Start Carlos Arroyo Already!!!

[kickerboy10]

I don't care how much you people hate him but the fact is when he started we won about 9 of 10 of our games. Ever since Nelson has come back we have went only 2 and 3. Overall Carlos is just a better PG. He knows how to run a offense and give it to the players when they need it to make the best play possible. Nelson runs around like a lose cannon and when he jumps near the basket gets caught in the air and then has to do an emergency kick out cuz he dont know where the hell to go and ends up turning it over.

[huge4]

Carlos may be better than Jameer, but let's not go overboard by saying he knows how to run an offense or get the pill to players when they need it. IMO they're both passable backups at best.

If you were an opposing coach scouting this team, what weakness would you exploit. Carlos or Jameer, its pretty clear our starting backcourt is the achilies heel of this squad.

[MagicMadness]

I'm not going to get into yet another Nelson/Arroyo debate, but keep this in mind - during the stretch of games that Arroyo started in, the Magic were mostly playing sub-par teams.

[magicfan4life05]

diener>arroyo/nelson

seriously, if he was still here, would he start?

[magicfanejc42]

wow, are you serious? Jameer is playing well, we lost one game because Dwight didn't bring it. and the games that Arroyo helped win were against bad teams and at the end Arroyo's effectivness on the court was just as important as my poop..

The Magic are playing well right now, and so is Jameer, there is no need to screw around anymore.

[MagicFan149]

dwight didnt have dwight like games for a lil stretch which coinsided with jameer starting... neither jameer or carlos should start .... but jameer is more consistent.

[MagicMadness]

diener>arroyo/nelson

seriously, if he was still here, would he start?

Probably not, but a Nelson/Diener tandem >>> Nelson/Arroyo one.

[MagicFan149]

diener>arroyo/nelson

seriously, if he was still here, would he start?

ive thought about that ... he hits the three and keeps the ball moving ... only question can diener defend better than them?? if he could at least match there d i think he would be starting right now... oh well ...

[Hairy Midget]

l o l

[Cammo101]

Carlos' good record run at starter came against bad teams, Jameer took over and since we have played Dallas, LA, Denver, and Cleveland. Arroyo is the odd man out and should stay the #3 PG IMO.

[PimpORL]

I don't care anymore. Trade both. Jameer has his problems defensively because he's so short and Arroyo is just horrible at everything.

edit - and get your facts straight. We were 7-2 with Arroyo, and none were because of his play. He just flat out sucks.

[jamlando]

If Arroyo was so good why is Dooling getting all the backup minutes? When Arroyo was starting, Dooling played most of the PG minutes. Arroyo played at the beginning of games & during the times that Dooling needed to rest. SVG splits time between Nelson & Dooling.

[Cammo101]

If Arroyo was so good why is Dooling getting all the backup minutes? When Arroyo was starting, Dooling played most of the PG minutes. Arroyo played at the beginning of games & during the times that Dooling needed to rest. SVG splits time between Nelson & Dooling.

Dooling is getting the backup minutes because he is the perfect change of pace PG to Arroyo or Jameer. He is the big strong defending PG that we have to use if our starting PG is gonna be small and a bad defender. Keyon is the Cooler for other teams PG's.

[magicman123]

dooling was >>>> arroyo when arroyo started...dooling was a bigger facter then #30, arroyo is playing great right now though

[jamlando]

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Dooling is getting the backup minutes because he is the perfect change of pace PG to Arroyo or Jameer. He is the big strong defending PG that we have to use if our starting PG is gonna be small and a bad defender. Keyon is the Cooler for other teams PG's.

I understand Dooling's role. My point is that if Arroyo was any good, he'd at least get into the rotation of back up minutes.

[Last Guardian]

SVG doesn't agree. And neither do I. Arroyo gets too much hateful comments but lets be honest, he isn't good. He can't rebound, defend, attack the basket or run an offense. If his jumpshot isn't going in he has no use to be out there on the floor. At least Jameer can rebound and attack the basket and kick out to shooters. The latter is quite important considering how much of a weapon the 3 point shooting is.

In fact when Arroyo was starting, didn't everyone notice that Hedo had to run the offense.

[AdamTheGreek]

As long as Keyon is giving great effort and Jameer is dishing, Arroyo can keep his a** on the bench.

[mrtcsm]

SVG doesn't agree. And neither do I. Arroyo gets too much hateful comments but lets be honest, he isn't good. He can't rebound, defend, attack the basket or run an offense. If his jumpshot isn't going in he has no use to be out there on the floor. At least Jameer can rebound and attack the basket and kick out to shooters. The latter is quite important considering how much of a weapon the 3 point shooting is.

In fact when Arroyo was starting, didn't everyone notice that Hedo had to run the offense.

When Arroyo has started for the Magic he has done a great job distributing the ball and limiting his shots to wide open jumpers and maybe forced a few drives to the basket but just because the shot clock was running down and he had to create. Meanwhile Jameer is ALWAYS lost in the offense and he frequently goes to drive the basket early in the shot clock, not even knowing where his shooters are. Then he jumps as if to take a jumper but in the air tries to find a teammate and makes some stupid decisions. I was in the Denver game last Wednesday and he got lucky a few times driving the basket because Marcus hesitated for the block since Jameer was driving a step to the basket then stopped, then two steps forward, then stopped, then a step back and then full throttle to the basket and made a layup (which is not bad), but he clearly didn't knew what offense he was running (maybe it was called: "Meer hesitation to the Hole"). I really don't think Jameer is the answer and the Magic are 2-2 with him in the lineup, while they were 7-2 with Carlos (in the last 13 games the Magic have played). I don't care whether we beat the Grizzlies or the Nuggets, a WIN is a WIN and a loss is a loss. I would be really disappointed with the Magic if they get rid of Carlos thinking Jameer holds their future. I think Otis know he committed a big mistake when giving Meer that contract, and I think he is just playing the cards he is forced to play. And if Hedo is running the offense late in games is because Stan wants him to, not because Carlos, Jameer or Keyon aren't capable of doing it; besides, it has proven to be a success to give Hero Turkouglu the ball late in games and let him create off the dribble with a high pick and roll from D12. Let's just hope Meer goes back to the bench and Carlos gets back in the rotation which will hopefully lead us to a 53-29 record, or stay with Meer as the starting PG and watch us fall to 47-35; which will be the difference between the third and the fourth seed in the East!

[MagicFan149]

so carlos is 6 games over at 7-2. there were 4 teams above .500
meer is 7 games over at 26-19. there were 22 (about) teams above .500

so all this carlos is 7-2 stuff needs to stop .... 48% of the games meer has played were against teams above .500. 44% of carlos' were against teams above .500. they are relatively close when they both play good ... meer is just more consistent.... carlos cant play 10 games in a row good let alone a whole season

these numbers are not exact ...

[drsd]

Well, the Magic won games when Arroyo was starting, but he is NOT better than Nelson. And, Dooling is as a comboguard better of the bench. Arroyo needs to be the 3rd bench guy.

That won't change over the next 28, barring injury.