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Post#1 » by MJallday59 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:40 pm

Honestly, I was a little upset about Otis not making a move but after thinking about it, I can honestly see his reasoning a little bit....He could have traded for Reggie Evans or Chris Wilcox, but in the long run I can would it have helped?? It's better to wait for the right deal as opposed to just rushing out and trading for Player A or Player B etc. just because everyone else is "trading".

It was never believed that we were competing for a championship this year anyway. I think Otis will re-sign Carlos Arroyo, Dooling in the summer and see what he can find in this years draft. I also think he wants to see how Battie will fit in with Rashard and if Fran Vasquez will ever come over and contribute. Do I buy into the fact that he loves JJ Redick so much that he won't be traded? No way! I think he's hiding the guy until someone throws "the right" offer for him. I.E - Trevor Ariza

To sum it all up, I'm actually glad Otis didn't do anything! To me it at least shows he is looking at the future as opposed to just focusing on the present. If the NY Knicks had that same mindset, they wouldn't be in their current situation.
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Post#2 » by bowen » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:06 pm

Although I'm not an Otis fan I have to agree. How much would Wilcox have helped us? Our biggest need is at the point guard situation. That's where we'll make the biggest improvement. Let's not get away from that.
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Re: Change of heart... 

Post#3 » by maginno » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:22 pm

MJallday59 wrote: It's better to wait for the right deal as opposed to just rushing out and trading for Player A or Player B etc. just because everyone else is "trading".



Don't think you understand what has a lot of people ticked. You can't wait to the right deal for expirings. You have to go our and find it. Second our draft pick will probably be in the 20s. The chances of finding a starting power forward rookie are slim and none.

Most important to me having no other Big but Battie was Otis' grand plan. He was obliged to fix it not to sit down and say "I like this team".
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Post#4 » by TooNice00 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:29 pm

some people are just freaking out as if we missed our chance to get a superstar or something. its wilcox and haslem people and thats even if they were availabe for the right deal. really haslem and wilcox are extremely overrated. wilcox is kinda dumb if you watch him and haslem only has a name for himself because he played with shaq. these type of players are not once in a life time opportunities. every year there is pratically another one late in the draft and in free agency for the mle.
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Post#5 » by maginno » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:48 pm

TooNice00 wrote: really haslem and wilcox are extremely overrated....... and haslem only has a name for himself because he played with shaq.

Wow. You know absolutely nothing about Haslem
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Post#6 » by The Letter J » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:49 pm

It's not about not landing a Wilcox/Haslem type guy. It's more about not landing a big at all. Otis didn't need to stop the presses, he just needed to shore up our roster at one spot with a decent big. Instead we got nothing.
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Post#7 » by TooNice00 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:53 pm

maginno wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


Wow. You know absolutely nothing about Haslem


haslem is ok but he isn't that good. really no one would no who he is if it wasn't for shaq
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Post#8 » by bowen » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:02 pm

I think Haslem would have been a great addition but do you really think that Riley was going to trade him to Orlando for some expirings and JJ? He wouldn't let SVG come here without asking for something in return.

We need a point guard!!!!!!
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Post#9 » by knappy » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:17 pm

TooNice00 wrote:some people are just freaking out as if we missed our chance to get a superstar or something. its wilcox and haslem people and thats even if they were availabe for the right deal. really haslem and wilcox are extremely overrated. wilcox is kinda dumb if you watch him and haslem only has a name for himself because he played with shaq. these type of players are not once in a life time opportunities. every year there is pratically another one late in the draft and in free agency for the mle.


You forgot to add this piece ... It's Wilcox and Haslem people we would have had to give up the likes of Garrity, Arroyo and JJ. Our contracts now expire and are worthless. Yes we would have had a chance to compete with any team in the NBA with one of those guys or Kurt Thomas, but hey we are 12 games over 500 and we didn't get to the 2nd round last year. The 2nd round is good. Throwing away assets to make you a contender - no problem we were better than last year.

This non-move will prevent us from competing with the top tier this year and next year - no problem we will have a winning record and get to the 2nd round again next year.

...... We were going for a solid piece - Wilcox would have been a solid piece - we weren't looking for a superstar. Instead we once again throw away assets - we don't get to keep the expirings next year and they do us no good expiring with us.
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Post#10 » by knappy » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:19 pm

TooNice00 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



haslem is ok but he isn't that good. really no one would no who he is if it wasn't for shaq



You really aren't as dumb as you sound are you. We weren't looking for a Tim Duncan (Shaq sucks). We were looking for a guy like Wilcox - I don't think Miami would trade us Haslem. Seattle would have given us a fair trade - or a Kurt Thomas would have been fine.

You really should stop making comments on this - you don't really believe what you are saying do you? Are you friends with Otis? PITIFUL is all I can say - don't defend Idiocy.
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Post#11 » by mhectorgato » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:24 pm

TooNice00 wrote:haslem is ok but he isn't that good. really no one would no who he is if it wasn't for shaq


Well, he'd be playing next to the most Shaq-like player not named The Big Egotistical.
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Re: Change of heart... 

Post#12 » by magictreat » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:24 pm

MJallday59 wrote:Honestly, I was a little upset about Otis not making a move but after thinking about it, I can honestly see his reasoning a little bit....He could have traded for Reggie Evans or Chris Wilcox, but in the long run I can would it have helped?? It's better to wait for the right deal as opposed to just rushing out and trading for Player A or Player B etc. just because everyone else is "trading".

It was never believed that we were competing for a championship this year anyway. I think Otis will re-sign Carlos Arroyo, Dooling in the summer and see what he can find in this years draft. I also think he wants to see how Battie will fit in with Rashard and if Fran Vasquez will ever come over and contribute. Do I buy into the fact that he loves JJ Redick so much that he won't be traded? No way! I think he's hiding the guy until someone throws "the right" offer for him. I.E - Trevor Ariza

To sum it all up, I'm actually glad Otis didn't do anything! To me it at least shows he is looking at the future as opposed to just focusing on the present. If the NY Knicks had that same mindset, they wouldn't be in their current situation.
And the APOLOGISTS for Otis are surfacing, lol, what else can you do? after been royally screwed, just to say I liked it, lol
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Post#13 » by Max Power » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:32 pm

I wish we had made a small move, and I'll disagree for now on the pg situation. I pretty much consider Hedo our PG anyway. We needed to give Dwight some real help up front. He's all alone up there. Foyle is good spelling him for 5 minutes at a time, but we need more. As the playoffs arrive we'll really be bummed that Otis didn't at least make a small deal to bring in some depth.
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Post#14 » by Shishnizzle » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:41 pm

bowen wrote:I think Haslem would have been a great addition but do you really think that Riley was going to trade him to Orlando for some expirings and JJ? He wouldn't let SVG come here without asking for something in return.

We need a point guard!!!!!!


Leave it to the ball boy to own all. Most of the Otis hate stems from the people who had an irrational idea of what we were going to get for nothing. Look at what the Spurs had to give up for Thomas. We would have had to give up substantially more to get Wilcox or haslem. Plus if we make a trade now then we won't be using the mle because we will be looking to stay out of the luxery tax. Now we have the mle, but you say we still would have had it. We would'nt be using it if it put us into the luxery.
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Post#15 » by magicman123 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:50 pm

i wasnt looking for a huge trade, i was looking for otis to sum up a need or two, specially a big..foyle has kwame hands, and cook is soft as a baby's butt...i still dont think otis will sign arroyo, whats the point? he isnt in the rotation right now anyways and makes 4mill, id rather have dooling
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Post#16 » by cedric76 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:01 pm

i'm happy with otis job

let see what he does this summer

-draft a PG
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-let go arroyo+pat
-try to bring over fran

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Post#17 » by TooNice00 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:02 pm

knappy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




You really aren't as dumb as you sound are you. We weren't looking for a Tim Duncan (Shaq sucks). We were looking for a guy like Wilcox - I don't think Miami would trade us Haslem. Seattle would have given us a fair trade - or a Kurt Thomas would have been fine.

You really should stop making comments on this - you don't really believe what you are saying do you? Are you friends with Otis? PITIFUL is all I can say - don't defend Idiocy.


people act like we missed the chance to land a duncan. its haslem. he is good but it isn't like you can't obtain a player like him. there are plenty of solid powerforwards that do what haslem does or wilcox. giving up draft picks plus jj redick and expirings is not the way to go about obtaining medicore powerforwards. i would like to have haslem and wilcox but you don't go out of your way to get them by forfeiting money, picks, and "young talent." and people need to get out of the mind set that haslem is the missing piece for us to contend or challenge the top teams in the east. its not. haslem isn't gonna make the difference between any team being a contender or even competing with the bostons or detroits.
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Post#18 » by mhectorgato » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:08 pm

TooNice00 wrote:people act like we missed the chance to land a duncan. its haslem. he is good but it isn't like you can't obtain a player like him. there are plenty of solid powerforwards that do what haslem does or wilcox. giving up draft picks plus jj redick and expirings is not the way to go about obtaining medicore powerforwards. i would like to have haslem and wilcox but you don't go out of your way to get them by forfeiting money, picks, and "young talent." and people need to get out of the mind set that haslem is the missing piece for us to contend or challenge the top teams in the east. its not. haslem isn't gonna make the difference between any team being a contender or even competing with the bostons or detroits.


Our only option now for picking a PF - mediocre or better - them up now is MLE, LLE.

This is my new assumption because of Otis steadfast position of not trading pick(s) & JJ.

So we only will have Hedo to trade, but I don't think that will happen.
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Post#19 » by TooNice00 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:13 pm

haslem is basically getting paid mle money. so its not like it is impossible to get someone like him.
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Post#20 » by mhectorgato » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:18 pm

TooNice00 wrote:haslem is basically getting paid mle money. so its not like it is impossible to get someone like him.


So we use the MLE to fill one position. I've got no problem with that.

How many needs to do we have though? What other means do we have available to us in the future to fill them?

We had an opportunity to fill one need now, and then another in the off-season with the MLE.
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