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Is Hedo part of the Long Term Core?

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:04 am
by eyriq
The core is Howard/Shard/Nelson, all locked up for the next 5 years. Outside of those three lies the MIP, Hedo "The Assassin" Turkaglu. The question is then, do we trade him with the intent to move towards a more traditional lineup, or do we keep him and either play him at the 3 with Lewis at the 4, play him at the 2 with Lewis at the 3, or bring him in off the bench as our version of Manu. The choice is yours, let your voice be heard!

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:06 am
by magicfan4life05
I dont know man, most will say yes, some will say no, but the thing to remember is he's our biggest trading chip which is the most tradeable asset on our team that can get the most value back.

Ultimately, the choice is otis because he will have to make that decision.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:08 am
by 1eyedjake
I'd love it if he is but I'm just not sure that the two SF lineup is one that can beat the more physical teams in the post-season or win enough games in the regular season to get homecourt throughout the playoffs.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:09 am
by AdamTheGreek
God I hope he stays long term.

Yeah he had a horrible Detroit series, but he was carrying Rashard's load in the 1st Round when Rashard couldn't hit the side of a barn.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:09 am
by eyriq
magicfan4life05 wrote:I dont know man, most will say yes, some will say no, but the thing to remember is he's our biggest trading chip which is the most tradeable asset on our team that can get the most value back.

Ultimately, the choice is otis because he will have to make that decision.


Oh, you mean the choice really isn't ours? :banghead:

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:09 am
by mhectorgato
To answer this question ... you first have to figure what you can do without moving Hedo.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:10 am
by craig01
In Otis we trust?

Nah.......not convinced of that one by any means.

So, do we judge him by what he did, or what he does?

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:11 am
by eyriq
AdamTheGreek wrote:God I hope he stays long term.

Yeah he had a horrible Detroit series, but he was carrying Rashard's load in the 1st Round when Rashard couldn't hit the side of a barn.


There are a few young PF's that I wouldn't mind him being traded for, but out side of that happening, I really, really, want him to be locked up long term. :pray:

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:11 am
by AdamTheGreek
Oh and I voted Hedo at the 2, slide Rashard to his natural 3 and pick up a PF via free agency/trade. We'll get an SG/SF in the Draft.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:14 am
by eyriq
AdamTheGreek wrote:Oh and I voted Hedo at the 2, slide Rashard to his natural 3 and pick up a PF via free agency/trade. We'll get an SG/SF in the Draft.


Hedo at the 2 hasn't really gotten much traction around here, but I think there is a lot of virtue to that move. It would really come down to how good a 4 we can find with the MLE, or trade for with spare parts.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:40 am
by mhectorgato
AdamTheGreek wrote:Oh and I voted Hedo at the 2, slide Rashard to his natural 3 and pick up a PF via free agency/trade. We'll get an SG/SF in the Draft.


So we move Rashard back to his natural position and move Hedo out of position?

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:53 am
by AdamTheGreek
Hedo is mobile enough to handle most SGs and Hedo doesn't have a position.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:55 am
by KingDave
AdamTheGreek wrote:God I hope he stays long term.

Yeah he had a horrible Detroit series, but he was carrying Rashard's load in the 1st Round when Rashard couldn't hit the side of a barn.


Hedo had a pretty bad first round too.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:59 am
by mhectorgato
AdamTheGreek wrote:Hedo is mobile enough to handle most SGs and Hedo doesn't have a position.


6'5 vs 6'10 ... for the most part the smaller guys are quicker. Ask Theif about this when he plays ball with KeBo.

It would be easier for them to strip the ball. But Hedo would be able to shoot over, but that takes away much of his game. He'd be able to post up, but that's not where he's comfortable.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:04 am
by taruky1
mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



So we move Rashard back to his natural position and move Hedo out of position?


I think that's the lesser of two evils. On offense the switch won't bother Hedo one iota. Some of the SGs he'll still beat off the dribble, others he'll just shoot over. The question is whether he can play defense at that position. I think he can for the most part. There are a few smallish SGs like Tony Allen whom he he has no chance of guarding. However, Hedo's perimeter/one-on-one defense is a lot better than given credit for, and I think his length will bother a lot of SGs. In fact, and I think I will catch a lot of flack for saying this, Hedo would have been our best bet guarding Rip Hamilton. Hedo covered him pretty much one whole game in last year's playoffs and Hamilton had by far his worst game of the series, shooting like 30%. He couldn't shoot over Hedo. The SGs that will toast him off the dribble still have to get the ball over Dwight. I really think that is the lineup we will see next year. If it doesn't work, then you change things.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:05 am
by EasternMagic
i actually think hedo might be able to play at the two but im not sure... but you cant ship the guy man without him we wouldnt have gotten to the second round of the playoffs or the number 3 seed in the playoffs

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:06 am
by mhectorgato
KingDave wrote:Hedo had a pretty bad first round too.


His 2nd round wasn't very spectatular .. except for maybe 15 minutes in combined total.

I'm not trying to hate on him, but the regular season Hedo >>> post season Hedo.

Both SFs were, on the whole, sub par from what we've seen all year long.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:26 am
by taruky1
KingDave wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Hedo had a pretty bad first round too.


17.5ppg, 5.4 assists, 7.8 rebounds in the Toronto series. He shot threes poorly. What is it with the gross exaggerations by people. Neither Hedo nor Rashard was "pretty bad" in that series.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:26 am
by MagiChamps
It's hard to bash Hedo for the second round. He was guarded by PRINCE. I don't know if there's a better post season defender in the league. I'm more surprised that Shard wasn't able to do much against Mcdyess and Rasheed.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:30 am
by eyriq
I think that without Battie or Cook Hedo rotated between the 3 and 4. With those guys and whoever else he will rotate between the 2 and 3. So maybe it really doesn't matter where he starts?