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I'm not too familiar with the whole salary cap situation...

But if we don't sign

Carlos, Kebo, Keyon, Evans, Foyle and Garrity

Would we have enough to sign an all star to the max (the only one who might be worth it is Arenas)
and fill the rest of the roster with cheap vets who want to win a championship?

Or will Dwight and Jameers Contract kick in and eat all our cap space?

Starters

Dwight (c)
Battie (pf)
Shard (sf)
Arenas (pg)
JJ (sg)

Bench

Jameer (pg)
Hedo (sf / point forward)
Cook (pf)
Foyle (center)
Gortat (water boy)

pgs (meer, arenas, hedo as point fwrd)
sg (JJ, Arenas, cheap free agent)
sf (hedo, shard)
Center (Dwight, Foyle, Gortat)
PF (Battie, Cook, Gortat)

We'd be thin at shooting guard and would need a 3rd sf to cover in case anything happens to Shard or Hedo)


Vets who might come cheap
Eddie Jones, Theo Rathliff, Jason Williams, Ricky Davis, Webber

We'll have enough money to attempt to sign an all-star to the veteran minimum, and possibly enough money to attempt to sign an all-star with the midlevel exception. We missed the boat on picking up another all-star for the foreseeable future.

Nope, no chance.
Even if we don't resign any of our expirings we will be above 54 millions which I believe is over the cap. Add to that the picks cap hold and we're definitely over the cap.

At least that's what I understand now. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I'd love to be wrong :\

Nope were screwed.

From my understanding.. all we'll have to build off of is the MLE since we're over the cap and Drafts.

What i dont understand is how everyone thinks we're gonna sign dooling and Evans. how can they BOTH be had? They'd have to both take half the MLE which is like 2.5M each. Thats not gonna fly.

Don't we have their rights or something so they won't count as part of the MLE?

zuppafly wrote:Don't we have their rights or something so they won't count as part of the MLE?

I would have thought we'd have their bird rights, no?

That's what I was thinking. We can resign our free agents to the amount we want. The MLE and other exceptions are for new players signed.

Just looked into it..

since we'll be over the cap, we'll have the MLE, a Draft exception to sign our first rounder, and i think dooling will have Bird rights since he's been wiht us for 3 years.

-Resign Dooling
-Trade bogans for Cash
-Draft a Big man or Courtney Lee (if a big man, resign Maurice Evans or get Antione Wright)
-Sign a PG to the vet min

Wait, so to resign Evans we'll have to spend from the MLE? Can someone confirm this please? Capologists called to the thread, please.

mattyBoi wrote:Nope were screwed.

How many teams sat 3rd in their conference sign a max free agent back to back seasons?

zuppafly wrote:Wait, so to resign Evans we'll have to spend from the MLE? Can someone confirm this please? Capologists called to the thread, please.

Nope, we have the bird rights to Evans AFAIK because he is a veteran. We do not have to use the MLE to re-sign Evans.

So our plan should be to re-sign Dooling and Evans for the least amount possible, use our draft pick wisely, and get someone decent with the MLE.

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How many teams sat 3rd in their conference sign a max free agent back to back seasons?

well stated, we dont need to sign another ALL STAR we just need a pf and if FRAN will do work we may be able to just use him and not sign anyone, but still we could sign low pay power forward over the summer, we are not screwed.

The Evans situation is unclear.

It's not intuitively clear to me that we have his Bird rights, however, mhec has noted that a team that has bird rights is able to trade them. I believe this season was Evans' 3rd year with the Lakers, thus giving them his Bird rights -- which we acquired in the trade as well.

However, I have yet to receive confirmation from anywhere else credible, so I'm not fully buying it yet. Anyone care to offer an opinion?

About there not being a trade. Maybe there was more influence money wise than we know about? Maybe he was indeed nervous about having 1 PG and being screwed (though, God knows what happens if any of the "big 3" go down what we'll do, we'll have a terrible hole up front).

If Hedo goes down we got some major problems, if we move a wing up from the bench we negate much of the benefit Hedo provided as a starter. If we start someone like Foyle we're in a bad way because he's Foyle. Similar can be said for Lewis.

If Dwight goes down, what do we do? Start someone like Foyle and keep plying Lewis PF, or do we do the insane and play Hedo/Lewis up front?

Personally, we have alot of people who can at least masquerade as a PG if we traded Arroyo/Dooling/Jameer and one of the remaining two PGs goes down leaving with us with someone like a waiver addition to come in, or running a point forward type of offense with Hedo as the playmaker.

We should've made a deal today, I'm not distraught that we didn't but the logic in not doing it (being thin at PG) seems to be terrible reasoning given our even worse deficiencies up front if Dwight happens to go down.

We researched Evans' situation before. He was signed by the Pistons three years ago to a three-year deal. He was traded to the Lakers last year. So this makes the third year of his deal. His contract never was broken, despite his transfer to two different teams than the one he signed with. So the Magic have his Bird rights, too, as I understand it.

It seems like it would have been a good idea for the Magic to make some kind of deal that could have helped them this season and moving forward because they do have some holes on their roster and they are going to have to find a way to replace at least some of the players on their roster whose contracts are expiring. Probably the teams that they might have made deals with wanted a first-round pick in addition to the expiring deals. The Spurs gave up their first-round pick along with Brent Barry, who was their sixth man before he got hurt, to get Kurt Thomas. The Sonics are just stockpiling draft picks. I think they have like 13 first-round picks over the next six years or something like that. Imagine what it would have cost for Chris Wilcox because he has a cheaper contract, and it's not expiring.

Anyway, I believe the Magic have the MLE as well as the LLE (which is about $1.7 million per year, I think). And their draft pick. Plus they would have Bird rights to Evans, Dooling and Arroyo and limited Bird rights to Bogans that they could use to re-sign those guys or in a sign-and-trade if the Magic didn't want to retain them and some other team needed those rights to sign them to a deal.

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How many teams sat 3rd in their conference sign a max free agent back to back seasons?

Well this leads to whole different debate in its self.

Max Contract>>>Rashard Lewis

All of the Magic free agents would be available for SnT deals.

So you are saying that the Magic would have been the third-seeded team if they had not signed Rashard.

^^^^^Matty is saying whatever he thinks will annoy you.