can they play with Detriot or Boston. Just no way. Not with only 3 guys getting consistent minutes.
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Post#2 » by magickingdom » Thu Feb 7, 2008 5:18 pm

How can you come to that conclusion, when all you see of Him is a few flashes on TV? We only know what we hear about Him on TV? And we have not heard any of the players with anything bad to say about Him.
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Re: I've made up my mind about SVG. I don't like him. 

Post#3 » by drsd » Thu Feb 7, 2008 5:20 pm

Happyfoosball wrote:I think he's a really good x's and o's coach. I really do, and I think he's done a good job with time outs and he's shown good emotion on the sidelines this year at times at least.


These are the key abilities of a coach. Players like to win; a winning team can swallow a lot of poop.

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Post#4 » by Big A All Day » Thu Feb 7, 2008 5:21 pm

How did it hurt jameers confidince when he came off the bench yesterday and looked like a madman? :crazy: plus you dont know how hurt his foot really was. im sure it was atleast a little worse than they at 1st let on it 2 be. why do people complain when we are winning? i mean we handled the nets last night just like we were supposed 2 right? then stop running ur gumz. the only complaint i can see that is valid is that dwight needs more touchs in the low post but even that is a mute point when WE WIN.
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Post#5 » by Last Guardian » Thu Feb 7, 2008 5:22 pm

I don't agree. He is a demanding coach but he has gotten the best out of a lot the players on this team. Nelson, he was just giving him a wake up call, and look how he responded. SVG is determined to get this team to defend and play with energy at all times.
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Post#6 » by Gerhalt11 » Thu Feb 7, 2008 5:22 pm

Trying to figure out a seven-guard rotation has nothing to do with how well you "treat" your players. We have one of best front courts in the NBA, but also one of the worst back courts. If we could get consistent play out of TWO of the seven guards, SVG wouldn't have to be making these decisions in the first place.

I feel for Jameer, I do. But I was so sick of Brian Hill putting the feelings of his players before the success of his team. SVG doesn't take crap. He calls out his players when they fail and rewards them when they succeed, and the result is our best record at the All-Star break in ten years. How can that possibly be a bad thing?
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Post#7 » by Max Power » Thu Feb 7, 2008 5:23 pm

Hey man, it's a long season. Jameer was tentative as hell his first couple games back. I think it did him good. Orlando isn't a contender yet no, but come on we're right on the cusp, it'll happen. Boston and Detroit are older teams, we are a young team, so naturally we'll elevate beyond both at some point.

Having Turk and Lewis a primary reason for the improvement, but Van Gundy is thee primary reason. Brian Hill would have these guys prodding down the court at a snails pace, SVG has developed a system based on his talent. Van Gundy has been worth his weight in gold.

I respect your opinion on this, but maybe just maybe your expectations are a little too high Happy. We've made great progress this year, and it's Van Gundy who's spearheading it.
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Post#8 » by TheRevTy » Thu Feb 7, 2008 5:31 pm

Here's my take on it:

Stan knows what a rotation is. He knows you can't play every person on the roster and have any sort of consistency. However, he is not good at looking at a roster, and immediately knowing what the rotation should be. Look at how he started his first year with the Heat. They went 5-15 before he figured out the best starting 5, and they exploded from there. Interestingly, this was also with a SF to PF conversion (Lamar Odom). What Stan is doing no is tinkering until he finds just the right rotation, which means certain players will not play. You cannot play 3 PG's in a game and get away with it. Look at Seattle and Portland, who both have a 3-headed PG monster. Even if they play all 3, one of them will play primarily SG (Sergio for Portland, Delonte for Seattle).

As for the Jameer DNP's, Stan said that coaches are superstitious. If you get on a good run, you don't change anything. That means that when Jameer got injured, and we went on a run, he would sit until that run ended. That makes sense to me. It says nothing of his confidence in Jameer. Did Belichek show no confidence in Bledsoe when he played Brady after Bledsoe got injured? No, he went with what was working.

Now, Jameer is back. JJ will get PT if we go on a losing streak. Stan just wants consistency. You can't have consistency if the lineup isn't consistent.
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Post#9 » by magicman123 » Thu Feb 7, 2008 5:31 pm

i think everyone in here, will be happy with a playoff series win...with brian hill, he had the same consistant rotation, every game no matter what, we could predict the next move,how did that go? players didnt like him.....we dont have the best backcourt in the league, stan substitutes players on what he thinks is the best situation at the time, we got the 3rd best record in the east, 32-19..
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Post#10 » by jamlando » Thu Feb 7, 2008 5:31 pm

This post should be locked, guy you're crazy and you will be shot down.
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Post#11 » by Optimus_Steel » Thu Feb 7, 2008 5:32 pm

I've made up my mind about SVG. I like him (no homo).

BTW, i dont have a problem with Stan benching a player to send a message. All players are different, and some players need to get that message the hard way. I also dont have a problem with him changing the rotation. Does anyone remember stubborn man "I wont change anything" Brian Hill? Stan is coaching, he is being proactive. Thats good coaching.
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Post#12 » by weezt0e » Thu Feb 7, 2008 5:42 pm

I just see SVG trying to work with what is obviously an incomplete and wacky roster.... and doing fairly well with it.
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Post#13 » by The Letter J » Thu Feb 7, 2008 6:04 pm

Happyfoosball wrote:I think with Brian Hill Orlando's not doing much worse then they are, mabye even a little bit better.

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Post#14 » by Typhoon20 » Thu Feb 7, 2008 6:20 pm

So you'd prefer Brian Hill ?
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Post#15 » by Optimus_Steel » Thu Feb 7, 2008 6:21 pm

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Wow i cant believe i missed that part. We might have a better record if Brian Hill was on still on board???? LMAO. :rofl:
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Post#16 » by MagicNolesFSU » Thu Feb 7, 2008 6:40 pm

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nah dude youve earned a -100 game over for you just turn your system off.
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Post#17 » by locomagicfan » Thu Feb 7, 2008 6:41 pm

Plain and Simple: SVG has gotten out of TURK what no coach has been able to in his 7 year career.

That alone tells me he is a good coach.
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Post#18 » by EasternMagic » Thu Feb 7, 2008 6:48 pm

your reaction to stan seems uneducated, biased, and based on paper thin logic. jameer was banged up and carlos and dooling were playing good and obviously jameers confidence didnt go down did you see his numbers last night? 11 8 and 5. And we have 7 gaurds right now hes trying to make the best combo. so basically you are wrong
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Post#19 » by Big A All Day » Thu Feb 7, 2008 6:51 pm

[quote="prorl"]I've made up my mind about SVG. I like him (no homo).
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:rofl: :rofl: I 2nd this. :rofl: :rofl:
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Post#20 » by Devin 1L » Thu Feb 7, 2008 6:57 pm

Happy, I've got to say, I disagree with pretty much everything you said in that post.

Also, since I've got to mention it somehow at least like twice a year, I can't help but laugh at the irony of this being the first time that we realistically look to be a 50-win team, and now you're complaining about the coach.

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