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Bulls send BWallace to Orlando, noc to SA

SA sends Elson and Barry to Chicago, rights to splitter or #1 to Orlando

Orlando sends battie, garrity and arroyo or dooling (their choice, both work) to bulls

SA-get PERFECT player for them. Pop would love him, duncan too (mano-of course). He could be their difference maker. He's doing too much for the bulls now, but is smart and tough. Barry and elson are expendable, splitter or #1 (more probable the #1 or rights to Mahani) the cost

Drawback-more future salary, but they can cut it. This saves them $50,000 this year

Orlando gets a big to back up 3 positions (since hedo and lewis are really 3 men). Wallace wants "to roam"-perfect with Howard. They also get a pick. They lose nothing here except for the minor detail of ben's contract

Bulls dump wallace, cost is Noc (who is more expendable with Thabo coming on). This frees up A TON of $ and minutes for our young core

dflaschberger wrote:You have any interest?
Bulls send BWallace to Orlando, noc to SA

SA sends Elson and Barry to Chicago, rights to splitter or #1 to Orlando

Orlando sends battie, garrity and arroyo or dooling (their choice, both work) to bulls

SA-get PERFECT player for them. Pop would love him, duncan too (mano-of course). He could be their difference maker. He's doing too much for the bulls now, but is smart and tough. Barry and elson are expendable, splitter or #1 (more probable the #1 or rights to Mahani) the cost

Drawback-more future salary, but they can cut it. This saves them $50,000 this year

Orlando gets a big to back up 3 positions (since hedo and lewis are really 3 men). Wallace wants "to roam"-perfect with Howard. They also get a pick. They lose nothing here except for the minor detail of ben's contract .

Bulls dump wallace, cost is Noc (who is more expendable with Thabo coming on). This frees up A TON of $ and minutes for our young core

Minor detail...........

GET BIG BEN AWAY FROM THIS TEAM!!

And we'd want Noc.

the spurs wouldn't be that far off from building the 2004 argentina national team. oberto, nocioni, and manu. god talk about a flop fest.

" They lose nothing here except for the minor detail of ben's contract . "

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Minor detail...........

LMAO!

I like it. Wallace' contract isn't that bad. Its only for three more years at 15/14.5/14, plus he's offering a pick in there as well for only Battie and expiring contracts. I'd like it more if we could somehow get Thabo in there instead of the pick though, but a first rounder is still a good deal. He's not my first choice by any means, but to get a guy that can rebound and defend like Ben, although declining admittedly, would definitely propel us deep into the playoffs. If this was announced tomorrow, can anyone truly say that they would be that unhappy about it? Its not a Pau Gasol steal like the Lakers got, but its still decent.

no way

I'll take Battie over Wallace. Battie can shoot a 15-footer.

spinedoc wrote:I like it. Wallace' contract isn't that bad. Its only for three more years at 15/14.5/14, plus he's offering a pick in there as well for only Battie and expiring contracts. I'd like it more if we could somehow get Thabo in there instead of the pick though, but a first rounder is still a good deal. He's not my first choice by any means, but to get a guy that can rebound and defend like Ben, although declining admittedly, would definitely propel us deep into the playoffs. If this was announced tomorrow, can anyone truly say that they would be that unhappy about it? Its not a Pau Gasol steal like the Lakers got, but its still decent.

It is REALLY bad when that much money gets you 5 pts and 5 rebs.

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It is REALLY bad when that much money gets you 5 pts and 5 rebs.

Yeah, in Chicago he's averaging those poor numbers. But don't you think that is more of the result of the makeup of that team? He was brought in to be their only big time post presence, he's clearly not suited for that type of role. The players they have are all young and still learning, leaving him as the only veteran presence, with the exception of Joe Smith now.

Look, I'm no Ben apologist, but to get him for absolutely nothing and get a draft pick on top of that would be worth it imo. He needs to play alongside of another dominant big body for him to be effective. He does not have that over there. We basically rent him, yes at a high cost, for only two years. His final year he turns out to be a different type of asset because he would be expiring at 14M. If we could pry one of their young guns or a draft pick, or even both, then we should look into it. He would do so much better next to Dwight. Don't get too caught up in the numbers game. It doesn't always tell the whole story.

okay looking back at this it doesnt look that bad to get him and a pick while getting rid of some garrity arroyo and battie, but still his salary is huge and he hasnt proven to be the player he used to be. could he really help us that much?

The Magic should look at Wallace.

He could fill that enforcer type role that Oakley did for years.

It would depend on the cost......but if being over the salary cap is not a problem for ownership, than why not?

craig01 wrote:The Magic should look at Wallace.

He could fill that enforcer type role that Oakley did for years.

It would depend on the cost......but if being over the salary cap is not a problem for ownership, than why not?

An enforcer is all you'd get out of Wallace, though, and for the dollars we'd pay to have him, you have to get some production out of him. We need a reliable big with a servicable jump shot who can spread the interior for Dwight. Wallace meets exactly zero of those criteria.

SA fans won't send splitter's rights, but seem to agree that a #1 is fair to you guys.

I would throw in the bulls #1 with top 17 protection or top 10 protection plus the rights to Fran (not sure of his status?)

I HONESTLY believe that wallace would be much better for you guys with Dwight. We need the $ to sign ben and deng. Thabo is staying too.



I'm sure Joe Smith would interest you a lot. However, we need him for the playoffs. If we keep sucking, you might be able to get him, but with the deadline approaching, we still have hopes to make a push and we'll need his shooting to upset Detroit or you guys

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An enforcer is all you'd get out of Wallace, though, and for the dollars we'd pay to have him, you have to get some production out of him. We need a reliable big with a servicable jump shot who can spread the interior for Dwight. Wallace meets exactly zero of those criteria.

Disagree.

Howard and the Magic need defensive help from a physical standpoint more than anything else. Especially come playoff time.

This team does not need another jump shooter. Wallace can provide a physical presence with Howard's help for several years.

A motivated Wallace would complement Howard, and I'm sure that SVG would motivate him to a better performance.

The game is 48 minutes long.

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Disagree.

Howard and the Magic need defensive help from a physical standpoint more than anything else. Especially come playoff time.

This team does not need another jump shooter. Wallace can provide a physical presence with Howard's help for several years.

A motivated Wallace would complement Howard, and I'm sure that SVG would motivate him to a better performance.

The game is 48 minutes long.

All true, but you don't get that in the amount you'd expect for the dollars you're paying for Ben Wallace. If I want a Charles Oakley-type player, then I want to pay Charles Oakley-type money for him. We'd be absorbing a massive contract through 2010, which could be spent more appropriately on improving our backcourt. If I'm going to overpay someone, as we tend to do, I want it to improve a glaring weakness. And our lack of defense in our frontcourt is not as detremental as our lack of everything in our backcourt.

A motivated and overpaid Wallace would add more to this team than almost any wing player.

I agree that the overall backcourt is miserable as a whole, but "that" deficiency would be much less of one with a dominant defensive front court.

This team needs help up front, first and foremost, if it wants to compete on an elite level. Another 2G or even adding Jason Kidd still does not make this an elite playoff team.

A motivated Ben Wallace does, ImO.

craig01 wrote:A motivated and overpaid Wallace would add more to this team than almost any wing player.

I agree that the overall backcourt is miserable as a whole, but "that" deficiency would be much less of one with a dominant defensive front court.

This team needs help up front, first and foremost, if it wants to compete on an elite level. Another 2G or even adding Jason Kidd still does not make this an elite playoff team.

A motivated Ben Wallace does, ImO.

Too bad there's no way to guarantee him being motivated after a trade.

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Too bad there's no way to guarantee him being motivated after a trade.

I think Wallace benefits from a change of scenery.

First, he was expected to provide too much when the Bulls gave him that contract. He already started his decline as a producer before leaving Detroit.

Second, he was spoiled in Detroit, and was a profiteer in production off of his veteran teammates.

Third, the pairing of Skiles and Wallace was akin to mixing oil and water. Add to it the inexperienced core of players he was teamed with.

I just think the pairing of what was a defensive force with a soon to be a defensive force is too enticing to pass up. He's got 2 years left on the contract.

It shouldn't be about money with the Magic (i.e. Lewis signing), as overpaying players is a Magic trademark. He'd be joining a young but veteran team in Orlando.

His mindset would almost absolutely be focused.

i'd add Wallace and absorb his contract, but that kind of favour requires something extra in return. i'd like to see Duhon added to that list and maybe Tyrus Thomas (if we added Fran's rights + a 2nd rounder?)

but if that's being too greedy i'd settle for just Duhon.