If detroit win the series in 5 games......

magictreat · Post #1 » by **magictreat** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:14 pm

IMHO, we already had a very succesfull season, what do you guys think???

cwas2882 · Post #2 » by **cwas2882** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:24 pm

We'd be one game better than we were last season. Hooray!

Should've signed Gerald Wallace and Darko

zuppafly · Post #3 » by **zuppafly** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:33 pm

zuppafly · Post #4 » by **zuppafly** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:34 pm

cwas2882 wrote:We'd be one game better than we were last season. Hooray!

Should've signed Gerald Wallace and Darko

No, we were 12 games better on regular season and did we get swept on the first round this year?
Your post makes absolutely no sense.

edit: lol, you should have wrote that in green font... you voted we had a great season :lol:

drsd · Post #5 » by **drsd** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:41 pm

Well, at one level, any season without a title is a failed season. So yes the Magic would be failures.

On the other hand, the Magic made MAJOR strides to the goal of winning a title. It is hard to see a slide for next year. And the Magic should be even closer to overtaking Boston and Detroit.

All in all, I am pleased with the effort if not the result.

J-Mezzy · Post #6 » by **J-Mezzy** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:19 pm

Well, we did improve 12 games and made some major strides towards
becoming a contender.

Also, we go down 4-1 to Detroit but the games were a lot closer than the series looks. A few bad calls by refs, Stan, and our players has put us in the position we are in right now, but this series was very close. The experience will help, I expect the ECF next year for sure

mhectorgato · Post #7 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:30 pm

There's no option for "both" - Ticked off but happy in retrospect.

In my mind we competed thus far in the series. We're a few mental mistakes (TOs in game 2 and missed FTs in game 4) from being tied or up on them.

There's no question progress has been made this season.

mhectorgato · Post #8 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:34 pm

drsd wrote:Well, at one level, any season without a title is a failed season. So yes the Magic would be failures.

As are the other 28 other teams in the league. There's just differing levels of failure - (Knicks vs Lakers) vs (Us vs Toronto ;-)

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Post #9 » by **MagicMadness** » Tue May 13, 2008 2:19 pm

I'll be disappointed not because we should have won the series (that was never the case), but rather because we couldn't even make it a 6-game series.

For me, 6-game series was always the minimum goal.

magicmamma · Post #10 » by **magicmamma** » Tue May 13, 2008 2:22 pm

When Dwight said, back in the fall of 2006 that he thought the team could go all the way, we discussed reasonable expectations for the Magic. Most felt the schedule would be:

2006-7 make the playoffs
2007-8 second round
2008-9 ECF
2009-10 NBA finals

We're on schedule.

mhectorgato · Post #11 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue May 13, 2008 2:46 pm

magicmamma wrote:When Dwight said, back in the fall of 2006 that he thought the team could go all the way, we discussed reasonable expectations for the Magic. Most felt the schedule would be:

2006-7 make the playoffs
2007-8 second round
2008-9 ECF
2009-10 NBA finals

We're on schedule.

We live in a world of instant gratification which many times serves to undermine schedules which don't produce the intended results quick enough.

drsd · Post #12 » by **drsd** » Tue May 13, 2008 2:50 pm

magicmamma wrote:When Dwight said, back in the fall of 2006 that he thought the team could go all the way, we discussed reasonable expectations for the Magic. Most felt the schedule would be:

2006-7 make the playoffs
2007-8 second round
2008-9 ECF
2009-10 NBA finals

We're on schedule.

Further, this appears to be GM Smith's schedule. A slow path to win the title provides a chance for long-term domination and a potential dynasty team. This progression could allow the Magic to be title contenders till 2015. And this is a reason that GM Smith did not unload for a trade this mid-season.

mhectorgato · Post #13 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue May 13, 2008 2:52 pm

drsd wrote:Further, this appears to be GM Smith's schedule. A slow path to win the title provides a chance for long-term domination and a potential dynasty team. This progression could allow the Magic to be title contenders till 2015. And this is a reason that GM Smith did not unload for a trade this mid-season.

JJ?

Arroyo?

How much has either of these players played in the playoffs? had we been able to get a decent experienced/veteran guard in return ...

maginno · Post #14 » by **maginno** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:38 pm

It all depends on how much room you see for improvement. Dwight can get better and we can get an MLE. I'm not necessarily disappointed by the season but in order to be on a schedule you have to have a way of getting there. To say we make the 2nd round this year ECF next finals after that is just talk. Easier said then done. if it where that easy all teams in the second round would progress that way. Dwight's improvement can only do so much. AN MLE doesn't provide a big talent leap. Battie is old and the year off injury is not likely to help.

Hedo is at the top of his game - not likely to get any better may in fact fall off a bit.

Shard is a nine year pro giving already what he can give.

Our guards situation by everyone's assessment is iffy. Jameer is up and down as well as our 2 guards.

We''l probably have to use the MLE to get a big but not one that will make that great of a difference at that price. and unfortunately we have no rookie's or second year players we are developing.

Sooo. It will take some work by Otis and Stan to keep the team up to even this years level much less to leap frog into the ECF with other teams making the moves we can't and getting better. There certainly is not a clear path of steps for this team to win a championship no matter how rosy we might want to be about it.

OF course strange things have been known to happen in the NBA. Of course if we decide to move Hedo and JJ we just might get back something that could change things but losing Hedo would be a blow so it wold have to be someone REALLY good.

Post #15 » by **eyriq** » Tue May 13, 2008 4:28 pm

Losing tonight would suck because I really think the difference talent wise between the Magic and Pistons is splitting hairs. What it has come down to so far is experience, plain and simple.

As for as my satisfaction with this teams season? I couldn't be more thrilled! Well, I could have stood to see Redick actually get worked in the rotation, but both Dooling and Bogans really stepped up their play so I don't blame Stan. I never thought Hedo would bust out like he has, and I really hope he maintains or even increases his level of play going forward. Lewis has stepped up big for us, playing the 4 well and contributing in all aspects of the game. Finally, Meer is showing us what he can do during these playoffs and I really expect him to build on that, while Dwight is officially a super star and will only gain in dominance.

This year the Magic were a top ten team in the league and they are obviously flawed. The corrections are simple and not out of reach, so not only am I thrilled with the season, I am confident that we will get much better as soon as next year. Stan is the Man! (Otis still has to prove some things).

mhectorgato · Post #16 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue May 13, 2008 4:35 pm

eyriq wrote:Losing tonight would suck because I really think the difference talent wise between the Magic and Pistons is splitting hairs. What it has come down to so far is experience, plain and simple.

As for as my satisfaction with this teams season? I couldn't be more thrilled! Well, I could have stood to see Redick actually get worked in the rotation, but both Dooling and Bogans really stepped up their play so I don't blame Stan. I never thought Hedo would bust out like he has, and I really hope he maintains or even increases his level of play going forward. Lewis has stepped up big for us, playing the 4 well and contributing in all aspects of the game. Finally, Meer is showing us what he can do during these playoffs and I really expect him to build on that, while Dwight is officially a super star and will only gain in dominance.

This year the Magic were a top ten team in the league and they are obviously flawed. The corrections are simple and not out of reach, so not only am I thrilled with the season, I am confident that we will get much better as soon as next year. Stan is the Man! (Otis still has to prove some things).

Cosigned.

Re the first paragraph - we're only a few mental lapses/mistakes from being tied or up in this series.

Post #17 » by **eyriq** » Tue May 13, 2008 4:40 pm

maginno, your post was actually semi sane so I won't get on your case too bad, but really man, how can you justify this?

Sooo. It will take some work by Otis and Stan to keep the team up to even this years level much less to leap frog into the ECF with other teams making the moves we can't and getting better. There certainly is not a clear path of steps for this team to win a championship no matter how rosy we might want to be about it.

Can you really not appreciate that this team is set with the BEST YOUNG BIG in the league? His development actually has everything to do with our teams bright future. We do not have a team of scrubs surrounding our super star either. We were 5th in offensive efficiency this year, and 6th in defensive efficiency (according to KnicherBlogger.net), so this is not a team missing any MAJOR pieces like you seem to insist. That is why everything you list as being insufficient assets to improve are actually more than enough. There is a golden brick road as it were to this teams improvement. I really don't think there is much that can be done to screw us up.

sportsrock37 · Post #18 » by **sportsrock37** » Tue May 13, 2008 4:49 pm

This question is invalid, because Detroit isn't winning tonight.

maginno · Post #19 » by **maginno** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:08 pm

eyriq wrote:
Can you really not appreciate that this team is set with the BEST YOUNG BIG in the league? His development actually has everything to do with our teams bright future.

I have never seen any player win a game all by his lonesome. There has never been a player greater than Jordan and he never won a championship on his own back by himself. Dwight is pretty close to being the best big in the league much less young. Thats why my expectation for the possibilities the Magic had was way up there above most on this board.

SO how much more do you think dwight does? He is ALREADY at a high level. Say his defense steps up and he averages five more points per game with say 4 or 5 more rebounds. That would be great but does that give us a break down the defense player when teams play him straight up that can. Does it plug the holes at the guard positions? Come on! putting g everything on Dwight to improve the team is too much.

o this is not a team missing any MAJOR pieces like you seem to insist. That is why everything you list as being insufficient assets to improve are actually more than enough.

Sorry thats nonsense talk inspired by enthusiasm with no facts. How can anyone rationally argue that we do not need a starting PF and how by anything logical is that not a major piece. Battie is a bench player on any other team. Come on. How can anyone say that out guard situation is set with Meer doing well for one part of the season, then dooling , then arroyo. Meer is up and down and a BIG question mark. and what of our two guards that are ALL bench players?

the recent history of the NBA indicates that you need a break down the defense player or players along with your big. We do not possess even one. You cannot use Dwight alone to spread the floor when the other team has personnel to play dwight straight up. thats what kills us with detroit. They can guard the perimeter because Sheed and company can go man to man on dwight.

There is not a soul that is not a magic fan that claims Boston's talent level is not way better than us and detroit is presently demonstrating - despite your weird apologetics of claiming three to one doesn't signify anything - they are better.

So just the raw facts - we still have major areas to improve.

Post #20 » by **eyriq** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:19 pm

So just the raw facts - we still have major areas to improve

Sorry, I must have missed those?

You crack me up! Let me give you a little scenerio for the Magic to improve next year.
Step one. Bring back Battie.
Step two. Sing a SG with the MLE.

That is it. Just with those steps the Magic would improve their team, and that means going from top ten to what, maybe top 5? There is a buyers market this summer for FA so maybe Otis pulls something out of his ass and we get Childress. Either way, we are on the way up, not down.

The Magic won 52 games. Fact.
They get their core players back. Fact.
Dwight is progressing at the pace of the all time greats. Fact.
Magic have competed in these playoffs, and may even still pull it out. Fact.
5th best offense. Fact.
6th best defense. Fact.
Super Star in Lewis :rofl:

Those are the facts.