Orlando/Seattle Trade

pr0wler · Post #1 » by **pr0wler** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:08 am

From a Magic's fan perspective...

Orlando Trades:

Keyon Dooling
Pat Garrity
Carlos Arroyo
JJ Redick
2008 1st Round Draft Choice

Seattle Trades:

Kurt Thomas
Earl Watson

Orlando

PG - Nelson/Watson
SG - Evans/Bogans
SF - Turkoglu/Lewis
PF - Lewis/Thomas
C - Howard/Foyle

Seattle

PG - Ridnour/West
SG - Durant/Szczerbiak/Redick
SF - Green/Durant
PF - Wilcox/Collison/Green
C - Swift/Petro/Collison

Why for Orlando?

Getting Earl Watson as a solid backup is exactly what Orlando needs. A pass first, solid defensive minded guy behind Nelson for about 20 minutes a game will pay major dividends. In addition, Kurt Thomas fills out the thin front court rotation of the Magic. He's a great compliment to a guy like Turkoglu or Lewis, who doesn't mind doing the dirty work those 2 players won't. In return, they lose their expiring contracts, JJ Redick (who isn't playing anyways) and a 1st rounder which won't even be that high anyway.

Why for Seattle?

It is believed that Watson is being showcased for the trade deadline. Since the consensus is that the Sonics will try to get there hands on Rose, or at worst Bayless - dealing Watson makes sense. Kurt Thomas has been great for the Sonics thus far but he won't be in the future plans due to his age and age alone. Might as well deal him to Orlando and get the same fiscal savings in return. Presti likes stockpiling those draft picks, giving Seattle a total of 3 first rounders and 4 second rounders in 2008. The Sonics also get a free look at Redick who could turn out to be a Steve Kerr like player - just not in Orlando.

Post #2 » by **SOUL** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:24 am

I'd do it minus either Redick or Dooling (most likely keeping Dooling). I don't know too much about Watson but we'd be short a pg with both Arroyo/Dooling gone (obviously can pick up a FA, but Nelson/Dooling/Arroyo is better than Nelson/Watson/Crappy FA IMO), and I dont know if hes that much better than Dooling.

But hey, IDK. I like Kurt. People will think that we can get way better than this but nobody really knows.

Jiwol · Post #3 » by **Jiwol** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:40 am

Nothing personal Pr0wler, but I'm so sick and tired of those trade threads already. I can't wait till the deadline so we can get it over with...

cedric76 · Post #4 » by **cedric76** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:41 am

nope

we need dooling for play off

reddog4720 · Post #5 » by **reddog4720** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:27 pm

Our 1st Round pick can not be traded. The league forbids a team to not have picks in the draft two years in a row.

Plus, Seattle is trying to cut salary to rebuild, so they wouldn't part with expiring Kurt Thomas.

I see them trying to unload Ridnour. That being hard to do he'll have to be packaged with Wilcox to even sound attractive to a team.

A Wilcox/Ridnour trade could probably get done for Arroyo/Garrity/Bogans/Augistine

Seattle will probably bite themselves for losing Wilcox but they'd be shedding Ridnour's contract and they'd be in a serious contending spot for FA.

I see this as a slight upgrade for us. Wilcox is exactly what this team needs however, Ridnour would be 2 more years after this of Arroyo like play. Keeping Dooling out of the trade allows him to fill in for both PG and SG spots for the void left by Bogans.

It seems like a no brainer....so that means it won't happen.

BoricuaBoi · Post #6 » by **BoricuaBoi** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:29 pm

i posted this awhile ago, seattle would probably do this trade just for arroyo and JJ. keep dooling we need him, and give me west instead of watson hes basically jameer brother. plus west and nelson just like back in college.

theTHIEF · Post #7 » by **theTHIEF** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:31 pm

Orlando just gives up too much in this deal...Kurt Thomas and Watson are not worth a 1st rounder, nor are they worth a 1st and Redick as well as 3 expirings...it's not a smart deal for Orlando, not in the least. Otis would never pull the trigger on that deal because it "doesn't make sense"

MoGrAdY · Post #8 » by **MoGrAdY** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:01 pm

Seattle got 1st round picks just to take KT, now they want them in return? I like the general idea but we give up too much.

theTHIEF · Post #9 » by **theTHIEF** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:02 pm

and the notion that Seattle needs or wants more 1st rounders is crazy...Kevin Durant will be surrounded by rookies for the rest of his days in Seattle...

Det the Threat · Post #10 » by **Det the Threat** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:44 pm

reddog4720 wrote:Our 1st Round pick can not be traded. The league forbids a team to not have picks in the draft two years in a row.

Wrong.
As the 2007 nba draft is over, you're able to trade your 2008 1st round pick.

Though, you couldn't trade your 2008 and 2009 1st round picks, because of what you're talking about.

reddog4720 wrote:Plus, Seattle is trying to cut salary to rebuild, so they wouldn't part with expiring Kurt Thomas.

It wouldn't be a problem if it rids us of Earl Watson's or Luke Ridnour's contract.

reddog4720 wrote:I see them trying to unload Ridnour. That being hard to do he'll have to be packaged with Wilcox to even sound attractive to a team.

A Wilcox/Ridnour trade could probably get done for Arroyo/Garrity/Bogans/Augistine

Seattle will probably bite themselves for losing Wilcox but they'd be shedding Ridnour's contract and they'd be in a serious contending spot for FA.

Chris Wilcox is not going to be thrown away just to get rid of Luke Ridnour's or Earl Watson's contract's that run till 2010.

So no, a Wilcox/Ridnour for your expiring crap deal is not going to happen and it also wouldn't make us serious contenders during free agency(which is an overpaying crap shot anyways), as Wally Szczerbiak's deal would still count against our cap.

reddog4720 wrote:It seems like a no brainer....so that means it won't happen.

It would only be a no brainer for you guys and not for the Sonics and that's why it would never happen...

EasternMagic · Post #11 » by **EasternMagic** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:53 pm

i dont really see how those two players are worth all your giving them

The Letter J · Post #12 » by **The Letter J** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:55 pm

Det the Threat wrote:It would only be a no brainer for you guys and not for the Sonics and that's why it would never happen...

Everything you posted is true except for this.

In this trade we are essentially trading expirings. We aren't going to take Watson's salary off of your hands and then in turn give you JJ and a 1st for a PF rental. You can forget about that. That's why it won't happen. If we are going to trade away expirings/young talent/first round pick you can bet that we'd go the extra step and include something else worth while in order to get an actual starting caliber PG or a PF that is going to be here for a while.

reddog4720 · Post #13 » by **reddog4720** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:56 pm

I stand corrected about the draft picks but you'd be crazy not to shed a contract that is going through 2010 like Ridnour. Getting rid of $13 in contracts to get you to a rough $41mil of cap for next FA.....That seems like a pretty big player.

This would put you in a position to play for Elton Brand and draft a young PG to play under Watson. Wally's contract will be the ultimate trade bate next year.

Det the Threat · Post #14 » by **Det the Threat** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:08 pm

The Letter J wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Everything you posted is true except for this.

In this trade we are essentially trading expirings. We aren't going to take Watson's salary off of your hands and then in turn give you JJ and a 1st for a PF rental. You can forget about that. That's why it won't happen. If we are going to trade away expirings/young talent/first round pick you can bet that we'd go the extra step and include something else worth while in order to get an actual starting caliber PG or a PF that is going to be here for a while.

I did not make that trade proposal.
I'm realistic enough to not believe that a Watson/Thomas package would net us expirings, Redick and a 1st round pick.

Though, i do believe that a Thomas/Watson or Ridnour package should net us your expirings.

reddog4720 wrote:I stand corrected about the draft picks but you'd be crazy not to shed a contract that is going through 2010 like Ridnour. Getting rid of $13 in contracts to get you to a rough $41mil of cap for next FA.....That seems like a pretty big player.

This would put you in a position to play for Elton Brand and draft a young PG to play under Watson. Wally's contract will be the ultimate trade bate next year.

1) You do not stand correct about that draft picks, as the Orlando Magic are able to trade their 2008 1st round pick, since the 2007 nba draft is over.

2) Like i said above, i did not make that proposal and do not think that we should receive Redick and your 1st round pick on top of those expiring contracts.

3) Yes, we're crazy enough not to throw away Chris Wilcox, just to save a couple of dollars, cause he's a solid pf in this league and should only be traded for an upgrade.

All things considered, the Sonics are either able to get rid of Watson's or Ridnour's contract while trading Kurt Thomas or they just won't do anything at all, this season. Watson and Ridnour will also be easier to trade this summer, when there are only 2 more years left on their contracts.

mhectorgato · Post #15 » by **mhectorgato** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:09 pm

thEthIEf wrote:Orlando just gives up too much in this deal...Kurt Thomas and Watson are not worth a 1st rounder, nor are they worth a 1st and Redick as well as 3 expirings...it's not a smart deal for Orlando, not in the least. Otis would never pull the trigger on that deal because it "doesn't make sense"

The Letter J · Post #16 » by **The Letter J** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:25 pm

Det the Threat wrote:I did not make that trade proposal.
I'm realistic enough to not believe that a Watson/Thomas package would net us expirings, Redick and a 1st round pick.

Though, i do believe that a Thomas/Watson or Ridnour package should net us your expirings.

I never said that you made the proposal. You did say the original deal is a no-brainer for us and that isn't true. Now you are saying that Watson/Thomas would not be enough for expirings, Redick and a 1st round pick. Which one is it?

I'll agree that your proposal of expirings/Watson for our expirings is more likely.

Det the Threat · Post #17 » by **Det the Threat** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:28 pm

The Letter J wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I never said that you made the proposal. You did say the original deal is a no-brainer for us and that isn't true. Now you are saying that Watson/Thomas would not be enough for expirings, Redick and a 1st round pick. Which one is it?

I'll agree that your proposal of expirings/Watson for our expirings is more likely.

I also never said that the original deal is a no-brainer for you guys.
I was quoting reddog4720's proposed deal of Wilcox/Watson for only your expirings.

The Letter J · Post #18 » by **The Letter J** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:33 pm

Det the Threat wrote:I also never said that the original deal is a no-brainer for you guys.
I was quoting reddog4720's proposed deal of Wilcox/Watson for only your expirings.

My bad.

reddog4720 · Post #19 » by **reddog4720** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:58 pm

1) You do not stand correct about that draft picks, as the Orlando Magic are able to trade their 2008 1st round pick, since the 2007 nba draft is over.

I stand corrected means, I admit you were right.

Settle down. It was just a fun trade proposal. We do them alot on this board.

Happyfoosball · Post #20 » by **Happyfoosball** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:02 pm

I think it's a bandaid, and not a very good one.