new building coming just at the right time.....

magicorlando · Post #1 » by **magicorlando** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:06 pm

with the emerging Magic core coming around as a good solid squad, it should help the cause for the new arena

Magicalltheway · Post #2 » by **Magicalltheway** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:59 pm

wow, I say next year we will conquer the East and 2010 we take the Championship in the first year of the new building.

Post #3 » by **MagicMadness** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:45 pm

And then after a few years, the Magic will begin to decline, people will laugh at fans who wear Magic gear, and attendance will be towards the bottom!

I love our community. :nod:

Edit: Fans are like this in most sports towns. Please don't take my comments personally/seriously. - MM

NEM · Post #4 » by **NEM** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:09 pm

spurs won it when their new building opened, as did the lakers...why not us??

MrOrlando · Post #5 » by **MrOrlando** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:17 pm

MagicMadness wrote:And then after a few years, the Magic will begin to decline, people will laugh at fans who wear Magic gear, and attendance will be towards the bottom!

I love our community.

Edit: Fans are like this in most sports towns. Please don't take my comments personally/seriously. - MM

To be perfectly honest ..in Texas I've never had one person dog another for wearing their hometown jersey even if the team currently sucked. The only time you would get that is if someone was wearing a throwback Olajuwon jersey to San Antonio or something =)

drsd · Post #6 » by **drsd** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:18 pm

Well, given that each seat cost more money, and there are more total seats, for the Magic to have sell outs, they need a better than average product.

But when the next crash comes, perhaps in 12-15 years, the "new" arena will become a burden.

It amazes me that a half billion dollar building will have an expected life-span of only 20 years.

Kent · Post #7 » by **Kent** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:23 pm

drsd wrote:Well, given that each seat cost more money, and there are more total seats, for the Magic to have sell outs, they need a better than average product.

But when the next crash comes, perhaps in 12-15 years, the "new" arena will become a burden.

It amazes me that a half billion dollar building will have an expected life-span of only 20 years.

I see what you're saying, but in 12-15 years, a comparable new arena would cost way more than a half billion dollars, so let's be glad we did it now rather than later.

cwas2882 · Post #8 » by **cwas2882** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:42 pm

Kent wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I see what you're saying, but in 12-15 years, a comparable new arena would cost way more than a half billion dollars, so let's be glad we did it now rather than later.

Yeah, but in 20 years, we're going to be damning the "old" arena and wishing we had constructed a new one 8 years ago, when it was cheaper

Post #9 » by **MagicMadness** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:58 pm

NBA arenas have such seemingly short lifespans, even though they're enclosed.

Baseball/football stadiums have LONG lifespans, and they're open and exposed to weather. Kind of weird.

Kent · Post #10 » by **Kent** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:02 pm

cwas2882 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah, but in 20 years, we're going to be damning the "old" arena and wishing we had constructed a new one 8 years ago, when it was cheaper

You're right. But I seemingly remember them saying that this arena is going to be built to be "upgradeable," rather than just "replaceable" after however long.

MagicMadness wrote:NBA arenas have such seemingly short lifespans, even though they're enclosed.

Baseball/football stadiums have LONG lifespans, and they're open and exposed to weather. Kind of weird.

That's funny.

Post #11 » by **SS_MagicMark** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:48 pm

So if the Magic were forward-thinking, they would build an open-air basketball stadium & be done with in. Maybe throw in some chain nets to set the mood.

Post #12 » by **MagicMadness** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:57 pm

Amway Arena is less than 20 years but "OMG ITS OLD!!!"

It wouldn't even be legally allowed to drink yet. Stadiums > Arenas

Post #13 » by **ORL** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:47 pm

Thing about Amway (and the old Charlotte Coliseum) is that it has no mid level suites. And that's despite being built after the Palace at Auburn Hills, which does have these suites.

Here's a writeup on the Coliseum, but really a lot of the same principles apply to Amway: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2889956

drsd · Post #14 » by **drsd** » Thu May 1, 2008 6:26 am

At least the NBA owners does not scam fans with PSL like the NFL does.

Can you imagine if Mr. Amway made season ticket owners from Amway arena pay around $1000 just to be allowed to get the comparable seat in the new arena??? That's what often happens in the NFL.

CourtsideTV · Post #15 » by **CourtsideTV** » Thu May 1, 2008 8:29 am

if they did that..and if i was a seasonticket holder..i would just wait until they stopped that 1000$ charge and start new season tickets.

drsd · Post #16 » by **drsd** » Thu May 1, 2008 9:45 am

CourtsideTV wrote:if they did that..and if i was a seasonticket holder..i would just wait until they stopped that 1000$ charge and start new season tickets.

And loose your 50 yard line seats? Fans pay.

Gerhalt11 · Post #17 » by **Gerhalt11** » Thu May 1, 2008 1:32 pm

ORL wrote:Thing about Amway (and the old Charlotte Coliseum) is that it has no mid level suites. And that's despite being built after the Palace at Auburn Hills, which does have these suites.

Here's a writeup on the Coliseum, but really a lot of the same principles apply to Amway: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2889956

Thing about Amway is that it has no mid-level ANYTHING. You have upper bowl and lower bowl emptying into the same tightly-packed concourse. I find it ironic that in the past, the Magic have lambasted fans for not showing up, but when there actually is a sellout, it's a miserable experience as soon as you leave your seat.

Post #18 » by **MagicMadness** » Thu May 1, 2008 2:25 pm

Yep, that's the problem with Amway Arena. Basketball arenas like it, the Coliseum, and Miami Arena were built in the late '80s, right before mid-level suites and other bells and whistles became very popular and financially lucrative.

In a way, these arenas remind me of the new Comiskey Park (now U.S. Cellular Field) that was built in the late-80s to early-90s. It was built right before the "retro-classic" baseball stadium design that has since dominated the sport - however, this particular field has undergone changes over the years to make it more appealing.

Post #19 » by **ORL** » Thu May 1, 2008 4:02 pm

CourtsideTV wrote:if they did that..and if i was a seasonticket holder..i would just wait until they stopped that 1000$ charge and start new season tickets.

A lot of times you wait years to get in line for season tix. I know a friend that signed up for the Bucs in the late 90's and just last year got a call. Or in Green Bay, I think people wait lifetimes for them.

drsd · Post #20 » by **drsd** » Thu May 1, 2008 4:21 pm

ORL wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

A lot of times you wait years to get in line for season tix. I know a friend that signed up for the Bucs in the late 90's and just last year got a call. Or in Green Bay, I think people wait lifetimes for them.

It's about 25-30 years to get a season ticket via normal channels. What usually happens is that when a family is expecting a new member of their family, the fetus is placed on the waiting list, such that, said eventual person can enjoy a life of Packers football. This is a serious statement.